Wullie Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Tbh, I can't complain about the recruitment strategy. We've got some fucking great players and for peanuts too. The problem atm, as I see it, lies squarely with Pardew and his failure to integrate these individuals into a decent footballing side. At the end of the day, I don't think anyone can argue otherwise that we need a talented manager to manage this club - not just a man that can deliver results on the pitch, but someone that can 'manage' the owners as well. Really? I think it's fundamentally flawed. The manager doesn't have enough input and the players aren't being bought for what they can bring to the team but what they can bring as a financial asset. Example: Pardew clearly wanted to play 4-4-2 this season, our only signing was a midfielder who can only play in a central three. This is a good point Wullie, but in a perfect world would you rather we signed players to suit Pardewball or got rid of the manager and got somebody who knows how to use Anita, Cabaye, Ben Arfa, Marveaux etc? Do you really need to ask me that? But then you're just as likely to end up with a situation where New 4-3-3 Manager is bought a classic right winger who likes to cross and gets his boots covered in chalk just because he had a low release clause, and he still won't have a centre half because there weren't any going cheap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BONTEMPI Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Hope we get much needed bodies in and we'll see how it goes from there, but if that still doesn't address the shitty results, I don't see how getting rid can be any worse than sticking with him. We'd need a foreign coach to get the best out of that lot, as the english ones simply don't make the grade. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanegg Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 If form doesn't improve in the next few games, it's only a matter of time before players are going to start losing confidence in him (if they haven't already). Some of the recent subs/tactics (Obertan subbed at Everton, going 4-4-2 after playing well 4-2-3-1) have been baffling me, so god knows what the players must be thinking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Completely agree with comments made earlier today regarding instilling some confidence in the young players and his crap man management. His style and mentality is so negative when we don't have certain players available, this obvious lack of faith in the young players' ability to win playing football will come out in them no matter what sound bites he gives when in public. The lack of recognisable style is also unforgivable, what are we trying to achieve in the long run here? He seems to have completely gotten muddled tactically of late too, losing the basics that he seemed to grasp in previous seasons. Playing long ball crap in a 4-3-3 with no runners, no movement and a useless lump of a striker? Make up your mind man, instead of constantly swapping and changing styles and shapes every 2 seconds. I care that we lost today but I wouldn't be so annoyed if we'd actually given it a proper go, instead of letting fear take over and putting in an incredibly half-hearted performance as a consequence. They were like rabbits in headlights today, completely left hung out to dry by their boss. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Tbh, I can't complain about the recruitment strategy. We've got some fucking great players and for peanuts too. The problem atm, as I see it, lies squarely with Pardew and his failure to integrate these individuals into a decent footballing side. At the end of the day, I don't think anyone can argue otherwise that we need a talented manager to manage this club - not just a man that can deliver results on the pitch, but someone that can 'manage' the owners as well. Really? I think it's fundamentally flawed. The manager doesn't have enough input and the players aren't being bought for what they can bring to the team but what they can bring as a financial asset. Example: Pardew clearly wanted to play 4-4-2 this season, our only signing was a midfielder who can only play in a central three. This is a good point Wullie, but in a perfect world would you rather we signed players to suit Pardewball or got rid of the manager and got somebody who knows how to use Anita, Cabaye, Ben Arfa, Marveaux etc? Do you really need to ask me that? But then you're just as likely to end up with a situation where New 4-3-3 Manager is bought a classic right winger who likes to cross and gets his boots covered in chalk just because he had a low release clause, and he still won't have a centre half because there weren't any going cheap. Fine, but take that to the Ashley thread. In this one I really would like to discuss Pardew and what he's producing with what's at his disposal. Are you saying he didn't have enough money and squad strength made available to him to beat Brighton twice for two years running? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Consortium of one Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Pardew out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 I think keep him for the time being ( as sick as that makes me feel) and hopefully the returning players will see us through to survival and then he simply has to go. I will lose a lot of love for this club if he is our manager next season unless he somehow turns it around and we win every game for the remainder of this one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToonZA Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 FFS just sack the fucker and get it over and done with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Tbh, I can't complain about the recruitment strategy. We've got some fucking great players and for peanuts too. The problem atm, as I see it, lies squarely with Pardew and his failure to integrate these individuals into a decent footballing side. At the end of the day, I don't think anyone can argue otherwise that we need a talented manager to manage this club - not just a man that can deliver results on the pitch, but someone that can 'manage' the owners as well. Really? I think it's fundamentally flawed. The manager doesn't have enough input and the players aren't being bought for what they can bring to the team but what they can bring as a financial asset. Example: Pardew clearly wanted to play 4-4-2 this season, our only signing was a midfielder who can only play in a central three. This is a good point Wullie, but in a perfect world would you rather we signed players to suit Pardewball or got rid of the manager and got somebody who knows how to use Anita, Cabaye, Ben Arfa, Marveaux etc? Do you really need to ask me that? But then you're just as likely to end up with a situation where New 4-3-3 Manager is bought a classic right winger who likes to cross and gets his boots covered in chalk just because he had a low release clause, and he still won't have a centre half because there weren't any going cheap. Fine, but take that to the Ashley thread. In this one I really would like to discuss Pardew and what he's producing with what's at his disposal. Are you saying he didn't have enough money and squad strength made available to him to beat Brighton twice for two years running? Am I saying that? Er... no. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Tbh, I can't complain about the recruitment strategy. We've got some fucking great players and for peanuts too. The problem atm, as I see it, lies squarely with Pardew and his failure to integrate these individuals into a decent footballing side. At the end of the day, I don't think anyone can argue otherwise that we need a talented manager to manage this club - not just a man that can deliver results on the pitch, but someone that can 'manage' the owners as well. Really? I think it's fundamentally flawed. The manager doesn't have enough input and the players aren't being bought for what they can bring to the team but what they can bring as a financial asset. Example: Pardew clearly wanted to play 4-4-2 this season, our only signing was a midfielder who can only play in a central three. This is a good point Wullie, but in a perfect world would you rather we signed players to suit Pardewball or got rid of the manager and got somebody who knows how to use Anita, Cabaye, Ben Arfa, Marveaux etc? Do you really need to ask me that? But then you're just as likely to end up with a situation where New 4-3-3 Manager is bought a classic right winger who likes to cross and gets his boots covered in chalk just because he had a low release clause, and he still won't have a centre half because there weren't any going cheap. Fine, but take that to the Ashley thread. In this one I really would like to discuss Pardew and what he's producing with what's at his disposal. Are you saying he didn't have enough money and squad strength made available to him to beat Brighton twice for two years running? Am I saying that? Er... no. well what are you saying? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 I'm hoping Debuchy will do that likes to cross get boots covered in chalk job your alluding too.... Lord knows we need some width. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Tbh, I can't complain about the recruitment strategy. We've got some fucking great players and for peanuts too. The problem atm, as I see it, lies squarely with Pardew and his failure to integrate these individuals into a decent footballing side. At the end of the day, I don't think anyone can argue otherwise that we need a talented manager to manage this club - not just a man that can deliver results on the pitch, but someone that can 'manage' the owners as well. Really? I think it's fundamentally flawed. The manager doesn't have enough input and the players aren't being bought for what they can bring to the team but what they can bring as a financial asset. Example: Pardew clearly wanted to play 4-4-2 this season, our only signing was a midfielder who can only play in a central three. This is a good point Wullie, but in a perfect world would you rather we signed players to suit Pardewball or got rid of the manager and got somebody who knows how to use Anita, Cabaye, Ben Arfa, Marveaux etc? Do you really need to ask me that? But then you're just as likely to end up with a situation where New 4-3-3 Manager is bought a classic right winger who likes to cross and gets his boots covered in chalk just because he had a low release clause, and he still won't have a centre half because there weren't any going cheap. Fine, but take that to the Ashley thread. In this one I really would like to discuss Pardew and what he's producing with what's at his disposal. Are you saying he didn't have enough money and squad strength made available to him to beat Brighton twice for two years running? Am I saying that? Er... no. well what are you saying? Exactly what I said, that the recruitment strategy is fundamentally flawed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Tbh, I can't complain about the recruitment strategy. We've got some fucking great players and for peanuts too. The problem atm, as I see it, lies squarely with Pardew and his failure to integrate these individuals into a decent footballing side. At the end of the day, I don't think anyone can argue otherwise that we need a talented manager to manage this club - not just a man that can deliver results on the pitch, but someone that can 'manage' the owners as well. Really? I think it's fundamentally flawed. The manager doesn't have enough input and the players aren't being bought for what they can bring to the team but what they can bring as a financial asset. Example: Pardew clearly wanted to play 4-4-2 this season, our only signing was a midfielder who can only play in a central three. This is a good point Wullie, but in a perfect world would you rather we signed players to suit Pardewball or got rid of the manager and got somebody who knows how to use Anita, Cabaye, Ben Arfa, Marveaux etc? Do you really need to ask me that? But then you're just as likely to end up with a situation where New 4-3-3 Manager is bought a classic right winger who likes to cross and gets his boots covered in chalk just because he had a low release clause, and he still won't have a centre half because there weren't any going cheap. Fine, but take that to the Ashley thread. In this one I really would like to discuss Pardew and what he's producing with what's at his disposal. Are you saying he didn't have enough money and squad strength made available to him to beat Brighton twice for two years running? Am I saying that? Er... no. well what are you saying? Exactly what I said, that the recruitment strategy is fundamentally flawed. So are you complaining about the players we've bought in this recruitment strategy? Which ones would you rather we had not recruited? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Tbh, I can't complain about the recruitment strategy. We've got some fucking great players and for peanuts too. The problem atm, as I see it, lies squarely with Pardew and his failure to integrate these individuals into a decent footballing side. At the end of the day, I don't think anyone can argue otherwise that we need a talented manager to manage this club - not just a man that can deliver results on the pitch, but someone that can 'manage' the owners as well. Really? I think it's fundamentally flawed. The manager doesn't have enough input and the players aren't being bought for what they can bring to the team but what they can bring as a financial asset. Example: Pardew clearly wanted to play 4-4-2 this season, our only signing was a midfielder who can only play in a central three. This is a good point Wullie, but in a perfect world would you rather we signed players to suit Pardewball or got rid of the manager and got somebody who knows how to use Anita, Cabaye, Ben Arfa, Marveaux etc? Do you really need to ask me that? But then you're just as likely to end up with a situation where New 4-3-3 Manager is bought a classic right winger who likes to cross and gets his boots covered in chalk just because he had a low release clause, and he still won't have a centre half because there weren't any going cheap. Fine, but take that to the Ashley thread. In this one I really would like to discuss Pardew and what he's producing with what's at his disposal. Are you saying he didn't have enough money and squad strength made available to him to beat Brighton twice for two years running? Am I saying that? Er... no. well what are you saying? Exactly what I said, that the recruitment strategy is fundamentally flawed. So are you complaining about the players we've bought in this recruitment strategy? Which ones would you rather we had not recruited? I'd rather we'd recruited a centre half and a right back before this month but we were too penny pinching. We could have the best manager in the world in place but he'd still have been having to manage with Williamson and Simpson all season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Tbh, I can't complain about the recruitment strategy. We've got some fucking great players and for peanuts too. The problem atm, as I see it, lies squarely with Pardew and his failure to integrate these individuals into a decent footballing side. At the end of the day, I don't think anyone can argue otherwise that we need a talented manager to manage this club - not just a man that can deliver results on the pitch, but someone that can 'manage' the owners as well. Really? I think it's fundamentally flawed. The manager doesn't have enough input and the players aren't being bought for what they can bring to the team but what they can bring as a financial asset. Example: Pardew clearly wanted to play 4-4-2 this season, our only signing was a midfielder who can only play in a central three. This is a good point Wullie, but in a perfect world would you rather we signed players to suit Pardewball or got rid of the manager and got somebody who knows how to use Anita, Cabaye, Ben Arfa, Marveaux etc? Do you really need to ask me that? But then you're just as likely to end up with a situation where New 4-3-3 Manager is bought a classic right winger who likes to cross and gets his boots covered in chalk just because he had a low release clause, and he still won't have a centre half because there weren't any going cheap. Fine, but take that to the Ashley thread. In this one I really would like to discuss Pardew and what he's producing with what's at his disposal. Are you saying he didn't have enough money and squad strength made available to him to beat Brighton twice for two years running? Am I saying that? Er... no. well what are you saying? Exactly what I said, that the recruitment strategy is fundamentally flawed. So are you complaining about the players we've bought in this recruitment strategy? Which ones would you rather we had not recruited? I'd rather we'd recruited a centre half and a right back before this month but we were too penny pinching. We could have the best manager in the world in place but he'd still have been having to manage with Williamson and Simpson all season. But we got beat today by a manager with players far worse than Simpson or Williamson. Which superstar did the Brighton manager have to call on? I won't mention his name because it obviously offends too many people here, but I doubt his chairman spends any more than ours. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Those two players were also regulars last season pretty much also. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 A team beat what was basically 11 individuals today. Not rocket science stuff, but I what are we doing in training to make us look like a team, only the mackems match I seen it and that again is the least you expect from that game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Tbh, I can't complain about the recruitment strategy. We've got some fucking great players and for peanuts too. The problem atm, as I see it, lies squarely with Pardew and his failure to integrate these individuals into a decent footballing side. At the end of the day, I don't think anyone can argue otherwise that we need a talented manager to manage this club - not just a man that can deliver results on the pitch, but someone that can 'manage' the owners as well. Really? I think it's fundamentally flawed. The manager doesn't have enough input and the players aren't being bought for what they can bring to the team but what they can bring as a financial asset. Example: Pardew clearly wanted to play 4-4-2 this season, our only signing was a midfielder who can only play in a central three. This is a good point Wullie, but in a perfect world would you rather we signed players to suit Pardewball or got rid of the manager and got somebody who knows how to use Anita, Cabaye, Ben Arfa, Marveaux etc? Do you really need to ask me that? But then you're just as likely to end up with a situation where New 4-3-3 Manager is bought a classic right winger who likes to cross and gets his boots covered in chalk just because he had a low release clause, and he still won't have a centre half because there weren't any going cheap. Fine, but take that to the Ashley thread. In this one I really would like to discuss Pardew and what he's producing with what's at his disposal. Are you saying he didn't have enough money and squad strength made available to him to beat Brighton twice for two years running? Am I saying that? Er... no. well what are you saying? Exactly what I said, that the recruitment strategy is fundamentally flawed. So are you complaining about the players we've bought in this recruitment strategy? Which ones would you rather we had not recruited? I'd rather we'd recruited a centre half and a right back before this month but we were too penny pinching. We could have the best manager in the world in place but he'd still have been having to manage with Williamson and Simpson all season. But we got beat today by a manager with players far worse than Simpson or Williamson. Which superstar did the Brighton manager have to call on? I won't mention his name because it obviously offends too many people here, but I doubt his chairman spends any more than ours. Yeah I think the issue stretches a bit further than today tbh. Pardew's clearly doing an appalling job because being in a relegation battle, no away wins etc etc is shameful but don't kid yourself that with the players we've had missing (and more importantly, the players who've been forced to step in), the magnificent Gus Poyet - 9th in the laughable Championship, 4 home wins out of 13 games, that's less than Pardew btw - would have us battling for the Champions League spots. He beat Pardew last season too, then finished 10th. Woo! Get him in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 What Pardew has basically been telling us since about the start of December is we're not going to have a chance of winning unless he has his first choice 11 out there. He kept alluding in his interviews to how we will be stronger after January etc. Scares the shit out of me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Tbh, I can't complain about the recruitment strategy. We've got some fucking great players and for peanuts too. The problem atm, as I see it, lies squarely with Pardew and his failure to integrate these individuals into a decent footballing side. At the end of the day, I don't think anyone can argue otherwise that we need a talented manager to manage this club - not just a man that can deliver results on the pitch, but someone that can 'manage' the owners as well. Really? I think it's fundamentally flawed. The manager doesn't have enough input and the players aren't being bought for what they can bring to the team but what they can bring as a financial asset. Example: Pardew clearly wanted to play 4-4-2 this season, our only signing was a midfielder who can only play in a central three. This is a good point Wullie, but in a perfect world would you rather we signed players to suit Pardewball or got rid of the manager and got somebody who knows how to use Anita, Cabaye, Ben Arfa, Marveaux etc? Do you really need to ask me that? But then you're just as likely to end up with a situation where New 4-3-3 Manager is bought a classic right winger who likes to cross and gets his boots covered in chalk just because he had a low release clause, and he still won't have a centre half because there weren't any going cheap. Fine, but take that to the Ashley thread. In this one I really would like to discuss Pardew and what he's producing with what's at his disposal. Are you saying he didn't have enough money and squad strength made available to him to beat Brighton twice for two years running? Am I saying that? Er... no. well what are you saying? Exactly what I said, that the recruitment strategy is fundamentally flawed. So are you complaining about the players we've bought in this recruitment strategy? Which ones would you rather we had not recruited? I'd rather we'd recruited a centre half and a right back before this month but we were too penny pinching. We could have the best manager in the world in place but he'd still have been having to manage with Williamson and Simpson all season. But we got beat today by a manager with players far worse than Simpson or Williamson. Which superstar did the Brighton manager have to call on? I won't mention his name because it obviously offends too many people here, but I doubt his chairman spends any more than ours. Yeah I think the issue stretches a bit further than today tbh. Pardew's clearly doing an appalling job because being in a relegation battle, no away wins etc etc is shameful but don't kid yourself that with the players we've had missing (and more importantly, the players who've been forced to step in), the magnificent Gus Poyet - 9th in the laughable Championship, 4 home wins out of 13 games, that's less than Pardew btw - would have us battling for the Champions League spots. Wow...so now you're defending Pardew's record against Poyet despite the fact he's shagged us twice despite being a division below us and outplaying us with lesser players and a lesser budget? Fine. I would suggest you recommend someone more to your liking. Go for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NobbyOhNobby Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 They're both average managers - there you go Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 I couldn't give a toss about his record against Poyet. I'm more worried about his record against the other Premier League teams. What dd Poyet do when he came up against Kenny Dalglish in the next round last year? Oh yeah: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17001835 You're the one crowing for us to appoint a very average Championship manager. "He's better than Pardew" ffs. Wow! What credentials! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Love how Wullie is happy to slip away for one second from Pardew bashing when Poyet is brought into the discussion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 I couldn't give a toss about his record against Poyet. I'm more worried about his record against the other Premier League teams. What dd Poyet do when he came up against Kenny Dalglish in the next round last year? Oh yeah: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17001835 You're the one crowing for us to appoint a very average Championship manager. "He's better than Pardew" ffs. Wow! What credentials! hahahaha Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Love how Wullie is happy to slip away for one second from Pardew bashing when Poyet is brought into the discussion. Don't mention Solskjaer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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