Yorkie Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 I've almost completely detached myself from football since the Sunderland game. Having constantly championed the idea of keeping Pardew, I think I'm safely in the 'he's got to go' camp now. When I look at it, I had a bit of faith that he could turn it around - but the main reason for my wanting to keep him was that I didn't believe we could get anyone better. But we're beyond that now. Obviously it will have been discussed to death, but that match was utterly deplorable and resembles a defining point in Pardew's career here. The implications of that result are too great to support him any more, and that's beyond the fact it was a defeat to our biggest rivals. It was an astonishingly poor performance in every single way, to a seriously inferior football team in terms of squad personnel; the fitness, motivation, tactics and general performance was/is as bad as I've ever seen. The way these footballers are being wasted beggars belief. That was the proof of the pudding for me, we will only continue to go backwards under him - he's lost every scrap of faith from me. The only thing that has kept our heads above water is the sheer fact we've got an abundance of top 6 players. He should not be our manager next season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 That is exactly where I am right now Yorkie, after January and seeing our players coming back there was a glimmer of hope he could turn it around and I was happy to persevere but after THAT display on Sunday he's completely lost me. It's taken me until now to come back on here and articulate how I feel without filling the page with obseneties! How can a manager not enjoy any sort of success with this crop of players? I've a feeling he'll get at the very least until Christmas but if he's to be replaced we need to give someone a full preseason to get us going again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Cajun and now Yorkie! The sith grow powerful... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 I've almost completely detached myself from football since the Sunderland game. Having constantly championed the idea of keeping Pardew, I think I'm safely in the 'he's got to go' camp now. When I look at it, I had a bit of faith that he could turn it around - but the main reason for my wanting to keep him was that I didn't believe we could get anyone better. But we're beyond that now. Obviously it will have been discussed to death, but that match was utterly deplorable and resembles a defining point in Pardew's career here. The implications of that result are too great to support him any more, and that's beyond the fact it was a defeat to our biggest rivals. It was an astonishingly poor performance in every single way, to a seriously inferior football team in terms of squad personnel; the fitness, motivation, tactics and general performance was/is as bad as I've ever seen. The way these footballers are being wasted beggars belief. That was the proof of the pudding for me, we will only continue to go backwards under him - he's lost every scrap of faith from me. The only thing that has kept our heads above water is the sheer fact we've got an abundance of top 6 players. He should not be our manager next season. Reading at home was my tipping point, the Sunderland game was confirmation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Cajun and now Yorkie! The sith grow powerful... He's indefensible after that. Gimp... agreed. Reading was the closest I'd come to wanting him out but that result was a catalyst for a resurgence, and I'd still point to that game as the game that 'saved' us - even if we only sneak survival by a point. As you say, the Mackems game has just confirmed it. We're going nowhere with him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 What would the price actually be overall if we sack Pardew and bring in a new man, compen, contracts etc? I'm guessing it would safely be under £5m? Pardew's pay-off is a year of his contract. So even though the headlines all screamed out about stability due to his eight year deal, in reality it's more like a one year rolling contract. The (alleged?) one-year payout aside, do you think the Ashley regime would be too prideful to sack him having issued an eight-year deal though? I know they're not overly concerned with the desires of/stick from fans, but it'd make them look a bit silly to sack him having issued such a contract (though the silly thing was actually issuing the contract in the first place). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 I don't profess to be any kind of footballing expert, however I do understand the basic principals of pass and move, pressing the ball and man/zonal marking, all tactics that seem to elude Pardew. Here's one for the twitter thread, Football 101 by Alan Pardew. Inexcusable! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Pardew just never learns. Every match it's: - defensive, rigid formations - Attack with no more than 3-4 men at a time - Keep the defence back. We never push the defence up to compress play. We never have 6 men attacking at once like all the good teams do. We're predictable, awful to watch and lack any movement or creativity at all. Pardew is yet again pinning his hopes on Ben Arfa coming back and doing the work of 3 forwards so we carry a threat without sacrificing his precious defensive borefest setup. It's sickening to think that we're so reliant on HBA being in the side just to look competent in attack, rather than looking competent without him and looking excellent when he's fit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistle17 Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 He's very lucky to still be in the job considering Sunday's quite frankly unforgivable result. A lot of managers before him would have gone for that. I don't see what he's done to prove he deserves to stay on. People forget how woeful we were at times last season, too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deputy Dawg UK Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 i said in another thread i was pretty close to him on Sunday after the game..i made a comment and thought Woodman was going to slaughter me..AP did appear to be upset/concerned after the game but am not sure if he really understood the impact...i had had a few and maybe should not have said what i did ( Considering where i was) but felt I should let him know the reality Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Reading was my lowest point too, I thought we wouldn't bounce back from that but we (sort of) did. Sunderland was appalling obviously. I've said before that I wouldn't shed a tear if he was sacked, and he's done a lot things I disagree with. But my desire for another managerial circus is also minimal, so I would allow his achievements of last season to buy him another crack at starting afresh next year. Obviously if last season hadn't happened then it would be very easy to say he should be given the chop immediately. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto2005 Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Can't believe how naive I was after seeing the first half vs villa. I thought we were gonna be class from then on. How wrong I was Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 i said in another thread i was pretty close to him on Sunday after the game..i made a comment and thought Woodman was going to slaughter me..AP did appear to be upset/concerned after the game but am not sure if he really understood the impact...i had had a few and maybe should not have said what i did ( Considering where i was) but felt I should let him know the reality What did you shout? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Pardew just never learns. Every match it's: - defensive, rigid formations - Attack with no more than 3-4 men at a time - Keep the defence back. We never push the defence up to compress play. We never have 6 men attacking at once like all the good teams do. We're predictable, awful to watch and lack any movement or creativity at all. Pardew is yet again pinning his hopes on Ben Arfa coming back and doing the work of 3 forwards so we carry a threat without sacrificing his precious defensive borefest setup. It's sickening to think that we're so reliant on HBA being in the side just to look competent in attack, rather than looking competent without him and looking excellent when he's fit. Sticks with a defensive style of play but his side keep conceding goals, we have done this all season. Why stick with it for nearly 38 games when it clearly wasn't working after 15 games? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deputy Dawg UK Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 lol...It was not a shout but a comment blaming the manager .. wrong at the time and i wished later i never said it but it was an hour after the game and feelings were running high Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Can't believe how naive I was after seeing the first half vs villa. I thought we were gonna be class from then on. How wrong I was Then the second half kicked off Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Can't believe how naive I was after seeing the first half vs villa. I thought we were gonna be class from then on. How wrong I was I thought this after the Chelsea game Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Struggling to pick a player of the season this year. Can't think of a single player who's played to a reasonable level consistently which is a first. Normally there's one or two who excel but the entire squad have been consistently poor throughout the season. It could be the players but it's probably the way they're being managed. For every single player to play poorly takes some doing, it's certainly not a coincidence. There's a common denominator and it's called Alan Pardew. Just wish he wasn't here, he's a fucking millstone around our necks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Probably Ba if we're being honest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Probably Ba if we're being honest. Yep the only one who was able to remain consistent under Pardew's shit football some how. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Probably Ba if we're being honest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Cisse, but that tells you everything you need to know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Boss Alan Pardew has shaken up the training regime this week, using St James' Park as the base Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Alan Pardew could do with either a win or a convincing draw at The Hawthorns because the rank-and-file anger at the Sunderland defeat is strong. A number, a surprising number perhaps, of Newcastle fans would already have a car waiting for Pardew, last year’s Manager of the Season. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2310983/Something-Weekend--Michael-Walker.html#ixzz2QrJUtkoz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto2005 Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Alan Pardew could do with either a win or a convincing draw at The Hawthorns because the rank-and-file anger at the Sunderland defeat is strong. A number, a surprising number perhaps, of Newcastle fans would already have a car waiting for Pardew, last year’s Manager of the Season. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2310983/Something-Weekend--Michael-Walker.html#ixzz2QrJUtkoz The picture for no.7 would have been more appropriate than the one of pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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