Mole_Toonfan Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 The midfield I really want to see is Marveaux - Cabaye - Sissoko in the Ancelotti formation. I think they'd tear strips off lesser teams. I love the idea of that, we would need a cracking coach to pull it off though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 I still don't see what he's good enough at to start in a midfield 3. Marveaux's a far better footballer and Tiote's better at protecting the back 4, as rubbish as he's been recently. Precisely. People are saying they'd play him ahead of Tiote, but I've seen very little to suggest he'd be capable of that. He's a tidy, quick passer, but he'd simply be invisible as a defensive force against 90% of Premier League midfields. he'd take his place in the XI for me, not positionally. What three are you thinking? anita, cabaye, sissoko at present, at the start of the season i was thinking anita, tiote, cabaye. From what I've seen so far, I wouldn't feel comfortable with him in a three minus Tiote. Unfortunately for him, buying Sissoko, and using him as we do, has made his inclusion even less likely. Our best three, for me, is Sissoko, Cabaye and Marveaux. best three technically aye, most effective ? I'm not so sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Snrub Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 I'd still rather see Cisse Marv Hatem Cabs Sissoko Tiote Bigi simply isn't cut out for this level just yet and as said, if we are playing a DM, Tiote is the only man for the job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 I'd still rather see Cisse Marv Hatem Cabs Sissoko Tiote Bigi simply isn't cut out for this level just yet and as said, if we are playing a DM, Tiote is the only man for the job. would that not possibly mean tiote getting far too much possession ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 I'd still rather see Cisse Marv Hatem Cabs Sissoko Tiote Bigi simply isn't cut out for this level just yet and as said, if we are playing a DM, Tiote is the only man for the job. would that not possibly mean tiote getting far too much possession ? He needs to win it and then give it; look what's in-front of him! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 I'd still rather see Cisse Marv Hatem Cabs Sissoko Tiote Bigi simply isn't cut out for this level just yet and as said, if we are playing a DM, Tiote is the only man for the job. would that not possibly mean tiote getting far too much possession ? He needs to win it and then give it; look what's in-front of him! i was more thinking of when we play the ball out from the back 4. that central pivot gets more of the ball and that would be tiote, if not it drags cabaye basically back into the position he has been the last few weeks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 Tbf to Tiote i know he's been bad but our movement off the ball is terrible it cannot give him too many options to pass with his limited vision. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 I'd still rather see Cisse Marv Hatem Cabs Sissoko Tiote Bigi simply isn't cut out for this level just yet and as said, if we are playing a DM, Tiote is the only man for the job. would that not possibly mean tiote getting far too much possession ? He needs to win it and then give it; look what's in-front of him! i was more thinking of when we play the ball out from the back 4. that central pivot gets more of the ball and that would be tiote, if not it drags cabaye basically back into the position he has been the last few weeks. Well, considering that we've got 2 good footballing CBs at the club (or at least one from next season), you should expect them to be able to carry the ball and look for options ahead of them. Tiote covering. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Snrub Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 I'd still rather see Cisse Marv Hatem Cabs Sissoko Tiote Bigi simply isn't cut out for this level just yet and as said, if we are playing a DM, Tiote is the only man for the job. would that not possibly mean tiote getting far too much possession ? That's where the manager should come in. He should be lambasting Tiote and telling him to keep it simple, win the ball and make a pass. If he stuck to this like he did in his first season he can be a fucking brilliant DM. But Pardew's clearly doing fuck all to address this, otherwise Tiote wouldn't keep trying to play the ball out from the back as if he's Beckenbauer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 I'd still rather see Cisse Marv Hatem Cabs Sissoko Tiote Bigi simply isn't cut out for this level just yet and as said, if we are playing a DM, Tiote is the only man for the job. would that not possibly mean tiote getting far too much possession ? He needs to win it and then give it; look what's in-front of him! i was more thinking of when we play the ball out from the back 4. that central pivot gets more of the ball and that would be tiote, if not it drags cabaye basically back into the position he has been the last few weeks. Well, considering that we've got 2 good footballing CBs at the club (or at least one from next season), you should expect them to be able to carry the ball and look for options ahead of them. Tiote covering. easy said but look at most teams, they play it to that central pivot in the hope it drags a player in and creates space in behind. also it means we have tiote in there purely to win it and give it, nothing else ? but of a waste of a space on the team sheet imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 I'd still rather see Cisse Marv Hatem Cabs Sissoko Tiote Bigi simply isn't cut out for this level just yet and as said, if we are playing a DM, Tiote is the only man for the job. would that not possibly mean tiote getting far too much possession ? He needs to win it and then give it; look what's in-front of him! i was more thinking of when we play the ball out from the back 4. that central pivot gets more of the ball and that would be tiote, if not it drags cabaye basically back into the position he has been the last few weeks. Well, considering that we've got 2 good footballing CBs at the club (or at least one from next season), you should expect them to be able to carry the ball and look for options ahead of them. Tiote covering. The reason i felt Anita was bought as he had proven he could do this to a very good standard at Ajax with Vertonghen, now i'm just confused at the whole recruitment of him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 I'd still rather see Cisse Marv Hatem Cabs Sissoko Tiote Bigi simply isn't cut out for this level just yet and as said, if we are playing a DM, Tiote is the only man for the job. would that not possibly mean tiote getting far too much possession ? He needs to win it and then give it; look what's in-front of him! i was more thinking of when we play the ball out from the back 4. that central pivot gets more of the ball and that would be tiote, if not it drags cabaye basically back into the position he has been the last few weeks. Well, considering that we've got 2 good footballing CBs at the club (or at least one from next season), you should expect them to be able to carry the ball and look for options ahead of them. Tiote covering. easy said but look at most teams, they play it to that central pivot in the hope it drags a player in and creates space in behind. also it means we have tiote in there purely to win it and give it, nothing else ? but of a waste of a space on the team sheet imo. how is that a waste of space, that is basically what makelele did for jose mourinho at chelsea. Did the same thing at madrid before he went to chelsea. Won almost everything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 Shame we're not Chelsea, then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 Shame we're not Chelsea, then. whats the matter ronnie still upset from earlier? yes because one man will make chelsea Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 I'd still rather see Cisse Marv Hatem Cabs Sissoko Tiote Bigi simply isn't cut out for this level just yet and as said, if we are playing a DM, Tiote is the only man for the job. would that not possibly mean tiote getting far too much possession ? He needs to win it and then give it; look what's in-front of him! i was more thinking of when we play the ball out from the back 4. that central pivot gets more of the ball and that would be tiote, if not it drags cabaye basically back into the position he has been the last few weeks. Well, considering that we've got 2 good footballing CBs at the club (or at least one from next season), you should expect them to be able to carry the ball and look for options ahead of them. Tiote covering. easy said but look at most teams, they play it to that central pivot in the hope it drags a player in and creates space in behind. also it means we have tiote in there purely to win it and give it, nothing else ? but of a waste of a space on the team sheet imo. Rubbish, there are plenty of CBs that come-out with the ball. Having the CBs coming-up with the ball is probably a more effective way to create space in the middle of the park as it takes longer for the pressing player to chase the CB and closing him down. (Unless you've got a Kevin Davies like striker in your side. ) It's not a waste of space having a player there purely to win it and release it to the more creative players. The more we push-up, the further up the park Tiote would win it; thus helping us keep the ball in the opposition's half a bit more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 and makalele done a lot more thasn that, he was much more of a link man, controlling possession than tiote , he was also very good at bringing the ball of the back four which I don't think tiote can do well enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 Anita's practically never been used in his actual position since he got here. The only 2 times I can think of, where he's been a genuine defensive midfielder playing in front of the defence, are Liverpool away after Perch went off and Reading at home until Marveaux got subbed. He performed well in both. I don't buy the physicality argument either, there's far more to being a DM than being strong, such a backward mentality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Snrub Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 I'd still rather see Cisse Marv Hatem Cabs Sissoko Tiote Bigi simply isn't cut out for this level just yet and as said, if we are playing a DM, Tiote is the only man for the job. would that not possibly mean tiote getting far too much possession ? He needs to win it and then give it; look what's in-front of him! i was more thinking of when we play the ball out from the back 4. that central pivot gets more of the ball and that would be tiote, if not it drags cabaye basically back into the position he has been the last few weeks. Well, considering that we've got 2 good footballing CBs at the club (or at least one from next season), you should expect them to be able to carry the ball and look for options ahead of them. Tiote covering. easy said but look at most teams, they play it to that central pivot in the hope it drags a player in and creates space in behind. also it means we have tiote in there purely to win it and give it, nothing else ? but of a waste of a space on the team sheet imo. Look at Mascherano when he was at Liverpool, Busquets now at Barcelona. Winning the ball, breaking up play and keeping it simple with a pass is their job. And it's very effective. We have players ahead of Tiote who are capable of hurting teams and it's exactly what we should be doing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 and makalele done a lot more thasn that, he was much more of a link man, controlling possession than tiote , he was also very good at bringing the ball of the back four which I don't think tiote can do well enough. Not to mention the fact he had great attacking players in front of him, so Mourinho could afford to play a purely defensive player, anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 and makalele done a lot more thasn that, he was much more of a link man, controlling possession than tiote , he was also very good at bringing the ball of the back four which I don't think tiote can do well enough. Tiote can bring the ball out of defence he just doesnt know when to pass the ball, get rid, or no one around to pass to. the way our team play doesnt help. lest not make out jose's chelsea played like barca, they werent exactly past and move team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 I'd still rather see Cisse Marv Hatem Cabs Sissoko Tiote Bigi simply isn't cut out for this level just yet and as said, if we are playing a DM, Tiote is the only man for the job. would that not possibly mean tiote getting far too much possession ? He needs to win it and then give it; look what's in-front of him! i was more thinking of when we play the ball out from the back 4. that central pivot gets more of the ball and that would be tiote, if not it drags cabaye basically back into the position he has been the last few weeks. Well, considering that we've got 2 good footballing CBs at the club (or at least one from next season), you should expect them to be able to carry the ball and look for options ahead of them. Tiote covering. easy said but look at most teams, they play it to that central pivot in the hope it drags a player in and creates space in behind. also it means we have tiote in there purely to win it and give it, nothing else ? but of a waste of a space on the team sheet imo. Rubbish, there are plenty of CBs that come-out with the ball. Having the CBs coming-up with the ball is probably a more effective way to create space in the middle of the park as it takes longer for the pressing player to chase the CB and closing him down. (Unless you've got a Kevin Davies like striker in your side. ) It's not a waste of space having a player there purely to win it and release it to the more creative players. The more we push-up, the further up the park Tiote would win it; thus helping us keep the ball in the opposition's half a bit more. yes they do, but look at man utd for example, centre backs like you say who can, but they don't like to from that deep mainly as it doesn't really keep the oppo moving like it does when they pass the ball out, keeping possession, keeping it moving, keeping the oppo moving, creating gaps. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 I'd still rather see Cisse Marv Hatem Cabs Sissoko Tiote Bigi simply isn't cut out for this level just yet and as said, if we are playing a DM, Tiote is the only man for the job. would that not possibly mean tiote getting far too much possession ? He needs to win it and then give it; look what's in-front of him! i was more thinking of when we play the ball out from the back 4. that central pivot gets more of the ball and that would be tiote, if not it drags cabaye basically back into the position he has been the last few weeks. Well, considering that we've got 2 good footballing CBs at the club (or at least one from next season), you should expect them to be able to carry the ball and look for options ahead of them. Tiote covering. easy said but look at most teams, they play it to that central pivot in the hope it drags a player in and creates space in behind. also it means we have tiote in there purely to win it and give it, nothing else ? but of a waste of a space on the team sheet imo. Look at Mascherano when he was at Liverpool, Busquets now at Barcelona. Winning the ball, breaking up play and keeping it simple with a pass is their job. And it's very effective. We have players ahead of Tiote who are capable of hurting teams and it's exactly what we should be doing. I think tiote can do that, technically, but he just needs to sort the mental side of his game out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 I'd still rather see Cisse Marv Hatem Cabs Sissoko Tiote Bigi simply isn't cut out for this level just yet and as said, if we are playing a DM, Tiote is the only man for the job. would that not possibly mean tiote getting far too much possession ? He needs to win it and then give it; look what's in-front of him! i was more thinking of when we play the ball out from the back 4. that central pivot gets more of the ball and that would be tiote, if not it drags cabaye basically back into the position he has been the last few weeks. Well, considering that we've got 2 good footballing CBs at the club (or at least one from next season), you should expect them to be able to carry the ball and look for options ahead of them. Tiote covering. easy said but look at most teams, they play it to that central pivot in the hope it drags a player in and creates space in behind. also it means we have tiote in there purely to win it and give it, nothing else ? but of a waste of a space on the team sheet imo. Look at Mascherano when he was at Liverpool, Busquets now at Barcelona. Winning the ball, breaking up play and keeping it simple with a pass is their job. And it's very effective. We have players ahead of Tiote who are capable of hurting teams and it's exactly what we should be doing. both much more than tiote type ball winners though, great at keeping possession and recieving thye ball off the back 4 and keeping it going. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 Swansea aren't exactly full of massive fuck off beasts, Joe Allen looks about 5 ffs. There obviously is a lot of time for physical players and being a physical presence helps, but there are many exceptions to the rule. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 And obviously by Joe Allen I mean Leon Britton Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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