Alan Pardew

[Darth Crooks]

A freakish sucession of injuries is what we are experencing lately; it hasnt been the case over the course of the seaon imo. Too much is invested in that factor to hold weight.

[Guest icemanblue]

The argument about results vs performances is an interesting one. Ideally you want both, after that results obviously come first. Last season I'd say our results were better than the performances. This season clearly neither have been good enough. It seems though that for some people results are pretty much all that matter, which puzzles me. I watch and go to the matches to see enterprising, entertaining football and hopefully for us to win. Stoke are above us in the table and yet surely nobody would want Tony Pulis in charge, or Sam Allardyce again.

 

We were robbed of a point today, but that doesn't mean the performance was good enough.

 

I don't see anybody arguing that he performance today was in any way 'good'. It was what it was, a tired, disjointed performance, owing to a physically demanding game three days previously and a freakish succession of injuries.

 

What have all our other shit results this season been down to then? Are they all down to other factors? At what point does the talent of the manager start to overcome these factors or do we actually need a season like the last one where everything goes our way (bar one or two decisions) for us to have a good season? (or even a decent season?)

 

Another one!

[TRon]

I really don't know what Pards gets out of his tactics apart from a bit of safety (but even the goals against is ridiculous). Earlier in the thread someone was saying even the new players will go to shit after a few months of Pardball and I can hoenstly see that happenning.

 

It's upsetting watching quality players with good movement and drive get dragged down. It's no mystery why players beginning their career with us are looking the best players. Pardew hasn't coached their ability out of them yet.

 

 

Abolutely bang on. The best games Gouffran and Cissoko had for us were their debuts, now they are just sinking into the general ineptness of a standard Pardew team. I've never seen so many decent footballers look so bemused in possession of the ball.

[Parky]

I really don't know what Pards gets out of his tactics apart from a bit of safety (but even the goals against is ridiculous). Earlier in the thread someone was saying even the new players will go to shit after a few months of Pardball and I can hoenstly see that happenning.

 

They are coaching to keep shape and contain wth little movement and rask taking. The other night Jonas was stood regularly between our two centre halves waiting for their players to run at them. Adam Cambell came on and instead of being on the shoulder of their last man was sat deep wathcing the runs of ther right back. Against ten fucking men. People say what a good team they were and what a great result and they would be right. But blimey did we make hard work of it.

 

That was the one cross that was of any use and the man who can do it stuck it away. Given the opportunity. We are so dour and inhibited that when the fates stac against us like this with piss poor decisions; it only ever goes one way. I was a massive factor no doubt but we don't do ourselves any favours.

 

However we line up most of the game we play 451. I see gouffran and marv regularly in our half helping out instead of offering an outlet near or godforbid over the half way line.

One CLASSIC giveaway of his tactics is you never see him doing the PUSH UP signal that most PL managers spend half the game doing. Even in posession we very rarely go to more than a 7/3 -6/4 split and that inc an overlapping fullback.

Has any of our midfleders scored a goal from inside the box this season? I can only think of a couple.

[Darth Crooks]

I really don't know what Pards gets out of his tactics apart from a bit of safety (but even the goals against is ridiculous). Earlier in the thread someone was saying even the new players will go to shit after a few months of Pardball and I can hoenstly see that happenning.

 

They are coaching to keep shape and contain wth little movement and rask taking. The other night Jonas was stood regularly between our two centre halves waiting for their players to run at them. Adam Cambell came on and instead of being on the shoulder of their last man was sat deep wathcing the runs of ther right back. Against ten fucking men. People say what a good team they were and what a great result and they would be right. But blimey did we make hard work of it.

 

That was the one cross that was of any use and the man who can do it stuck it away. Given the opportunity. We are so dour and inhibited that when the fates stac against us like this with piss poor decisions; it only ever goes one way. I was a massive factor no doubt but we don't do ourselves any favours.

 

However we line up most of the game we play 451. I see gouffran and marv regularly in our half helping out instead of offering an outlet near or godforbid over the half way line.

One CLASSIC giveaway of his tactics is you never see him doing the PUSH UP signal that most PL managers spend half the game doing. Even in posession we very rarely go to more than a 7/3 -6/4 split and that inc an overlapping fullback.

Has any of our midfleders scored a goal from inside the box this season? I can only think of a couple.

 

He talks in interviews about having switched to all these formations and it doesn't match with what has happened. Its all speculation but I've seen little this season to say with any degree of certainty whether we would have got 3 points; refereeing decisions aside. We just don't attempt to attack with conviction.

[Dr Venkman]

The argument about results vs performances is an interesting one. Ideally you want both, after that results obviously come first. Last season I'd say our results were better than the performances. This season clearly neither have been good enough. It seems though that for some people results are pretty much all that matter, which puzzles me. I watch and go to the matches to see enterprising, entertaining football and hopefully for us to win. Stoke are above us in the table and yet surely nobody would want Tony Pulis in charge, or Sam Allardyce again.

 

We were robbed of a point today, but that doesn't mean the performance was good enough.

 

I don't see anybody arguing that he performance today was in any way 'good'. It was what it was, a tired, disjointed performance, owing to a physically demanding game three days previously and a freakish succession of injuries.

 

What have all our other shit results this season been down to then? Are they all down to other factors? At what point does the talent of the manager start to overcome these factors or do we actually need a season like the last one where everything goes our way (bar one or two decisions) for us to have a good season? (or even a decent season?)

 

Another one!

 

You can answer it if you want, that smiley doesn't really say anything. Or you can say that me, or HTT, or anyone else just say the same thing all the time to try and get us talking about posters rather than Pardew? Or you can misrepresent loads of people's posts,  such as suggesting that people want him sacked for a few bad performances that are down to certain circumstances?

 

Or answer the points made, or take a break.

[Parky]

I really don't know what Pards gets out of his tactics apart from a bit of safety (but even the goals against is ridiculous). Earlier in the thread someone was saying even the new players will go to shit after a few months of Pardball and I can hoenstly see that happenning.

 

They are coaching to keep shape and contain wth little movement and rask taking. The other night Jonas was stood regularly between our two centre halves waiting for their players to run at them. Adam Cambell came on and instead of being on the shoulder of their last man was sat deep wathcing the runs of ther right back. Against ten fucking men. People say what a good team they were and what a great result and they would be right. But blimey did we make hard work of it.

 

That was the one cross that was of any use and the man who can do it stuck it away. Given the opportunity. We are so dour and inhibited that when the fates stac against us like this with piss poor decisions; it only ever goes one way. I was a massive factor no doubt but we don't do ourselves any favours.

 

However we line up most of the game we play 451. I see gouffran and marv regularly in our half helping out instead of offering an outlet near or godforbid over the half way line.

One CLASSIC giveaway of his tactics is you never see him doing the PUSH UP signal that most PL managers spend half the game doing. Even in posession we very rarely go to more than a 7/3 -6/4 split and that inc an overlapping fullback.

Has any of our midfleders scored a goal from inside the box this season? I can only think of a couple.

 

He talks in interviews about having switched to all these formations and it doesn't match with what has happened. Its all speculation but I've seen little this season to say with any degree of certainty whether we would have got 3 points; refereeing decisions aside. We just don't attempt to attack with conviction.

 

I know now he will never drop Guti even if his legs fall off.

[Guest icemanblue]

The argument about results vs performances is an interesting one. Ideally you want both, after that results obviously come first. Last season I'd say our results were better than the performances. This season clearly neither have been good enough. It seems though that for some people results are pretty much all that matter, which puzzles me. I watch and go to the matches to see enterprising, entertaining football and hopefully for us to win. Stoke are above us in the table and yet surely nobody would want Tony Pulis in charge, or Sam Allardyce again.

 

We were robbed of a point today, but that doesn't mean the performance was good enough.

 

I don't see anybody arguing that he performance today was in any way 'good'. It was what it was, a tired, disjointed performance, owing to a physically demanding game three days previously and a freakish succession of injuries.

 

What have all our other shit results this season been down to then? Are they all down to other factors? At what point does the talent of the manager start to overcome these factors or do we actually need a season like the last one where everything goes our way (bar one or two decisions) for us to have a good season? (or even a decent season?)

 

Another one!

 

You can answer it if you want, that smiley doesn't really say anything. Or you can say that me, or HTT, or anyone else just say the same thing all the time to try and get us talking about posters rather than Pardew? Or you can misrepresent loads of people's posts,  such as suggesting that people want him sacked for a few bad performances that are down to certain circumstances?

 

Or answer the points made, or take a break.

 

Why answer it, man? You've got yourself all wound up, and you sound a bit daft. I'm 'misrepresenting' posters on a forum to deflect criticism from Pardew? Why would I, or anyone, do that?

 

Honestly, you've come online and quoted three of my posts in succession when I've left the debate. You're well aware of my position and thoughts on the matter (they're still pretty similar to the 6 months). This is bizarre.

[Dr Venkman]

The argument about results vs performances is an interesting one. Ideally you want both, after that results obviously come first. Last season I'd say our results were better than the performances. This season clearly neither have been good enough. It seems though that for some people results are pretty much all that matter, which puzzles me. I watch and go to the matches to see enterprising, entertaining football and hopefully for us to win. Stoke are above us in the table and yet surely nobody would want Tony Pulis in charge, or Sam Allardyce again.

 

We were robbed of a point today, but that doesn't mean the performance was good enough.

 

I don't see anybody arguing that he performance today was in any way 'good'. It was what it was, a tired, disjointed performance, owing to a physically demanding game three days previously and a freakish succession of injuries.

 

What have all our other shit results this season been down to then? Are they all down to other factors? At what point does the talent of the manager start to overcome these factors or do we actually need a season like the last one where everything goes our way (bar one or two decisions) for us to have a good season? (or even a decent season?)

 

Another one!

 

You can answer it if you want, that smiley doesn't really say anything. Or you can say that me, or HTT, or anyone else just say the same thing all the time to try and get us talking about posters rather than Pardew? Or you can misrepresent loads of people's posts,  such as suggesting that people want him sacked for a few bad performances that are down to certain circumstances?

 

Or answer the points made, or take a break.

 

Why answer it, man? You've got yourself all wound up, and you sound a bit daft. I'm 'misrepresenting' posters on a forum to deflect criticism from Pardew? Why would I, or anyone, do that?

 

Honestly, you've come online and quoted three of my posts in succession when I've left the debate. You're well aware of my position and thoughts on the matter (they're still pretty similar to the 6 months). This is bizarre.

 

I don't feel wound up. I wasn't aware you'd left the debate, I thought we all posted one after the other? I quoted your posts because they interested me, isn't that what you do?

 

I can't offer an answer to why you'd name check other posters and misrepresent arguments, just seemed that way. If you've left the debate, that's your prerogative

[Barnes23]

I'm not massively displeased with anything Pardew did today (ie. today in isolation). Thought his team selection was fine and it was one of the occasions were we started out of the blocks pretty quickly (a phenomena I can count on my hands this season) for which he deserves credit. His pre-match comments about revenge for last season impressed me also.

 

The injury to Debuchy really threw us, and encouraged them. They also got a goal off some horrible "defending" from Santon.

 

I can certainly understand the viewpoint that it was enough to derail us/encourage them, and to an extent I'd agree, but I do think that in a moment like that (and the subsequent injury to Haidara), it really exposes a team's true level - insofar as they revert to what they know/are comfortable with - their default setting, if you will.

 

Under Pardew, their default setting hasn't been very good if we're honest. It's been a scatter-shot, supremely optimistic "strategy" of playing in Ba, then Cisse early. It's an attack which is comprised of straight lines which at all times point forwards, and at all times are easily telegraphed by opposing defences - if not always dealt with.

 

Sometimes, the quality of the balls played is enough to let these passes come off - but the balance of probabilities is generally stacked against us when we try to break down a team like this. The additions of Gouffran and Sissoko have added new attacking qualities which have been very encouraging - attacking midfielders/wing-forwards who can run at defences with pace and power. The past few games these runs have begun to operate in straight lines too, sadly. I hope it isn't too indicative of things to come.

 

I think some fans are happy to see us run/graft and that's fine for them - what will be, will be. Some days you will get the rub of the green, others you won't. There is only so much can that be done, basically. Other fans, I think, are frustrated with the misuse/unfulfilled potential of our resources, and that's where all this aggro/hostility towards between the two sides emanates from.

 

I fall into the latter category. I want us to win/be successful/play good football. Others are IMO overly-concerned with other fans thinking they are deluded for believing there is more we can achieve than squeezing a top 10 finish here and there. I'm convinced our squad can do more, I'm convinced better football can be eked from the squad and I believe better results will follow if/when this is done. I won't be happy until it does, and I'm sure that will wind a lot of other posters up This is not my intention. I don't think Pardew can get us playing good football, that's all.

 

I don't understand the rationale/evidence behind any assertion to the contrary, based on what we have seen in his managerial career so far (here or elsewhere).

 

Great post  . The bit in bold is what it ultimately boils down to- I don't want to look back in a few years remembering Pardew as the man who failed to realise the potential of a great squad of players, which I believe we have (especially in light of the january additions).

 

Wigan looking superior to us today in terms of ball retention, movement and attacking fluidity wasn't anomalous- this has been the case practically all season, whoever we have played.

[jimmymag]

And what's the one common denominator? Pardew and his "coaching" team!

[Incognito]

At the end of the day, we're asking Rolf Harris to do Michelangelo's job on the Sistine Chapel ceiling. We're asking a bus driver to drive a McLaren in the British Grand Prix. The man has nothing on his CV to even suggest he can manage a club, to play football the majority of fans want to see whilst gaining results to achieve success on a consistent basis. We shouldn't be surprised that we lack any attacking tactical plan week in week out. The man doesn't have this quality in his managerial arsenal. He is mediocre,at best. I feel we deserve better.

If this is stability, another 7 years of this, then you can shove stability where the sun doesn't fucking shine.

[SLK]

Very unlucky today - missing our 4 best players, 2 fullbacks crocked within half an hour and still took 2 ridiculously bad decisions to beat us.

 

Yep and lost to the worst team in the league very unlucky we were

The same worst team which beat Everton on their home turf I thought QPR were the worst but I guess some people here just come up with anything to prove it's Pardew's fault we lost the game.

[Jack Flash]

I haven't read the thread but

 

"Pardew's not good enough"

"Leave Pardy alone ffs!"

 

I assume 

[Guest GeordieAce]

 

 

At what point did I say it was?

 

 

 

It was written all over your post without you actually saying it.  You're going on as if today is a one off and it's anything but, its par for the course.  People aren’t pissed off because of today and one game, it’s more that we’re poor more often than not.

 

 

I don't think today was a one off at all and I'm actually all for replacing Pardew. I just think today, it wasn't Pardew to blame for the defeat, it was down to the reasons I mentioned. But I agree with what your saying as the football has been way below par.

[Gallowgate Toon]

I'm a bit lost as to what happened after Debuchy went off, we were looking very good up until that point and suddenly it all changed. I don't know if that was down to Pardew or momentum changing but I'm leaning towards the former, I just don't see how they could have found an extra gear with our full back going off.

 

As for the rest of the match, I can't complain too much about AP, only the Gouffran switch annoyed me. Thursday's tough game has been forgotten, the effect of which was doubled as 2 first half subs meant we really needed fresh legs in the second but couldn't, Sissoko in particular seemed to really be struggling. And then there's the mental aspect of that tackle too. I thought we put in a good shift in the second half, created some opportunities and could have had more but for some poor decision-making.

[Away Toon]

I suspect next year Pardew will be Manager and Andy Carroll will be back at CF. We will probably play some kind of 442, though who the wingers will be I've no idea. It won't be pretty and won't work against the good sides, but even an outdated old fashioned 442 would be more exciting than watching this shite.

[Pilko]

Forget the tactics, result and all that - I was fucking livid to see him once again refusing to blame the referee one bit. We were absolutely done over today, despite the largely shit performance. The non decision on the red card, the handball for the winner, the corner we randomly didn't get (tbf like that would have mattered ) and the constant free kicks for the slightest bit of nothing challenges against our players.

 

The players are going to start getting the idea that he couldn't really give a fuck about protecting them if he keeps that attitude in his interviews.

[Wullie]

Forget the tactics, result and all that - I was fucking livid to see him once again refusing to blame the referee one bit. We were absolutely done over today, despite the largely shit performance. The non decision on the red card, the handball for the winner, the corner we randomly didn't get (tbf like that would have mattered ) and the constant free kicks for the slightest bit of nothing challenges against our players.

 

The players are going to start getting the idea that he couldn't really give a fuck about protecting them if he keeps that attitude in his interviews.

 

 

"I won't say anything so I don't get myself into trouble"

 

  Aye, and next time we're at Old Trafford, and the ref has a choice between incurring the wrath of Fergie and the "ah well" of Pardew, what's he going to do?

 

He should have been on the pitch at half time and full time in the ref's face, not straight down the tunnel. Bollocks to keeping our dignity, being able to take the moral high ground never won a single football match. The teams/managers that win stuff are nearly always also the biggest arseholes.

[merlin]

At the end of the day, we're asking Rolf Harris to do Michelangelo's job on the Sistine Chapel ceiling. We're asking a bus driver to drive a McLaren in the British Grand Prix. The man has nothing on his CV to even suggest he can manage a club, to play football the majority of fans want to see whilst gaining results to achieve success on a consistent basis. We shouldn't be surprised that we lack any attacking tactical plan week in week out. The man doesn't have this quality in his managerial arsenal. He is mediocre,at best. I feel we deserve better.

If this is stability, another 7 years of this, then you can shove stability where the sun doesn't f***ing shine.

 

Basically sums it all up for me - excellent post.

We cannot go into another season with all this happening - it is a waste of decent players.

[Guest TheGreatBeardo]

Forget the tactics, result and all that - I was f***ing livid to see him once again refusing to blame the referee one bit. We were absolutely done over today, despite the largely s*** performance. The non decision on the red card, the handball for the winner, the corner we randomly didn't get (tbf like that would have mattered ) and the constant free kicks for the slightest bit of nothing challenges against our players.

 

The players are going to start getting the idea that he couldn't really give a f*** about protecting them if he keeps that attitude in his interviews.

 

 

"I won't say anything so I don't get myself into trouble"

 

  Aye, and next time we're at Old Trafford, and the ref has a choice between incurring the wrath of Fergie and the "ah well" of Pardew, what's he going to do?

 

He should have been on the pitch at half time and full time in the ref's face, not straight down the tunnel. Bollocks to keeping our dignity, being able to take the moral high ground never won a single football match. The teams/managers that win stuff are nearly always also the biggest arseholes.

 

I might be wrong like, but I think he was in the ref's face at full time wasn't he? I'm sure I saw him having a go at the ref on MOTD.

[Guest tollemache]

Yeah, I don't think he exactly let it lie

 

On another note: we've looked a lot better when trying to come from behind recently, and the set pieces are looking about thirty times more dangerous. That's nice isn't it

[Parky]

Move forward as a side rather than knocking it up to a couple of players must be the mantra now.

[Guest JS]

Forget the tactics, result and all that - I was f***ing livid to see him once again refusing to blame the referee one bit. We were absolutely done over today, despite the largely s*** performance. The non decision on the red card, the handball for the winner, the corner we randomly didn't get (tbf like that would have mattered ) and the constant free kicks for the slightest bit of nothing challenges against our players.

 

The players are going to start getting the idea that he couldn't really give a f*** about protecting them if he keeps that attitude in his interviews.

 

 

"I won't say anything so I don't get myself into trouble"

 

  Aye, and next time we're at Old Trafford, and the ref has a choice between incurring the wrath of Fergie and the "ah well" of Pardew, what's he going to do?

 

He should have been on the pitch at half time and full time in the ref's face, not straight down the tunnel. Bollocks to keeping our dignity, being able to take the moral high ground never won a single football match. The teams/managers that win stuff are nearly always also the biggest arseholes.

 

I imagine he's been collared by Ashley after the Spurs incident and the game against Everton

[Ste]

Can't see the point in getting all riled up about a situation that we couldn't change at the time. Getting in the ref's face could go one of two ways, he is more lenient towards us or he is harsher towards us. We're not Manchester United and Pardew is not Ferguson. It pisses me off no end to see managers/players get in the ref's face, he isn't suddenly about to change his mind and it'll only get the players agitated.

 

Two very important home games coming up that I'd much rather see Pardew on the touchline for.