The College Dropout Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 Thing is AVB's teams don't set up to counter, if any of you watched Porto in the EL you would see they were a possession team. He is just adapting to the players he has, long term they won't be anything like counter attacking. Oh and AVB is nothing like Mourinho, the two are polar opposites the only similarities they have is they both managed Porto and both happen to be from Portugal. AVB is more like Guardiola in his principles, i'm actually quite surprised he has changed his style to fit the players he has at Spurs but fair play to him for doing so as they probably would have struggled if he did. Anyway back to Pardew now? Chelsea didn't. Didn't watch much Porto. Spurs certainly do. Spurs where very strong at home under Harry. Better than they are now. they certainly knew how to break teams down Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dontooner Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 Thing is AVB's teams don't set up to counter, if any of you watched Porto in the EL you would see they were a possession team. He is just adapting to the players he has, long term they won't be anything like counter attacking. Oh and AVB is nothing like Mourinho, the two are polar opposites the only similarities they have is they both managed Porto and both happen to be from Portugal. AVB is more like Guardiola in his principles, i'm actually quite surprised he has changed his style to fit the players he has at Spurs but fair play to him for doing so as they probably would have struggled if he did. Anyway back to Pardew now? I have watched his time at Porto as well, they didn't had to play counter attacking football as much however his ball passing and retention style is pretty much the same. The only difference was that at Porto the league was much slower and allowed time for more possession on the individual, it was this exact thing that he had a hard time at Chelsea trying to set up the same way to play in the Portuguese League. However he has always being a more defensive 1st coach, working on the opposition attack before defense. Personally i don't see him being like Guardiola and Mourinho, He doesn't Value possession as much like Guardiola and doesn't play like Mourinho. its still difficult to tell since his style is evolving, at the moment its more Italian in my eyes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 Thing is AVB's teams don't set up to counter, if any of you watched Porto in the EL you would see they were a possession team. He is just adapting to the players he has, long term they won't be anything like counter attacking. Oh and AVB is nothing like Mourinho, the two are polar opposites the only similarities they have is they both managed Porto and both happen to be from Portugal. AVB is more like Guardiola in his principles, i'm actually quite surprised he has changed his style to fit the players he has at Spurs but fair play to him for doing so as they probably would have struggled if he did. Anyway back to Pardew now? I have watched his time at Porto as well, they didn't had to play counter attacking football as much however his ball passing and retention style is pretty much the same. The only difference was that at Porto the league was much slower and allowed time for more possession on the individual, it was this exact thing that he had a hard time at Chelsea trying to set up the same way to play in the Portuguese League. However he has always being a more defensive 1st coach, working on the opposition attack before defense. Personally i don't see him being like Guardiola and Mourinho, He doesn't Value possession as much like Guardiola and doesn't play like Mourinho. its still difficult to tell since his style is evolving, at the moment its more Italian in my eyes. Thought his Chelsea side was too attacking. Pressed too high. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dontooner Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 Well i would classified it more like trying to be attacking, as it was very none fluid. Since his Chelsea team was none fluid and leaked goals , he shifted to be more defensive and still it didn't work out well. As Fat Sam said , he learn the league and adapted since Chelsea, can't say the same for Martinz at Wigan, still trying too hard with his style it might end up in tears. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 He had a lot of political/personality problems at Chelsea as well, which is hardly surprising. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 Redknapp's sides do tend to play good football but its not free flowing stuff ala Arsenal or us under KK or Bobby, and they often put in turgid performances especially away from home. His Pompey side was extremely dull to watch at times for example. Redknapp is actually underrated as a tactician though, his sides could defend and shut out the opposition. He's a good manager is Redknapp but he needs a lot of money and the right environment for things to work. AVB as I've already said has a lot of substance about him, you feel he can succeed wherever he goes. Spurs play some very good football. At times against us they were like us under Sir Bobby, direct, fast and very dangerous either down the flanks or centrally. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 Spurs of this year have played no better than the Spurs of last year, pre-slump. At their best they had a very good Bale/Lennon wide, Modric spraying passes to them. Adebayor linking it upfront and VDV causing havoc in the whole. They did this for 9-10 games in a row. This side, as a whole, hasn't hit those heights consistently but are 3rd. scary really. Harry put togetehr an excellent counter-attacking team at Pompey. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 Spurs of this year have played no better than the Spurs of last year, pre-slump. At their best they had a very good Bale/Lennon wide, Modric spraying passes to them. Adebayor linking it upfront and VDV causing havoc in the whole. They did this for 9-10 games in a row. This side, as a whole, hasn't hit those heights consistently but are 3rd. scary really. Harry put togetehr an excellent counter-attacking team at Pompey. Unfortunately he counter attacked them all the way to bankruptcy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 Wait they're no better than before they had that slump? So he basically get's exonerated of a drop in form that cost them the champions league, and not one tied to an injury crisis iirc? Redknapp is a decent motivator who players like playing under cos they're given decent freedom. He can do alright, but also if he loses the team he doesn't offer much. Pardew is fairly similar, not great tactics wise, good man manager though. What turns Redknapp into a grade a w***** is his willingness to talk about buying other clubs players constantly to the press, and the press's resultant hardon for him. He also is apocalyptic in the signings market. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 Wait they're no better than before they had that slump? So he basically get's exonerated of a drop in form that cost them the champions league, and not one tied to an injury crisis iirc? Redknapp is a decent motivator who players like playing under cos they're given decent freedom. He can do alright, but also if he loses the team he doesn't offer much. Pardew is fairly similar, not great tactics wise, good man manager though. What turns Redknapp into a grade a w***** is his willingness to talk about buying other clubs players constantly to the press, and the press's resultant hardon for him. He also is apocalyptic in the signings market. The season's not over. If they finished 3rd, then aye they improved. At the moment, they're in the same spot as last year at this time. I think the England stuff and the court case stuff had an effect too tbh, as well as Redknapp running out of ideas. My point is, the best people say about Redknapp is that he's "decent" here, "alright" there when he did a FANTASTIC job at Spurs. Almost Sir Bobby-esque turnaround. Won at the San Siro iirc. But the team does the same thing more or less and AVB's the man? Don't buy it. FWIW, I think Spurs may win a trophy due to AVB rotating the squad more. Agree on the last point. Levy didn't like Harry's style in the transfer market and AVB will definitely be better in that regard because he prefers youngsters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 Spurs lost two of their best players in the summer, so if they manage third or fourth, I'd say that's a very good achievement for AVB. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 They also signed players... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 Spurs lost two of their best players in the summer, so if they manage third or fourth, I'd say that's a very good achievement for AVB. Dembele's been great. Sell Modric for 30 and getting Dembele for 10 was great business. They got Caulker and Naughton back from loan ready to push on. Signed a world class keeper. Dempsey, the Scouse german lad & Sigurdsson to boot. Vertoghnen has the potential to be immense imo. Stronger squad this year than last. They basically added 3 first team defenders to the fold. A truck load of central and attacking midfielders. Last year, they struggled for options when players form went. This year they have great cover in defence particularly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 4th would still be a good achievement fro AVB. Like it was for 'Arry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 4th would be a fucking fantastic achievement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 Was it f***ing fantastic for Harry? Who did it twice in 3 years. IMO the first time yes. The second good. Overall he done a great job. If AVB does 4th, it's a good job, target reached. 3rd? Great. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 Yes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 It's his first year in the job, 4th would be a brilliant achievement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 Was it f***ing fantastic for Harry? Who did it twice in 3 years. IMO the first time yes. The second good. Overall he done a great job. If AVB does 4th, it's a good job, target reached. 3rd? Great. I don't think Dembele is half as good as Modric was, they've also been short on Striker options. New manager, trying to mould new players into a new system, plenty to prove, i'd say 4th would be a great finish. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 So long as you're not rating an equal finish, as some kind of better achievement than Harry I have no problem. I hate double standards. There's people who have said AVB's been fantastic, yet didn't give Redknapp his due when they where up there last season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 I've always said on here that Redknapp is a very good manager and did a great job at Tottenham. They seemed like the ultimate flat track bullies (which isn't a bad thing) for a lot of last season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 Was it f***ing fantastic for Harry? Who did it twice in 3 years. IMO the first time yes. The second good. Overall he done a great job. If AVB does 4th, it's a good job, target reached. 3rd? Great. I don't think Dembele is half as good as Modric was, they've also been short on Striker options. New manager, trying to mould new players into a new system, plenty to prove, i'd say 4th would be a great finish. I disagree. Dembele is different but I don't think he's far away from Modric at all. Even if you think he's not as good by a distance. Modric and VDV for Dembele, Holtby, Sigurdsson & Dempsey isn't a bad deal at all. Same strikers they had last year. Without Dempsey to fill in. What about the 3 first defenders they've introduced? The world class goalkeeper? Would you take last years squad over this? 4th would be great, aye. That's their target and level of their squad. Any less would be seen as a disappointment and a underachievement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 I like turtles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 No. Put simply, we have the sixth biggest wage bill (IIRC). Therefore sixth is theoretically our level. Less than fourth would be a disappointment, of course, same as for any of the top clubs. Including Liverpool, amusingly. You can't say that it would necessarily be underachievement though, because there are so many variables. What if we get yet another critical injury (say, Lloris)? What if we have a player sent off again on Sunday? What if Arsenal go on a fantastic run? All I realistically asked of AVB was a solid season, signs of a plan both on and off the field, and a top six finish. In the medium term I want a challenge for the CL places every year, integration of the youth into the squad and the ability to challenge in the Europa if we don't qualify for the CL. He's managed that in his first season, when he was still arguably an unknown quantity in this league, and everything could have gone tits up. That's good enough for me. I'll judge him after at least one more season. Harry did a fantastic job, and I'm forever grateful, but I'm still glad he's not our manager now. I think a large number of Spirs fans share those sentiments, and a surprising number of other fans (and other Spurs fans too) seem to struggle to get their head round it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 Anyway, what do you think of that Alan Shitjew? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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