Guest bimpy474 Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 I barely know anyone outside this forum who wants him sacked. Last years manager of the year loses four games and we've started calling for his head? Embarrasing IMO. The critisisms are fine and of course I have my doubts but to call for his head is absolute lunacy. Its the style of football. We have a long injury list, Wigan have one just as long, you could say they are missing more important players for their team than we are ours. Now take a look at the way each team play, Pardew claims we cant play a certain way because of the injuries, yet Martinez gets his team to continue to play good football. Pardew is talking bollocks, it his style of football. For all Pardew's talk he is a long ball merchant, a style i hate and is so shit to watch. But for Pardew to look at the players we have and think that long ball is what suits them shows me he is mental in the head. As many have pointed out when we switched to 4-3-3, we did play quite good football, West Brom away being the best example. Now for reason only known to Pardew we are playing in a way that is septic. Its Hippo Heads football, percentage crap. Ok he was manager of the year, fine but just look at what you are watching. Look at the results. Look at the all round picture. But most of all look and what he is saying, he says the complete opposite to what he does so often its ridiculous. That is the worry above all others, he seem to believe the opposite of what he tells us, he doesn't look like he knows what to do. That comes from being an average manager. We are all (quite rightly) ready to believe how average Martin O'Nil is. We have been shown by Brummie just how predictible O'Nil is, just how the football goes under him, just how he buys crap players for too much money. A pattern emerges just as Brummie showed us. Yet the same pattern (start off well then fall away, poor play etc) with Pardew is ignored, why should we ignore that, what just because he's our manager ?. And i couldn't give a flying fucktard to what other fans think, and never have. He isn't good enough and the football we are seeing proves it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 +1 I would aslo like to see good football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 I barely know anyone outside this forum who wants him sacked. Last years manager of the year loses four games and we've started calling for his head? Embarrasing IMO. The critisisms are fine and of course I have my doubts but to call for his head is absolute lunacy. I know quite a few who don't want him sacked but they are losing faith in him as they see what everybody else can see and more are turning against him. I don't know anybody who doesn't think he should take the largest share of the blame for our season so far. I don't know anybody who thinks we should be playing hoofball and I don't know anybody who thinks that playing 2 in the middle is the way that suits our players. I don't want him sacked yet even if I do have a go at him, that could change on Monday if we lose the game because losing that changes our season from a season of struggle to a season where we might get relegated. Fail to win on Monday and we could easily be bottom 3 by Christmas and QPR have taken steps to stay up so they have given themselves a chance. If we’re bottom by Christmas we can virtually kiss goodbye to our league status as I think only one team have stayed up from that position. We rightly binned Allardyce when he was taking us on a run of games like the one we’re facing in the coming weeks and I’m convinced that we stayed up that season because of that decision. I’m not sure that we’ll have the balls to bin Pardew and we might suffer for the indecision of Llambias and/or Ashley. Is keeping Pardew more important than staying up? At what point does his job become untenable when you look at the games coming up? Make no mistake about it, we are now in a relegation battle and we’ve got a series of games coming up that could kill us. Too many people are still in denial about the danger we're in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 just read this on the North east football FB page. 'Pardew oot waa ganin doon agen .. aal tha hard work of chrissy hyuuutan is ganin doon tha swanny leyke Come Monday night ' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David28 Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 I honestly can see him being in trouble if we lose against Wigan. 5 defeats on the spin, 3 of that home games and all against lower league table teams. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 Exactly. You could argue that other fans don't know how bad we've been, but looking at the bigger picture its far too early to be thinking about sacking him. The bigger picture is that the team that finished 5th last season are in a relegation battle at this time, how much of a bigger picture do you want? Do you think we should wait until we're bottom 3 before thinking about sacking him? Should we wait and see if we're rock bottom by Christmas before thinking about sacking him? What about waiting to see if we do get relegated before thinking about it? Take a look at the fixtures we’re facing between now and 19 January when we play Reading at home. We’ve got two easy or relatively easy games at home. The first being on Monday, the second is just before Christmas against a QPR team who have been lifted by Redknapp if the game against the mackems is anything to go by. QPR look as if they are up for the fight now so I’m not going to write them off, I would have done recently because they looked dead and buried. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 Im afraid that nothing will actually change very much at all, tactics, style of football or incoming transfers and so on until we're SERIOUSLY in the shit and then it's probably too late. What if we'd done something before, maybe we should have, what if blah blah blah... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinotheprehistoricgeordie Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 He deserves at least this season to turn it around. Firing your manager at the first sign of trouble is stupid. Saying that, I really hope he manages to get us playing again. We really are terrible to watch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 Good signs in the last game, if we can keep this philosophy, get our best players back on the pitch, we're going to be climbing back into the top 8 by Jan. I don't think there's any chance of going top 8 by January. Yes, we've lost 4 games in a row but look who we were playing. Those are games we should have been picking up points in. Our fixtures in December are horrendous, realistically I can see us getting 5 points from December, maybe 7 if we beat Wigan. If no teams above us collect a single point in December that would put us in 7th by 1 point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 He deserves at least this season to turn it around. Firing your manager at the first sign of trouble is stupid. Saying that, I really hope he manages to get us playing again. We really are terrible to watch. Even if we go down with Pardew as the captain of the ship? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 Where did everton finish that year under moyes? The one where they kept faith with him despite being in trouble? They did that as they thought he was the right man. Ashley thinks pards is the right man. that's the bigger picture. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 Where did everton finish that year under moyes? The one where they kept faith with him despite being in trouble? They did that as they thought he was the right man. Ashley thinks pards is the right man. that's the bigger picture. 17th but he had nowhere near as good as a team as we have at that time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 Where did everton finish that year under moyes? The one where they kept faith with him despite being in trouble? They did that as they thought he was the right man. Ashley thinks pards is the right man. that's the bigger picture. 17th but he had nowhere near as good as a team as we have at that time. And didn't blast the ball upfield like a team of cannons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Phil K Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 I recall Glenn Roeder having the habit of having a good season, and following it with relegation at a few clubs. Maybe Pardew is similar ? I know a huge amount of damage has been done to faith in him with this atrocious run (we stand in the exact same position as we did the year we went down (2009). Worrying. Worse in that I doubt this lot would stay to repair the damage like most did last time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 He deserves at least this season to turn it around. Firing your manager at the first sign of trouble is stupid. Saying that, I really hope he manages to get us playing again. We really are terrible to watch. You're burying your head in the sand, nothing is more important than stopping up and we're beyond the stage where playing again is a major consideration. Worrying about not going down is where we're at. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mofo Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 Probably been asked a thousand times, BUT if we got rid of Pard's who would we end up with?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 Probably been asked a thousand times, BUT if we got rid of Pard's who would we end up with?? Dunno what kind of prick Ashley would hire, but if our rot continues for too long i'd rather see us try something, whatever that might be. When there's a fire in a 15 floor building, people don't jump out down from it because it's fun. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 Where did everton finish that year under moyes? The one where they kept faith with him despite being in trouble? They did that as they thought he was the right man. Ashley thinks pards is the right man. that's the bigger picture. We've got 14 points from 14 games and we've had a relatively easy run of games. We're struggling after playing games which we needed to win and we're looking at games which our current form over the last 6 games is the 2nd worst in the league. We are about to face a series of games where we'll be lucky to come out of with anything like a reasonable goal difference never mind points total. Of our 14 games played we’ve faced Chelsea and Man U away, apart from that we should be able to expect to get something from the others. We’ve vastly under-performed so often that we have no right to expect anything positive from any team either at home or away. How Everton performed under Moyes at any time is irrelevant to our current position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 Probably been asked a thousand times, BUT if we got rid of Pard's who would we end up with?? Who can answer that question? None of us, we can come up with names and it would be pointless as none of us have any say in the matter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 Seems most would rather lose our best players than the manager, which I just find thoroughly bizarre. Cabaye, Ba, Cisse, Ben Arfa, Krul, none of them will stay at a club who has just battled relegation or even finished in mid table. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 No doubt that if Pardew isn't good enough, he should be removed from his post. Still don't know who we could realistically replace him with? If there is a manager out there, who would come in and start a new project (shudder at the RAWK terminology), then I'm all for it. Had it up to my ears with stop-gaps though, and for that reason alone I'd rather Pardew stayed and had a chance to turn it around. We must strengthen the squad before we hound out the current manager imo. Should that not happen to a sufficient degree this January, Pardew should have the presence of mind to resign. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 milesstarforth: Pardew on January transfer plans: 'I think (the injuries) have increased the discussions on that window.' #nufc http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdra8o8jEo1r3d02ro1_500.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 Seems most would rather lose our best players than the manager, which I just find thoroughly bizarre. Cabaye, Ba, Cisse, Ben Arfa, Krul, none of them will stay at a club who has just battled relegation or even finished in mid table. Fuck that. I don't mind Pardew screwing our season, I've already written it off anyway. The problem if he stays, and continues his bizarre clod-hopping football, is that we will lose good players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 "Clod-hopping". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superior Acuña Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 Seems most would rather lose our best players than the manager, which I just find thoroughly bizarre. Cabaye, Ba, Cisse, Ben Arfa, Krul, none of them will stay at a club who has just battled relegation or even finished in mid table. But I'm also inclined to think they won't want to syay around a club lacking stability and probably with another manager they'd have no more reason to have faith in than Pardew. Whoever he's replaced by, it's not going to be someone that impresses us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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