Guest icemanblue Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 Shut up, James. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 Can't we hang on and see if he's actually done any raping recently before making these sort of judgements? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggs Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 We absolutely can not allow this to happen. Where is the respect for the alleged victim? Would Pardew be happy if he was in the victim's father's shoes? innocent till proven guilty calm down Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 We absolutely can not allow this to happen. Where is the respect for the alleged victim? Would Pardew be happy if he was in the victim's father's shoes? He's not even been charged yet. Just wait till its resolved one way or the other before getting too worked up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 Love the implication in here that "accused of rape" means "guilty of rape" I think there's a little more to it than that in this case. Yes, it should be arrested on suspicion of being involved in the gang rape of a woman, not yet charged with any offence. fyp Forgive my ignorance on matters of arrest etc. he has been arrested on suspicion of this alleged offence, but not charged? Then how is he going to court? I thought you would need to have a specific charge against you to appear in court?? Genuine question. Sorry if its obvious to some but I don't get it. How can you be on trial for something you haven't even been accused of?? Bit Kafkaesque isn't it. Arrest is a suspicion. A complaint made by anyone about anything is normally enough for the Police to arrest somebody. He may not even go to Court as he is yet to be charged. I think he is on police bail until September. If he is then he will either be rebailed to a later date (unlikely), charged, or no further action will be taken. Arrest is the first stage in bringing a prosecution the police will gather the evidence and send it to the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS). The CPS will decide whether there is enough evidence for a realistic chance of conviction. However post Saville the CPS handle sexual complaints slightly differently. In short because they want victims to come forward they are now treating whatever a complainant says as given, irrespective of any inconsistencies in their account. Therefore there will always be a realistic prospect of conviction on the alleged victims evidence which means there is now probably a decent chance of charge. That being said the victim in this case has alleged that she was date raped and there may be a number of factors relevant to whether or not Remy is Charged, such as the presence of any date rape drugs in her system, any medical evidence obtained from her vagina incriminating any of the accused etc. It is possible that in the absence of this evidence a decision not to charge may occur. A lot will depend on the specifics of the allegation the complainant has made. If arrest is stage one charge is stage two. It is the formal laying of charges against a person and it is at this point that somebody would be required to attend Court and a trial would take place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 Ryan to replace Remy in the Championship on their wing. Aye, similar players tbh. They are if you used to listen to the Three Legends. I'm sure Malcolm McDonald said something about 'get Ryan Taylor on the wing, running at fullbacks'. I remember Slaven saying that during Taylor's time at LB. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 If he rapes people, he's right up Pardews street. Who did he make that unfortunate quip about again? I wanna say Heskey, but there's no way he's ever figuratively raped anyone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 If he rapes people, he's right up Pardews street. Who did he make that unfortunate quip about again? I wanna say Heskey, but there's no way he's ever figuratively raped anyone. Essien Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 Shut up, James. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 If this is true, I can only think it's a mixture of missing out on all our other targets Why would you conclude that, when we scouted and tried to buy Remy in the past? IIRC, he was top of our list when we ended up with Gouffran. Yeah, but since then he's got a police investigation hanging over him. With that uncertainty, we ought to be looking elsewhere. The worry at the back of my mind is that the Kinnear appointment has publicly raised doubts about Pardew's future. Whether or not that's a fair reflection of the situation of the club is another matter, but things still look uncertain. It might be very difficult to persuade a player to choose us against some competition in that situation, and we might get forced into looking at players who are a bit of a gamble. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 After Pardews latest comments it is going to be embarrassing when Remy snubs us for the second time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Bailey Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 Love the implication in here that "accused of rape" means "guilty of rape" I think there's a little more to it than that in this case. Yes, it should be arrested on suspicion of being involved in the gang rape of a woman, not yet charged with any offence. fyp Forgive my ignorance on matters of arrest etc. he has been arrested on suspicion of this alleged offence, but not charged? Then how is he going to court? I thought you would need to have a specific charge against you to appear in court?? Genuine question. Sorry if its obvious to some but I don't get it. How can you be on trial for something you haven't even been accused of?? Bit Kafkaesque isn't it. Arrest is a suspicion. A complaint made by anyone about anything is normally enough for the Police to arrest somebody. He may not even go to Court as he is yet to be charged. I think he is on police bail until September. If he is then he will either be rebailed to a later date (unlikely), charged, or no further action will be taken. Arrest is the first stage in bringing a prosecution the police will gather the evidence and send it to the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS). The CPS will decide whether there is enough evidence for a realistic chance of conviction. However post Saville the CPS handle sexual complaints slightly differently. In short because they want victims to come forward they are now treating whatever a complainant says as given, irrespective of any inconsistencies in their account. Therefore there will always be a realistic prospect of conviction on the alleged victims evidence which means there is now probably a decent chance of charge. That being said the victim in this case has alleged that she was date raped and there may be a number of factors relevant to whether or not Remy is Charged, such as the presence of any date rape drugs in her system, any medical evidence obtained from her vagina incriminating any of the accused etc. It is possible that in the absence of this evidence a decision not to charge may occur. A lot will depend on the specifics of the allegation the complainant has made. If arrest is stage one charge is stage two. It is the formal laying of charges against a person and it is at this point that somebody would be required to attend Court and a trial would take place. Cheers mate. Didn't know that stuff. And hope I never have need of this knowledge personally. Still a bit of a risk for me. like the idea about a loan with a mandatory buyout price if no charges etc...depends on who else is sniffing around I guess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 Can't believe we've got to a stage where people are talking about what could possibly be found in an alleged rape victims vagina. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Bailey Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 Very informative N-O. Amazing knowledge depth on here...disturbing but amazing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 Very informative N-O. Amazing knowledge depth on here...disturbing but amazing Just an amateur enthusiast Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 Seems to have all gone quiet on Remy. Saw West Ham are now linked but seems to be very few rumours about where he could be going compared to at the end of last season. I assume everyone is cautious due to his rape charge. But I'm guessing that won't be sorted any time soon so is their a chance he will stay at QPR. I suppose innocent until proven guilty and all that. Would be perfect for us I believe despite all the nonsense that happened in January. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 Someone's bound to take a chance on the guy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzzy Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 If they had enough evidence wouldn't they have charged him already? I can't see them waiting ubtill his bail date if they had enough evidence? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 If they had enough evidence wouldn't they have charged him already? I can't see them waiting ubtill his bail date if they had enough evidence? Nah, they always wait until the bail date. It's just easier and these things take a lot of time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzzy Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 Ah I see. Always thought if they had enough evidence they would just pull you in. But clearly no physical evidence had been found, otherwise would have been an instant charge. Is a dismissal allowed should we take a chance on him (if found guilty of course) or would we be stuck with him? Or could we not put a clause into contract? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 Le10sport: As a reminder, according to our information, Newcastle has also submitted a bid of € 10.5 million to QPR for Loic Remy. Around £6.8m? Nah more like 8-9 i think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 Remy + Gomis in? I'd 100% support that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveItIfWeBeatU Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 Le10sport: As a reminder, according to our information, Newcastle has also submitted a bid of € 10.5 million to QPR for Loic Remy. Around £6.8m? Nah more like 8-9 i think. €10.5m would be £9.03m going by today's exchange rate (€1 = £0.86) . Considering QPR bought him for £8m in January I very much doubt that QPR would be able to make a profit on selling him based on the accusation of rape hanging over him and his high wage. As long as he is innocent of the gang rape he has been accused of being involved in, getting him for less than £8m would be good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 For some reason I just don''t see this one happening. I've got a feeling it will probably be Bent and Gomis and that's our lot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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