merlin Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 My view on Pardew hasn't changed since early in the season - he is running true to form at previous clubs, having a year or so of reasonable success then a steady drop-off in the performance of his team. Depite having millions of pounds-worth of new talent given to him - a luxury clubs like Villa, Wigan and Southampton have NOT had in the January window, the side has fallen from its little lift from these signings and is now once again looking poor. Nobody can deny there have been injuries, the one to HBA being a critical blow, but the team's performances have once again become pedestrian, defensive and sterile in attack, where Cisse looks like a poor Championship player....much of this has to be down to Pardew and his tactics. As people have said, O'Neill being fired from the Mackems IS another pressure - Pardew now looks worse than any other manager whose team are in trouble ; people have mocked Lambert at Villa but if they beat Liverpool today, he will have done a brilliant job given the absence of any financial back-up and the Saints new manager has done really well since he took over - or at least, he has made sure that the team has.... I am not advocating sacking Pardew at this time - its too close to the end now unless you could get someone really good which is out of the window - but he HAS to go in summer, whether we stay up or go down. He will never take the club forward and we will continue to have massive defeats like the latest one and worst of all, they will be whilst playing dire, sterile football. If Pardew stays, we will lose many of our better players, including Cabaye, in summer - no doubt in my mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingcrofty Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 question, has pardew got a single result this season from a fixture that you'd not expect us to win? i mean vs. the top 6 teams, or in a game where were were decimated by injuries? i do not include results where we've had to pull something back from when he's got it totally wrong in the first place not that there's many of chelsea (h) springs to mind keep saying it but this is the mark of a good manager I didn't expect us to beat QPR Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 I just dont see what his tactics are meant to be. If its defensive then it doesnt look it because we are all over the place conceading goals left right and centre from mistakes. He really needs to stop worrying about other teams and just set us up to attack. Cisse in on his own with absolutely nobody backing him up, we need to be further up the pitch applying pressure to teams. It really is pathetic the way we play, we look like we dont train together and it needs to be changed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Jobs for the boys no mark. Such a poor coach. Every fucking game man... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocker Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 I've been patient with him, don't know why, think I was just after the stablity that we've lacked for so long, but this is taking the piss. Performances are awful and we're just increasing the pressure and importance of our home games. It's going to be a nervy fucking end to the season like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tachikoma Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Fuck, really was hoping I was going to see Pardew getting the sack today. Easily a worse manager than Martin, too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 My view on Pardew hasn't changed since early in the season - he is running true to form at previous clubs, having a year or so of reasonable success then a steady drop-off in the performance of his team. Depite having millions of pounds-worth of new talent given to him - a luxury clubs like Villa, Wigan and Southampton have NOT had in the January window, the side has fallen from its little lift from these signings and is now once again looking poor. Nobody can deny there have been injuries, the one to HBA being a critical blow, but the team's performances have once again become pedestrian, defensive and sterile in attack, where Cisse looks like a poor Championship player....much of this has to be down to Pardew and his tactics. As people have said, O'Neill being fired from the Mackems IS another pressure - Pardew now looks worse than any other manager whose team are in trouble ; people have mocked Lambert at Villa but if they beat Liverpool today, he will have done a brilliant job given the absence of any financial back-up and the Saints new manager has done really well since he took over - or at least, he has made sure that the team has.... I am not advocating sacking Pardew at this time - its too close to the end now unless you could get someone really good which is out of the window - but he HAS to go in summer, whether we stay up or go down. He will never take the club forward and we will continue to have massive defeats like the latest one and worst of all, they will be whilst playing dire, sterile football. If Pardew stays, we will lose many of our better players, including Cabaye, in summer - no doubt in my mind. Not sure about how quickly we'll lose Cabaye, but good post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingcrofty Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Just wondering who people would want to replace Pardew? Someone who would realistically come. Would we be looking at an appointment like Martinez/Poyet/Di Canio, or try to get someone like Rudi Garcia? I'd get rid in the summer FWIW. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Just wondering who people would want to replace Pardew? Someone who would realistically come. Would we be looking at an appointment like Martinez/Poyet/Di Canio, or try to get someone like Rudi Garcia? I'd get rid in the summer FWIW. I personally think Ashley and Llambias will listen to Carr. I read the comments from Llambias early, talks of building on a global brand, you cant do that outside the premier league or from the bottom end. I was thinking maybe we should give him next season but im fed up now, every football match is just an awful struggle. Keep him for now and have someone lined up as soon as the season ends. Who that could be, i dunno but i trust Carr. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 we shouldn't keep him now tbh, carver has enough experience to get us to the end of the season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Looking at S'hampton with 4/5 streaming into the box or 6 breaking forward in posession is the best contrast to our pedestrian 1 or 2 trying something in or around the box. Pitiful. A team more often than not playing within itself and playing with fear and trepidation of almost any side we come up against. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 we shouldn't keep him now tbh, carver has enough experience to get us to the end of the season Carvs for me like Nah I would want someone in with a bit "more" Id wait until summer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 we shouldn't keep him now tbh, carver has enough experience to get us to the end of the season Carvs for me like Nah I would want someone in with a bit "more" Id wait until summer. i think as an absolute minimum carver would let them go out and fucking play, which has got to be a better option than the nonsense pardew is serving up? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Just stick a pin in one of these. France R. Garde Olympique Lyon 7001 France F. Gillot Bordeaux 6646 France P. Montanier Real Sociedad 6017 France R. Garcia Lille 5631 71 France R. Girard Montpellier 5219 France C. Galtier Saint-Étienne 4795 curr99 92 France F. Antonetti Stade Rennes 4559 0 279 curr106 110 France E. Baup Olympique Marseille 4328 curr145 142 France C. Gourcuff Lorient 3486 154 France C. Puel Nice 3374 curr189 176 France D. Sanchez Valenciennes 2871 184 France A. Casanova Toulouse 2813 0 186 curr201 211 France E. Hély Sochaux, (Sochaux II) 2729 France F. Hantz Bastia 2410 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 The league table is fcking minging Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newcastle Fan Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 The Changes yesterday made no sense at all. can't understand why he took Gouffran off when he can't play on thursday. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingcrofty Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 The Changes yesterday made no sense at all. can't understand why he took Gouffran off when he can't play on thursday. Yep. As soon as we went 3-0 down Cabaye and Sissoko should have been off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Gouffran's seemingly his go-to guy when we need to make a change. No idea why he made that decision yesterday, Gouff was no worse than many others and was working fairly hard still. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Moody Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 I've been patient thus far with our manager, because like somebody mentioned above, I liked the idea of stability within the club. The rate at which we have changed management in the past has been embarrassing, but we certainly need a manager now who can work with the talent we have in the dressing room. It's so frustrating having players like Cabaye, Sissoko, Ben Arfa, Marveaux and playing so negatively week in week out. I have plenty of non-toon mates who every week ask me what has gone wrong. I've been behind Pardew. giving him time to get it right but if he does stay I don't think it will get any better than this. I actually quite like his character, but he's not working for us where it counts. There's no good in moving him on before the end of the season, of that i'm certain. And going by what Llambias has said in the past - that every manager is entitled to a bad season - and especially given the 8 year contract they dished out this season, I can't seen him going anywhere for at least another season yet. Contrary to what some have said, we did play some attractive football last season. I'm certain we can again under Pardew, but we can't wait for him to get it right because I'm worried our big guns will get bored and as frustrated as us, and will move on. I'd like to see somebody like Gus Poyet come in in the summer, with Carver at his side. He has his team playing nice passing football, and he has a real enthusiasm for it, which would benefit us no end. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Do his supporters still think he's trying to advance us to a better standard of football, or is getting back to the effective football we played for much of last year the ultimate aim? I don't hear people saying he'll get us playing good stuff much anymore, that's all. Seems to be that we got good results one season and can do so again. Fwiw, I wouldn't officially class myself as a 'Pardew supporter' and - although I'd prefer it that we stuck, I'm not gonna sit here and say I'd be devastated if he went in the summer. I'm just a supporter of the notion of stability. I'm nowhere near convinced he has the ability to get the full potential out of this squad - I just think there's something to sticking with a manager. It's not like Souness, Roeder, Kinnear or Allardyce, who were basically shite from the beginning - in my opinion Pardew has performed admirably as a manager for an extended period of time (though I concede there's discrepancies over that opinion, which appears to be the sticking point here). In addition to what was, imo, a brilliant job last season, I think it's worth pointing out that his opening spell has been forgotten about in this debate. It was pretty solid to be fair, especially considering the Carroll debacle. It was only an aberration against WBA that prevented us from actually finishing in the top half. I'm just sick of seeing us constantly chopping and changing, and I don't have faith in the board to upgrade on him. He's shown good and bad in equal measure imo, and should get till Christmas. Just repeating myself now. Fair points, can't say I agree massively about him doing anything better than a bang-average job in his first half-season but there you go. Certainly not something I'd give him a massive amount of credit for, he was OK. Anyway, do you think he wants to play better football or not, that's what I'm asking. People used to say he was working towards us playing better stuff, but they don't seem to say that now. Where's my signature gone Polic??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 question, has pardew got a single result this season from a fixture that you'd not expect us to win? i mean vs. the top 6 teams, or in a game where were were decimated by injuries? i do not include results where we've had to pull something back from when he's got it totally wrong in the first place not that there's many of chelsea (h) springs to mind keep saying it but this is the mark of a good manager Well, we gave Man Utd one of the best games, that I can recall, we've ever given them down there, we gave Arsenal all they could handle until we ran out of gas around 70 mins (they being totally rested) and we drew at Liverpool where we unrelentingly usually get beaten. Apart from that, your right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Let's make a poll then, whether Poyet > Pardew. I am not defending Pards but I honestly can't think of any managers that 1. most of us believe is better then Pards and 2. is realistic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 question, has pardew got a single result this season from a fixture that you'd not expect us to win? i mean vs. the top 6 teams, or in a game where were were decimated by injuries? i do not include results where we've had to pull something back from when he's got it totally wrong in the first place not that there's many of chelsea (h) springs to mind keep saying it but this is the mark of a good manager Well, we gave Man Utd one of the best games, that I can recall, we've ever given them down there, we gave Arsenal all they could handle until we ran out of gas around 70 mins (they being totally rested) and we drew at Liverpool where we unrelentingly usually get beaten. Apart from that, your right. aye liverpool i suppose, but weren't they in a shite patch themselves when we played them? hardly been blazing a trail this season either, but as you say usually a graveyard so one in the column for pards chelsea and liverpool (draw) then, that about it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 I'll take back what I said about Obertan/Marveaux then. Just seen the interview and he's said Marveaux has a very mild groin strain so they were worried about playing him. He really needs a big performance out of the team next sunday against Fulham. None of this cautious approach, have to go for it and put them away. I'm still to get my ticket for the Fulham match but if we go a goal up and I'm sitting there in the freezing cold and we sit back as we so often do............... Need the 3 points to take into the derby. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingcrofty Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Would be hard to like Poyet giving how the cunt cost us the FA Cup under Bobby. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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