Alan Pardew

[AyeDubbleYoo]

If preparation time is a concern, what logic is there in playing two completely different systems across competitions? Completely counter productive.

 

Fair point I suppose, but they are very different situations, oppositions and groups of players. It seems to happen a lot.

 

Do you not think it's fair to say preparation might be affected, or should we just be expected to cope perfectly?

[Lush Vlad]

If preparation time is a concern, what logic is there in playing two completely different systems across competitions? Completely counter productive.

 

Spot on.  I said this early on in the season.  I was hoping our Europa tactics were a sign of things to come.  Never materialised though. 

 

I know we're playing inferior opposition and the style is different.  But fuck me, it's a worry when most of our better football is coming from so called fringe players.

[Hughesy]

People seem to be overlooking that fact, Ian.  Quite clearly with the Europa League you have a lot less time to prepare for PL matches.

 

Didn't impact us in 2002/03 when we won every game after Europe.

 

So what?  The fact that it didn't affect us ten years has absolutely no bearing on how it might affecting us now.

[Guest neesy111]

People seem to be overlooking that fact, Ian.  Quite clearly with the Europa League you have a lot less time to prepare for PL matches.

 

Didn't impact us in 2002/03 when we won every game after Europe.

 

So what?  The fact that it didn't affect us ten years has absolutely no bearing on how it might affecting us now.

 

Maybe Pardew should learn something about what we did then.  Which was to play the basically his strongest team and formation in Europe and the League.  Has football really changed so much?  Imo it hasn't.

[Guest neesy111]

If preparation time is a concern, what logic is there in playing two completely different systems across competitions? Completely counter productive.

 

Fair point I suppose, but they are very different situations, oppositions and groups of players. It seems to happen a lot.

 

Do you not think it's fair to say preparation might be affected, or should we just be expected to cope perfectly?

 

We should be expected to cope or there was zero point in qualifying for Europe imo.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

People seem to be overlooking that fact, Ian.  Quite clearly with the Europa League you have a lot less time to prepare for PL matches.

 

Didn't impact us in 2002/03 when we won every game after Europe.

 

So what?  The fact that it didn't affect us ten years has absolutely no bearing on how it might affecting us now.

 

Maybe Pardew should learn something about what we did then.  Which was to play the basically his strongest team and formation in Europe and the League.  Has football really changed so much?  Imo it hasn't.

 

I agree with you on that TBH, I would just put my strongest team out in every game and replace individual players when I had to. But since every single manager in the world doesn't do this, I might be forced to admit that they know more than us.

[Disco]

If preparation time is a concern, what logic is there in playing two completely different systems across competitions? Completely counter productive.

 

Fair point I suppose, but they are very different situations, oppositions and groups of players. It seems to happen a lot.

 

Do you not think it's fair to say preparation might be affected, or should we just be expected to cope perfectly?

 

It is fair but I think Wullie is alluding that if we played a consistent style across both competitions then it would be less effected as the players coming in/out would still know their role in the team. Worry about our game not that of the other team (unless you're playing a top  draw team - which is rare).

[Hughesy]

People seem to be overlooking that fact, Ian.  Quite clearly with the Europa League you have a lot less time to prepare for PL matches.

 

Didn't impact us in 2002/03 when we won every game after Europe.

 

So what?  The fact that it didn't affect us ten years has absolutely no bearing on how it might affecting us now.

 

Maybe Pardew should learn something about what we did then.  Which was to play the basically his strongest team and formation in Europe and the League.  Has football really changed so much?  Imo it hasn't.

 

I would say most managers do it.  I don't think that somehow we stumbled upon a secret formula is 2002 that no-one else before or since has used.

[Guest Dontooner]

crap tactics , bad routines...limited imagination can't wait to see his interviews when we start loosing our star players.

[loki679]

Nobody is forcing us to play different systems in europe and the league, that's his choice.  If it's hindering our preparation then maybe we should stop doing it.  I'm a firm believer that we should work on our own game and let the opposition worry about us rather than preparing to shut them down.  How many times have we looked out of ideas, lost and disjointed when attacking?  That to me points to a lack of preparation in how we want to play.

[Guest neesy111]

If preparation time is a concern, what logic is there in playing two completely different systems across competitions? Completely counter productive.

 

Fair point I suppose, but they are very different situations, oppositions and groups of players. It seems to happen a lot.

 

Do you not think it's fair to say preparation might be affected, or should we just be expected to cope perfectly?

 

It is fair but I think Wullie is alluding that if we played a consistent style across both competitions then it would be less effected as the players coming in/out would still know their role in the team. Worry about our game not that of the other team (unless you're playing a top  draw team - which is rare).

 

I think Anita is struggling with this, he's being shifted from RB into midfield with different personnel around him and different formations.  I can only judge him once he plays a run of games in a settled side.

[Hughesy]

Nobody is forcing us to play different systems in europe and the league, that's his choice.  If it's hindering our preparation then maybe we should stop doing it.  I'm a firm believer that we should work on our own game and let the opposition worry about us rather than preparing to shut them down.  How many times have we looked out of ideas, lost and disjointed when attacking?  That to me points to a lack of preparation in how we want to play.

 

To be honest, I do agree with you.  The evidence is there to see that we are disjointed and look clueless going forward.  But, as I said earlier, the preparation that Pardew used last season worked brilliantly so I can understand why he might continue to use it or, at least, wanted to have continued to use it.

[Guest reefatoon]

I'm sick to death of hearing him moaning on about playing in Europe, it's really starting to boil my piss.

 

We are never going to finish in the Chamions League positions any time soon, so lets just set our goal for 8th every season then eh, since playing in the Europa is such a strain and getting in the way.

 

I just don't understand it at all, we are playing in Europe because we had a great season.  It's a reward for finishing in the top 7.  If you don't like it you grey haired magician, then let's aim for 8th! 

[nufc4eva]

Dragging out every fucking excuse now, think we've been down this road a few times before. He needs to stop making excuses and just man the fuck up. We could easily turn around results with some changes to tactics and not worrying ourselves sick about what the other team might do (West Ham and Swansea ffs). Add to the fact he has played more 4-3-3 in Europe than in Premier League with long ball in premier and not so much in Europe.

 

 

Starting to make himself look like a fucking idiot, if he doesn't stop with the excuses and actually try to fix it then I think we may be back on the manager merry go round with Dave Bassett coming in

[Lush Vlad]

“Coventry tried to pass and play football, but they got relegated. At Newcastle, we’re trying to mix it up.

 

“We try to play, and get forward quicker.

 

Bigi talking about our style of play. Someone else linked to NUFC that is hinting at us favouring long balls. Not sure we get forward quicker mind. The ball might, the players certainly don't.

[Wullie]

I think preparation time is likely to be more of an issue for Pardew than managers of other clubs at the top end of the league because he spends far too much time worrying about the opposition. For someone like Ferguson or Wenger, who simply coach an overall attacking game that applies 99% of the time regardless of the opposition, a day or two less training is just that. Yes they'll do their homework but that homework will usually be on where they can hurt the opposition instead of the other way round.

 

I would not be one bit surprised if the one day a week of attacking coaching is the one day that has been binned, in fact I'd be surprised if it wasn't. We certainly look like it has.

[Guest reefatoon]

“Coventry tried to pass and play football, but they got relegated. At Newcastle, we’re trying to mix it up.

 

“We try to play, and get forward quicker.

 

Bigi talking about our style of play. Someone else linked to NUFC that is hinting at us favouring long balls. Not sure we get forward quicker mind. The ball might, the players certainly don't.

 

True.  The ball takes no time to get there, but we keep our two banks of four well in our own half.

[Guest Dontooner]

“Coventry tried to pass and play football, but they got relegated. At Newcastle, we’re trying to mix it up.

 

“We try to play, and get forward quicker.

 

Bigi talking about our style of play. Someone else linked to NUFC that is hinting at us favouring long balls. Not sure we get forward quicker mind. The ball might, the players certainly don't.

Depressing true the last line...

[Guest reefatoon]

I think preparation time is likely to be more of an issue for Pardew than managers of other clubs at the top end of the league because he spends far too much time worrying about the opposition. For someone like Ferguson or Wenger, who simply coach an overall attacking game that applies 99% of the time regardless of the opposition, a day or two less training is just that. Yes they'll do their homework but that homework will usually be on where they can hurt the opposition instead of the other way round.

 

I would not be one bit surprised if the one day a week of attacking coaching is the one day that has been binned, in fact I'd be surprised if it wasn't. We certainly look like it has.

 

Also true.  Far too much emphasis is now spent on trying not to get beat instead of just going out to win a game.  Hate this mentality, it's so negative.

[Rich]

ALAN PARDEW believes too much emphasis has been placed on Newcastle United’s tactics this season.

 

Instead, the United manager feels being unable to name his strongest XI has hindered the Magpies’ season and explains why his side has not matched the superb start it made 12 months ago.

 

Pardew has had no problems facing the questions of the fans since taking charge of the Magpies.

 

With formation and tactics the talk of the city again this week after the loss to Swansea City, Pardew told the Chronicle: “Everybody is entitled to their opinion.

 

“We are trying to find a way to win games with a lot of our big players missing.

 

“Whenever they are in the team they will be stronger – whether you play 4-3-3, 4-4-2, three at the back or whatever system you want to play.

 

“Last year we did not have the problems with the injuries.

 

“We were playing all sorts of systems and winning. Nobody seemed to notice then.

 

“Of course, when you lose games it becomes noticeable and people think we should be doing something.

 

“Well of course, in hindsight that would make sense.

 

“I wish I could play a game again the day after when we lose, but I cannot.”

 

Victory against Maritimo tonight would be a step in the right direction and would almost certainly quell some of negativity coming the way of United at the moment.

 

Pardew added: “We cannot focus on that.

 

“We do not disregard it, but we cannot factor it in.

 

“All we can do is win our next game.

 

“Then a lot of those comments could look silly.”

 

Better luck in front of goal and more sharpness from his strikers would certainly help Pardew this evening.

 

Reflecting on the clash with Swansea, Pardew said: “I thought we played quite well with the team we had.

 

We were a little bit naïve once we conceded the first goal, but that was because we had a lot of inexperience on the pitch.

 

“We started bombing forward again and trying to get the goal back quickly.

 

“Up until the opening goal we looked like the better side against a good team, by the way.

 

“We should have taken the lead.

 

“I think we would have won if we had scored the first goal although it is easy to say now.”

 

Pardew suggested he would resist the temptation to unleash Hatem Ben Arfa in the Europa League tonight and feels his sharpness in the Premier League is a result of resting him on continental nights.

 

He added: “If we had a fans vote he would probably be our player of the season so far.

 

“It might be because he has sat all of these games out.

 

“That might be something to do with it.”

 

Pardew has also confirmed Yohan Cabaye will go under the knife for a groin operation.

 

He said: “He will have an operation, and we think it is going to be on Friday or Monday.”

 

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/newcastle-united/nufc-news/2012/11/22/stars-are-a-big-miss-admits-newcastle-united-boss-72703-32283074/#ixzz2Cwr3EpQh

 

aln pls

[hakka]

Have a word Pardew.

[Guest firetotheworks]

The thing that's horrible now is that he has his excuses lined up before a match. What kind of message does that send, ffs? Even if you think it, don't say it.

 

As for the Roeder comparison. We played poorly that second season under Roeder, but tbf to him, we really did have really bad injury problems that season. It was insane.

 

Pardew's injury woes aren't a patch on Roeder's, and he's a better manager.

[Guest reefatoon]

The thing that's horrible now is that he has his excuses lined up before a match. What kind of message does that send, ffs? Even if you think it, don't say it.

 

As for the Roeder comparison. We played poorly that second season under Roeder, but tbf to him, we really did have really bad injury problems that season. It was insane.

 

Pardew's injury woes aren't a patch on Roeder's, and he's a better manager.

 

He is starting to sound more and more like Souness in every interview.  Souness always had ready made up excuses BEFORE games, it was like he was already covering his back before the usual defeat came. 

[Lush Vlad]

“We were playing all sorts of systems and winning. Nobody seemed to notice then."

 

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/newcastle-united/nufc-news/2012/11/22/stars-are-a-big-miss-admits-newcastle-united-boss-72703-32283074/#ixzz2Cwr3EpQh

 

aln pls

 

He clearly reads the forum an twitter I reckon he's trying so hard to disprove anything we are saying!

 

Probably has Carver taking notes from fans in the pubs as well.

[Rich]

I've expanded it because there was a lot more twaddle that followed. Hope he can turn it around, but as someone who has never been entirely sold on him in terms of his philosophy (think everyone now realises he talks a far better game than he plays) I'm not sure if we'll do it with pretty football if it does happen.