madras Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 I think one of the positives with the way we sign players is, if Pardew went, we shouldn't need a transitional period with a new manager. I'm pretty sure Pardew has very little input into our transfers dealings, so new man would just have to work with what he's given as well. Then it's finding someone happy to work under those conditions. which is ? beyond doing more homework on players and being unwilling to pay more than we think we should i don't think anyone actually knows how we go about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 Well this thread is certainly one to lift some spirits. I've already posted my thoughts about Pardew many pages back. Long story short, whilst the season has been very underwhelming and frustrating, I still trust him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 We look for players we can buy rather than specific players we need. Yesterday I jokingly said its the equivalent of just giving a chef a random collection of ingredients and asking him to cook a great dish, but to be honest I can't think of a better comparison. Take Anita for example, why make him our only significant signing when we clearly had no vision of where he was going to play? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 We look for players we can buy rather than specific players we need. Yesterday I jokingly said its the equivalent of just giving a chef a random collection of ingredients and asking him to cook a great dish, but to be honest I can't think of a better comparison. Take Anita for example, why make him our only significant signing when we clearly had no vision of where he was going to play? i disagree. we wont pay over the odds for players and are prepared to wait. anita was obviously to play in the middle 3 when he's settled and in case we got a "can't say no" offer for tiote interesting people shouting about the need for a better centre half for cover but not for central midfield. i'm guessing they didn't want anita to be our only significant deal of the summer but if aggreements can't be made then so be it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 I think one of the positives with the way we sign players is, if Pardew went, we shouldn't need a transitional period with a new manager. I'm pretty sure Pardew has very little input into our transfers dealings, so new man would just have to work with what he's given as well. Then it's finding someone happy to work under those conditions. which is ? beyond doing more homework on players and being unwilling to pay more than we think we should i don't think anyone actually knows how we go about it. I think he may have been alluding to the fact that Pardew's got nothing to do with it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 We look for players we can buy rather than specific players we need. Yesterday I jokingly said its the equivalent of just giving a chef a random collection of ingredients and asking him to cook a great dish, but to be honest I can't think of a better comparison. Take Anita for example, why make him our only significant signing when we clearly had no vision of where he was going to play? I'm pretty sure if our chef was buying the ingredients he'd be signing Leroy Lita's or Shefki Quki types tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superior Acuña Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Poll started 23rd April 2012 How has Pardew done so far? 83% brilliant, 15% good, 1.2% okay. It seems ludicrous to me that he can go from that to should be sacked in 6 months, especially considering while we're no doubt playing very poorly, we're not exactly rooted to the bottom. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 anyone have that article with carver when he metions the hight % defensive training they do during the week? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Cant find original article, quotes are here though: http://www.dailystar.co.uk/football/view/221302 “Every Monday he comes into work having compiled a defensive report on the opposition. That’s his project, working with our video analysts to provide players with the best information. This week, for example, he will talk about Manchester City’s angles of attack, their set-pieces, their movement, as well as focussing on individuals. The lads will be made aware of Dzeko’s strengths and weaknesses, the best way to nullify Silva, Milner’s incredible work-rate, everything. That takes care of Monday to Thursday. On Friday it’s my turn when we look at ways to get at opponents. Put simply, Alan concentrates on how not to lose and I then find ways to win.” Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hydeous Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 With two days of the week concentrating on Europe, Carver doesn't have time to tell the lads how to win games. Mystery solved!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Does anyone else find it incredible that Pards doesn't do any offensive coaching? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 That's fucking desperate like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Even I find those quotes depressing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Why? We've got naturally talented attacking players, not so much with the defensive side. It's in Pards interests to make us hard to beat before making us an attacking threat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Why? We've got naturally talented attacking players, not so much with the defensive side. It's in Pards interests to make us hard to beat before making us an attacking threat. All your posts are the same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 never seen that before bit baffling tbh, although it explains why we're always trying to stop opposition playing rather than concentrating on getting at them ourselves Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 It's in Pards interests to make us hard to beat before making us an attacking threat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 It's in Pards interests to make us hard to beat before making us an attacking threat. very true, but he accomplished that last season or are we having to start off every season afresh making sure we are hard to beat before focusing equally on being an attacking threat ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 never seen that before bit baffling tbh, although it explains why we're always trying to stop opposition playing rather than concentrating on getting at them ourselves It wouldn't be the worse tactic against Man City or Chelsea. Unfirtunately it falls apart when it comes to the dross teams who we now find difficult to beat...because we're too busy worrying about how they might beat us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 It's in Pards interests to make us hard to beat before making us an attacking threat. very true, but he accomplished that last season or are we having to start off every season afresh making sure we are hard to beat before focusing equally on being an attacking threat ? I would imagine it would be dependent on whether the personnel has changed which is hasn't so maybe we should (or have, although it doesn't look like it) change the priorities. Not saying I agree with it, just that I can very much understand why he'd do it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 KK rarely mentioned the other team. [/canofworms]. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 It's in Pards interests to make us hard to beat before making us an attacking threat. very true, but he accomplished that last season or are we having to start off every season afresh making sure we are hard to beat before focusing equally on being an attacking threat ? I would imagine it would be dependent on whether the personnel has changed which is hasn't so maybe we should (or have, although it doesn't look like it) change the priorities. Not saying I agree with it, just that I can very much understand why he'd do it. i could understand it last season, i could just about understand it if we hadn't had that spell when he played the way many of us had been wanting for a large part of the season. i have no idea why he's reverted to it from the start this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Yeah last season fair enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 It's in Pards interests to make us hard to beat before making us an attacking threat. very true, but he accomplished that last season or are we having to start off every season afresh making sure we are hard to beat before focusing equally on being an attacking threat ? I would imagine it would be dependent on whether the personnel has changed which is hasn't so maybe we should (or have, although it doesn't look like it) change the priorities. Not saying I agree with it, just that I can very much understand why he'd do it. i could understand it last season, i could just about understand it if we hadn't had that spell when he played the way many of us had been wanting for a large part of the season. i have no idea why he's reverted to it from the start this season. Me neither, unless those big defeats we suffered last season hit him hard as it's his side of the game? The way we don't collapse this season when going behind is something that has improved or maybe he just wants to get points on the board to preserve his job and he feels grinding out points is the best way of doing that. Who knows? Either way, if still true it certainly goes a long way to explaining why we're so rigid going forward and poor at set-pieces. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 It's in Pards interests to make us hard to beat before making us an attacking threat. very true, but he accomplished that last season or are we having to start off every season afresh making sure we are hard to beat before focusing equally on being an attacking threat ? I would imagine it would be dependent on whether the personnel has changed which is hasn't so maybe we should (or have, although it doesn't look like it) change the priorities. Not saying I agree with it, just that I can very much understand why he'd do it. i could understand it last season, i could just about understand it if we hadn't had that spell when he played the way many of us had been wanting for a large part of the season. i have no idea why he's reverted to it from the start this season. Me neither, unless those big defeats we suffered last season hit him hard as it's his side of the game? The way we don't collapse this season when going behind is something that has improved or maybe he just wants to get points on the board to preserve his job and he feels grinding out points is the best way of doing that. Who knows? Either way, if still true it certainly goes a long way to explaining why we're so rigid going forward and poor at set-pieces. the big defeats were before we went more expansive apart from wigan and i doubt anyone expects him to,play that way in every game, unfortunatly he's been treating chelsea away the same as norwich at home. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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