Spudil Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Only saw the second half but that was laughably comfortable for a team that most predict will be battling relegation all season. Could have quite easily been six or seven. Even aside from the question of management, the number of basic errors the players are making at present is unbelievable. Players running into each other, throw-ins immediately putting teammates under pressure (there were two in particular in the second half that were truly incredible), corners taken directly to the opposition, shots spilled by the goalkeeper and so on. There's a fundamental problem here right now. Wrong: We need a decent attacking coach, some self belief again & less injuries, thats about it. Our attacking play being the fundamental problem? Spudil lad, stick to writing up nonsense with complete conviction in the dieting threads mate, atleast reading your stuff is amusing then. I humbly suggest you brush up on your reading comprehension lad. Then read this post again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MW Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 On my way back. That was painful Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 On a side note, why didn't Ramirez get sent off for diving (twice)? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Good point on Ba, Beren. He's been pissing me off recently, thinks he has the on-ball ability of Ben Arfa, when in actual fact his play is generally poor. He was unbelievably selfish today and I think he needs to be taken down a peg or two. No wonder he might have an inflated ego mind, it's not as if our coach didn't completely pander to him as soon as he threw a strop. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLK Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Never been one to criticize our players but thank god Colocinni is back and Williamson isn't starting against Stoke. Steven talyor is not any better either. If any one has been monitoring his play he would notice how rubbish he is and why we concede easy goals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Good point on Ba, Beren. He's been pissing me off recently, thinks he has the on-ball ability of Ben Arfa, when in actual fact his play is generally poor. He was unbelievably selfish today and I think he needs to be taken down a peg or two. No wonder he might have an inflated ego mind, it's not as if our coach didn't completely pander to him as soon as he threw a strop. There was a point at 0-0 and he just received the ball, turned and started running towards the goal and instead of passing to the nufc player in space on the right he tried to shoot from ridiculous range. You can't call us a team at the moment.. it's frustrating watching other teams all working as one for each other and then we get what we had today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderson Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Just woke up, thank fuck I have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Geordie Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Has Pardew done is post match interview yet or has he gone into hiding along with some of the players? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Has Pardew done is post match interview yet or has he gone into hiding along with some of the players? http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,92734.msg4047211.html#msg4047211 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Geordie Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Has Pardew done is post match interview yet or has he gone into hiding along with some of the players? http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,92734.msg4047211.html#msg4047211 Cheers. Think I've managed a full-house on the 'bingo' excuses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Has Pardew done is post match interview yet or has he gone into hiding along with some of the players? well I went looking form it, but couldnt find- despite watching the game, and following it on here I somehow had it in my head it was 3-0 and when I saw 2-0 again, I felt a bit of joy. :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DubblyDubblyDubbly Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 How much are we paying these spineless cnuts every week ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuv Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 How much are we paying these spineless cnuts every week ? Great avatar Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
binnsy Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Never been one to criticize our players but thank god Colocinni is back and Williamson isn't starting against Stoke. Steven talyor is not any better either. If any one has been monitoring his play he would notice how rubbish he is and why we concede easy goals. taylor has a hamstring injury apparently so looks like Williamson will be starting against Stoke Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Good point on Ba, Beren. He's been pissing me off recently, thinks he has the on-ball ability of Ben Arfa, when in actual fact his play is generally poor. He was unbelievably selfish today and I think he needs to be taken down a peg or two. No wonder he might have an inflated ego mind, it's not as if our coach didn't completely pander to him as soon as he threw a strop. Ba is the only player even looking close to scoring. His goals are keeping us afloat at present and that probably won't change so dropping him won't help at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuv Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Sammy Ameobi Pardew actually plays him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Good point on Ba, Beren. He's been pissing me off recently, thinks he has the on-ball ability of Ben Arfa, when in actual fact his play is generally poor. He was unbelievably selfish today and I think he needs to be taken down a peg or two. No wonder he might have an inflated ego mind, it's not as if our coach didn't completely pander to him as soon as he threw a strop. Ba is the only player even looking close to scoring. His goals are keeping us afloat at present and that probably won't change so dropping him won't help at all. I never said drop him, someone just needs to get a hold of him and to tell him that he needs to be more of a team player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_F Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Two defensive midfielders in the centre and two centre forwards who can't hold the ball up. Not a recipe for building attacks. Cisse can hold the ball up. Playing up front on his own at Freiburg he was brilliant at it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David28 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Pardew post match: http://www.skysports.com/video/inline/0,,16497_8282168,00.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20486669 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnypd Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Two defensive midfielders in the centre and two centre forwards who can't hold the ball up. Not a recipe for building attacks. Cisse can hold the ball up. Playing up front on his own at Freiburg he was brilliant at it. didn't he play up top 'on his own' in our 4-3-3 spell? Seemed to work well.. The issue isn't that he's up top alone, it's that we want to use him as a target man, someone who enjoys physical scraps with centre-halves, something who battles with his back to goal, someone who is skilful enough to hold the ball when he has two or three players crowding around him. Well he's not that sort of player. in the slightest. But what he can do is respond to good movement around him, play on the shoulder of the last defender, be part of quick, incisive counter-attacks, move into space and play simple passes when the other attackers show for the ball and so on. Not every lone striker need be a target man with physical presence, look at Defoe's form this season for example, or to be even more blindingly obvious, Falcao and Messi when they play in a front 3. You will have to look quite far to see an example of a player being as poorly utilised as Cisse is right now - both in terms of how the team around him plays, and what he himself is expected to do. Looks absolutely bereft of ability and confidence. Pardew's use of his Cisse this season is worse than Allardyce putting Martins out wide, for instance. In fact it's even worse than those infamous matches when Souness put Shola on the left-wing, because you're wasting a far bigger asset than Ameobi. it's absolutely criminal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gleebals Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Utter utter gash. Worst than the last two games. We have hit a new low. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Two defensive midfielders in the centre and two centre forwards who can't hold the ball up. Not a recipe for building attacks. Cisse can hold the ball up. Playing up front on his own at Freiburg he was brilliant at it. didn't he play up top 'on his own' in our 4-3-3 spell? Seemed to work well.. The issue isn't that he's up top alone, it's that we want to use him as a target man, someone who enjoys physical scraps with centre-halves, something who battles with his back to goal, someone who is skilful enough to hold the ball when he has two or three players crowding around him. Well he's not that sort of player. in the slightest. But what he can do is respond to good movement around him, play on the shoulder of the last defender, be part of quick, incisive counter-attacks, move into space and play simple passes when the other attackers show for the ball and so on. Not every lone striker need be a target man with physical presence, look at Defoe's form this season for example, or to be even more blindingly obvious, Falcao and Messi when they play in a front 3. You will have to look quite far to see an example of a player being as poorly utilised as Cisse is right now - both in terms of how the team around him plays, and what he himself is expected to do. Looks absolutely bereft of ability and confidence. Pardew's use of his Cisse this season is worse than Allardyce putting Martins out wide, for instance. In fact it's even worse than those infamous matches when Souness put Shola on the left-wing, because you're wasting a far bigger asset than Ameobi. it's absolutely criminal. Very good analysis there Johnny. Obviously his confidence is rock bottom at the moment too and that is making it even worse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Two defensive midfielders in the centre and two centre forwards who can't hold the ball up. Not a recipe for building attacks. Cisse can hold the ball up. Playing up front on his own at Freiburg he was brilliant at it. I've never seen him play for Freiburg, but I simply don't believe that. He's absolutely terrible at it, even worse than Ba. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
binnsy Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Two defensive midfielders in the centre and two centre forwards who can't hold the ball up. Not a recipe for building attacks. Cisse can hold the ball up. Playing up front on his own at Freiburg he was brilliant at it. I've never seen him play for Freiburg, but I simply don't believe that. He's absolutely terrible at it, even worse than Ba. Me neither but i would imagine when he played up front on his own at Freiberg he wasn't having balls fired at his head and instead was getting balls played through midfield and then down the side of centre backs for him to run on too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Cisse is like the Real Madrid/early days here Michael Owen type player who plays on the last man, who darts into space and basically puts away your through balls etc. He is no target man or lone ranger, he's an instinctive forward with a bit pace, a bit guile and good all-round finishing skills. In short he needs chances. We are not providing any. For all his wonder goals last season, he was more of a threat when chances were being created for him, allied to his runs, movement etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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