Hughesy Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/generic/81/42/36/lawsofthegame_2012_e.pdf There are different circumstances when a player must be cautioned for unsporting behaviour, eg if a player: ... uses a deliberate trick while the ball is in play to pass the ball to his own goalkeeper with his head, chest, knee etc. in order to circumvent the Law Should have been an indirect freekick and a booking. That rule is ridiculously vague. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 So all heading back to the keeper is illegal? Stupid rule, glad no one enforces it (but probably will now) Allegedly it's fine if the ball is in a 'natural' position, like a normal header or chest. Getting down like Taylor did is apparently unsportsmanlike because ordinarily he'd have kicked a ball on the deck. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest salmon Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 Thats the rule in question- uses a deliberate trick while the ball is in play to pass the ball to his own goalkeeper with his head, chest, knee, etc. in order to circumvent the Law, irrespective of whether the goalkeeper touches the ball with his hands or not. The offence is committed by the player in attempting to circumvent both the letter and the spirit of the Law 12 and play is restarted with an indirect free kick. although I feel this applies to when a player flicks the ball up into the air and heads it back to the keeper, and even that isn't punished. I think it was the Dutch national team that didn't like the backpass rule when it was introduced so they would kneel on the ball so the keeper could pick it up, and then this clause was added. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 If that's the case then the same should have happened to Assou-Ekotto when he chipped it up for himself and then headed it back to Friedel during the 5-0 loss. I can't imagine referees going with that rule unless FIFA start making a big deal of it. Which, I can't see happening unless England, or an English team somehow benefit from it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 There are lots of deliberate headers and chests etc. though. That's the whole point of them! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 I don't think bending down to head the ball can be considered a 'trick'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 What relevance is that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 Thats the rule in question- uses a deliberate trick while the ball is in play to pass the ball to his own goalkeeper with his head, chest, knee, etc. in order to circumvent the Law, irrespective of whether the goalkeeper touches the ball with his hands or not. The offence is committed by the player in attempting to circumvent both the letter and the spirit of the Law 12 and play is restarted with an indirect free kick. although I feel this applies to when a player flicks the ball up into the air and heads it back to the keeper, and even that isn't punished. I think it was the Dutch national team that didn't like the backpass rule when it was introduced so they would kneel on the ball so the keeper could pick it up, and then this clause was added. It's not a trick to kneel on the ground, unless you are a pretty basic person. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 http://i50.tinypic.com/344qioi.jpg An indirect freekick from there? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 If it happens inside the 6 yard box, it's automatically taken back to te 6 yard line. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulivye Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 so, is any pass to the goalkeeper a 'back pass'--even if the gk is 4 yards in front of you? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 so, is any pass to the goalkeeper a 'back pass'--even if the gk is 4 yards in front of you? Yes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulivye Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 ta Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exiled in Texas Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 But Saylor didn't get down on his hands/knees just so that he could head the ball to Krul. He was down on his knees because he slipped stopping the ball.......then he headed the ball the Krul. No deception or trick play there. The rule says that the keeper cannot handle a ball that was deliberately played to them by a team mate. So it's about intent, and the referee has to determine the intent of how the ball was played to the keeper. Was the player under pressure? Did he need help from the keeper because of pressure on the ball? Did the player have an alternative play to make but chose to pass to the keeper? You have to answer YES to those type of questions for it to be considered a "back pass" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 He was down on his knees because he slipped stopping the ball....... Yep, how I saw it too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 He was down on his knees because he slipped stopping the ball....... Yep, how I saw it too. You guys are shitting me. He very clearly knelt down specifically to head the ball. There isn't any doubt about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 No question it was an attempt to get round the back pass rule. In the situation though, it would have been a very brave or very foolish ref to give it. Common sense prevailed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 http://www.nufc.co.uk/articles/20120822/betbutler-apologise-for-technical-problems_2281670_2897043 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 http://www.nufc.co.uk/articles/20120822/betbutler-apologise-for-technical-problems_2281670_2897043 They can shove their apology up their arse and fek off back to there internet business. 'Get out of our club, get out of our club, fuck off betbutler, get of our club' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ujpest doza Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 http://www.nufc.co.uk/articles/20120822/betbutler-apologise-for-technical-problems_2281670_2897043 My neices boyfriend started work for them in the ground on matchdays on saturday and said that at one point they only had one terminal working in the entire ground. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 "...we will revert to the tradition coupon betting you have been used to for many years." If it ain't broke. Don't fix it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussiemag Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 type watch?v=bdxW39DtGz4 behind our favourite video website, for a great video of the match. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 type watch?v=bdxW39DtGz4 behind our favourite video website, for a great video of the match. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 Honour rules in Premiership football Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderson Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 type watch?v=bdxW39DtGz4 behind our favourite video website, for a great video of the match. It made my ears bleed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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