Moussa Sissoko

[Kanj]

[GideonShandy]

Not dropped from the France squad.  Deschamps can't have been paying much attention.

[Cronky]

What is annoying and odd is that when he first came here, his passing was better and he scored goals. He's gone backwards and is worse on the ball and with it in the final third. I'm hoping under Rafa he will rekindle some of his earlier success here.

 

Defenders have sussed him out. They know his first touch is very poor, so if they pressure him and close down his space right away, he'll struggle to keep possession.

 

[matta]

Got this strange feeling he will stand out under Benitez. He's unstoppable when he is on form (that first game vs chelsea springs to mind).

[Chicken Dancer]

Still can't understand him being a winger. Fucking Pardew. Even France play him there now do they not?

[Guest]

Still can't understand him being a winger. f***ing Pardew. Even France play him there now do they not?

 

He turned an average Ligue 1 striker into a left wing-back/holding midfielder and a promising box-to-box midfielder into a right-winger. Genius.

[Wilson]

Still can't understand him being a winger. f***ing Pardew. Even France play him there now do they not?

 

He turned an average Ligue 1 striker into a left wing-back/holding midfielder and a promising box-to-box midfielder into a right-winger. Genius.

 

Not to mention the HBA carry on, wtf was that bloke thinking man. "I don't give a fuck if you can scare the shit out of defenders and take 6 players on, cover that full back and then be dropped because you can't defend well"

[Lush Vlad]

Still can't understand him being a winger. f***ing Pardew. Even France play him there now do they not?

 

He turned an average Ligue 1 striker into a left wing-back/holding midfielder and a promising box-to-box midfielder into a right-winger. Genius.

 

Not to mention the HBA carry on, wtf was that bloke thinking man. "I don't give a f*** if you can scare the s*** out of defenders and take 6 players on, cover that full back and then be dropped because you can't defend well"

 

What's more worrying.  Is the amount of fans that lapped that bullshit up and now constantly use this as an argument against him. 

[The College Dropout]

No way he's a CM in 2 man central midfield. No way. He's a very average dribbler in tight spaces, he needs space to run into - he struggles to create it. He lacks the agility of a Modric, Dembele or even a Dyer to create quick transitions in the middle of the park. unless a team is really pressing. Also he's not a very good passer of the ball. He can work in a midfield 3 certainly but in a 2 - no way. Lacks ability on the ball and largely unable to play to his strengths. Oh and he can't put a foot in either. Barely interested.

 

I don't think he's a RW either tbf.

[The College Dropout]

Btw average ligue 1 striker is lucky to have a PL career at all. Word to Riviere.

[Figures 1-0 Football]

I'd personally play Moussa in Yaya Toure's position at Man City, they have similar playing styles (running through people) but Yaya is just better at it.

[Mole_Toonfan]

Goes without saying but Yaya is miles better technically and miles better as a passer.

[Figures 1-0 Football]

Goes without saying but Yaya is miles better technically and miles better as a passer.

 

Absolutely, but Sissoko is not a winger and would be so much more effective for us centrally.

[The College Dropout]

I'd personally play Moussa in Yaya Toure's position at Man City, they have similar playing styles (running through people) but Yaya is just better at it.

 

They don't have similar playing styles at all. Yaya is a passer and is a legitimate goal-threat with both feet. He has rampage mode but that's not how most of his goals or assists or meaningful play manifest. Sissoko gets the ball and tries to run at players to be effective. It's rampage mode or nothing.

 

Can you imagine SIssoko sitting in and dictating play like Yaya?

[Hanshithispantz]

Not sure I should ask like, but what are box feet?

[The College Dropout]

Goes without saying but Yaya is miles better technically and miles better as a passer.

 

To the point they aren't similar. Sissoko's a great player on the counter at his best. Toure can dominate a game.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I don't see why Sissoko couldn't play centrally. He's no Yaya obviously, but I think his style seems a lot more erratic because of how he has been asked to play. He's our only attacking outlet, his job has been purely to move the ball up the pitch however he can.

 

Not saying I would necessarily base our survival on moving Sissoko to CM, but long-term I think that is his position.

[The College Dropout]

Not sure I should ask like, but what are box feet?

what?

[Hanshithispantz]

a wise edit. Assumed you'd just made up a term.

[Guest dabe]

Manager instructions can help with a player's demonstrable ability. He could play centrally in a boxed-in midfield if instructed and coached to not just run at/through defenders.

 

I should add his vision would be more of an issue than his technical ability.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Manager instructions can help with a player's demonstrable ability. He could play centrally in a boxed-in midfield if instructed and coached to not just run at/through defenders.

 

I should add his vision would be more of an issue than his technical ability.

 

True. He'll always be more effective when running than passing, he'll never be Carrick. But that's not to say he can't be coached to pay neat and tidy and wait for his chances to break.

[Mole_Toonfan]

Not sure I should ask like, but what are box feet?

 

[Figures 1-0 Football]

I'd personally play Moussa in Yaya Toure's position at Man City, they have similar playing styles (running through people) but Yaya is just better at it.

 

They don't have similar playing styles at all. Yaya is a passer and is a legitimate goal-threat with both feet. He has rampage mode but that's not how most of his goals or assists or meaningful play manifest. Sissoko gets the ball and tries to run at players to be effective. It's rampage mode or nothing.

 

Can you imagine SIssoko sitting in and dictating play like Yaya?

 

For a start, a majority of Yaya's goals are through free kicks. I've often wondered what Sissoko would be like with a powerful free kick (Shearer-esque), but as he's never taken one I'd imagine he's pretty awful.

 

Yaya isn't at his best when he sits deep, Yaya is a better player when he plays close to Aguero but he has to play deep a lot of the time to counter Man City's more back four. Both Yaya and Sissoko should be playing just behind the front line.

 

They are both big and bullish central midfielders, both players like to be direct and pick the ball up and move with it before releasing it. You're looking into the difference in quality too much rather than playing style. If Sissoko was given the opportunity in the same role as Yaya, you'd see what I mean. He is absolutely wasted on the wing and that is why he looks garbage.

[The College Dropout]

Toure's strongest attributes are technical rather than physical.  Especially now.  He's scored 72 goals for Man City - I doubt more than a third are from dead ball situations.  I doubt he's scored more than 13 from free kicks. His free kicks rely on technique rather than power too.

 

Offensively Yaya is good at CM or AM.  At CM he can control a game at AM he can decide if.  He's not providing any defensive solidity as a CM either.

 

Yaya's passing and finishing - his technical ability is just as good as his physical.  Better in fact.  He doesn't dominate matches physically.  Sissoko's passing in general play is his biggest weakness while its Yaya's main strength.  Making it a shit, lazy comparison. Technically there's nothing Scholes could do that Yaya can't.  Sissoko can't say the same for Jonjo fucking Shelvey. 

[Figures 1-0 Football]

Toure's strongest attributes are technical rather than physical.  Especially now.  He's scored 72 goals for Man City - I doubt more than a third are from dead ball situations.  I doubt he's scored more than 13 from free kicks. His free kicks rely on technique rather than power too.

 

Offensively Yaya is good at CM or AM.  At CM he can control a game at AM he can decide if.  He's not providing any defensive solidity as a CM either.

 

Yaya's passing and finishing - his technical ability is just as good as his physical.  Better in fact.  He doesn't dominate matches physically.  Sissoko's passing in general play is his biggest weakness while its Yaya's main strength.  Making it a s***, lazy comparison. Technically there's nothing Scholes could do that Yaya can't.  Sissoko can't say the same for Jonjo f***ing Shelvey.

 

I was talking about Sissoko possibly being good with a powerful free kick, if you care to read my post properly. Fwiw, 28 of Yaya's 72 goals have been from dead balls situations.

 

You sound like you do most of your scouting on Football Manager ("main strengths and weaknesses"), rather than actually watching games in practice. As I've said many times, you're looking too much into the difference in quality of the two players rather than their actual BEST playing style. You're ignoring the fact that in a majority of the games the players are playing in systems and tactical situations forced on them by their managers.

 

Sissoko's passing looks shit because he is being played out of position on the wing in a team where he had to defend for 80 minutes, in a central role he would flourish and be a much better player.

 

Yaya Toure at his best is an AM. Moussa Sissoko at his best is an AM. They are both big powerful attacking midfielders. That is the point I've been making all along, you try to make silly counter arguments with a load of garble that isn't actually relevant to the point we are discussing