Zero Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Oh wait, just curious, would there be "a right sub" if there's no "a wrong starting lineup"? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 No one could have predicted Shola to come on and play as well as he did. Same really of Obertan. Marveaux still should have been on much earlier (should have started tbh). At the time the first round of subs was made, they were awful. Pards got lucky. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Giving Pardew credit for the subs today is like giving McClaren credit for bringing on strikers when he was a couple of goals down in the Europa with Boro (against Basel/Bucharest?). It's not tactical nous, it's fucking desperation. It's exhausting all other alternatives. It's Obertan getting injured last season which allowed HBA to finally start some fucking games. He's as much of a tactical moron as he ever has been. Can't disagree with any of that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 To be fair, Obertan's a much better option than Jonas these days and it was obvious we'd improve after that change. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 To be fair, Obertan's a much better option than Jonas these days and it was obvious we'd improve after that change. I was relieved to see Obertan come on today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Shola is always a desperate throw of the dice. For every 9 times out of 10 you throw him on he's useless. You never know when you'll get that one good performance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Credit for the subs but simply has to bring Marveaux into the fold. I dont like this Ba situation either, seems to me Pardew is clearly pandering to him. He either has to move Ba wide or just leave Cisse on the bench and have done with it. He's failed to get them playing well together and refused to move Ba left even tho it worked last season. So play either Ba or Cisse central and put Marveaux/Obertan wide beside either of them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 To be fair, Obertan's a much better option than Jonas these days and it was obvious we'd improve after that change. Even Fergie is a better option. I am serious. Jonas finally surpassed Williamson to be my weakest link in starting eleven and must be dropped asap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Oh wait, just curious, would there be "a right sub" if there's no "a wrong starting lineup"? There can be. For example, if the opposition change their set-up mid-game, which swings the game in their favour, which forces you to re-evaluate your own system/personnel and make a switch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 To be fair, Obertan's a much better option than Jonas these days and it was obvious we'd improve after that change. Agreed, just thought Marv should've come on before him even. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Pards is a lucky man tonight. Very, very lucky. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 got himself out of jail today. For all we're grateful to Shola, anyone that claims they wanted him on for Cisse at that point is a liar. I'll hold my hands up because I was livid he was taking Cisse off so early. Slightly concerned that he'll see this as an opportunity to start Shola ahead of Cisse now though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Have to say some people on here seem to have developed a pathological hatred of Pardew. The 3 subs he made today swung the game in our favour so I'm stunned to come on here and see some people rubbishing him as a manager. After the first subs on 60 mins there was only one team that was going to win the game. Considering we've not actually won a game against a team playing with 11 men for almost 2 months we did exactly what we needed to do today. Never looked like conceeding and then went for them in the last 30 minutes. Not brilliant stuff but efficient and effective. Would I like us to have been sharper in the first hour? Yes. But considering the low base we're coming from today was a step forward and Pardew does deserve some credit for that (in the same way he deserves some criticism for where we are in the league). Well bollocks like. I supported him and stuck up for him but now i want him gone. Many reasons but the main one is the fucking dreadful long ball football we have had to watch this season so far (last few game have been better). He deserve everything he gets, just because he made good subs today ?. What after fucking up the starting line up, what about the dreadful play, lack of movement, poor crossing and the rest of the shite i just watched. He is proving a shit long ball merchant manager. I'm judging this over months and not just a few games by the way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Oh wait, just curious, would there be "a right sub" if there's no "a wrong starting lineup"? There can be. For example, if the opposition change their set-up mid-game, which swings the game in their favour, which forces you to re-evaluate your own system/personnel and make a switch. I see, got it, agree then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stozo Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Have to say some people on here seem to have developed a pathological hatred of Pardew. The 3 subs he made today swung the game in our favour so I'm stunned to come on here and see some people rubbishing him as a manager. After the first subs on 60 mins there was only one team that was going to win the game. Considering we've not actually won a game against a team playing with 11 men for almost 2 months we did exactly what we needed to do today. Never looked like conceeding and then went for them in the last 30 minutes. Not brilliant stuff but efficient and effective. Would I like us to have been sharper in the first hour? Yes. But considering the low base we're coming from today was a step forward and Pardew does deserve some credit for that (in the same way he deserves some criticism for where we are in the league). Wrong starting line up though. I agree - I would have liked to see Marv start. Amoebi was the player who had the most impact though and people on here would have had a meltdown if he'd started instead of Cisse (and I'd argue he's much more effective as a sub than starting). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 I supported him and stuck up for him but now i want him gone. WHo do you expect the board to bring in once they've sacked him then, which isn't going to happen anyway? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Is he getting stick for that? Only error was Jonas starting, other than that, I can't fault him one bit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Is he getting stick for that? Only error was Jonas starting, other than that, I can't fault him one bit. That is a major problem though considering his quotes about Jonas this week as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Is he getting stick for that? Only error was Jonas starting, other than that, I can't fault him one bit. Should have been Marv for Perch, as well as Obertan for Jonas. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Is he getting stick for that? Only error was Jonas starting, other than that, I can't fault him one bit. It was an extremely desperate throw of the dice that saw us beat one of the worst teams this league's seen in years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stozo Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Have to say some people on here seem to have developed a pathological hatred of Pardew. The 3 subs he made today swung the game in our favour so I'm stunned to come on here and see some people rubbishing him as a manager. After the first subs on 60 mins there was only one team that was going to win the game. Considering we've not actually won a game against a team playing with 11 men for almost 2 months we did exactly what we needed to do today. Never looked like conceeding and then went for them in the last 30 minutes. Not brilliant stuff but efficient and effective. Would I like us to have been sharper in the first hour? Yes. But considering the low base we're coming from today was a step forward and Pardew does deserve some credit for that (in the same way he deserves some criticism for where we are in the league). Well bollocks like. I supported him and stuck up for him but now i want him gone. Many reason but the main one is the fucking dreadful long ball footbal we have had to watch this season so far (last few game have been better). He deserve everything he gets, just because he made good subs today ?. What after fucking up the starting line up, what about the dreadful play, lack of movement, poor crossing and the rest of the shite i just watched. He is proving a shit long ball merchant manager. I'm judging this over months and not just a few games by the way. Don't doubt he's made some poor decisions over the last few months and needs to take his fair share of the blame. You've admitted yourself there though that the football has improved in the last few games. Also we played mainly only the ground for the first hour today and really didn't create anything. Would love to know who you think would come in and have us playing great football with the team we had out today - let alone put up with the fact that the board have near total control over transfers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Wow we just beat QPR. He's a tactical genius. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Is he getting stick for that? Only error was Jonas starting, other than that, I can't fault him one bit. It was an extremely desperate throw of the dice that saw us beat one of the worst teams this league's seen in years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest malandro Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Wow we just beat QPR. He's a tactical genius. QPR looked like they would struggle in the championship. Unbelievably bad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stozo Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Is he getting stick for that? Only error was Jonas starting, other than that, I can't fault him one bit. Should have been Marv for Perch, as well as Obertan for Jonas. So you'd have started Obertan after he's not played for a month and a half? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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