Moussa Sissoko

[Lush Vlad]

Still can't understand him being a winger. f***ing Pardew. Even France play him there now do they not?

 

He turned an average Ligue 1 striker into a left wing-back/holding midfielder and a promising box-to-box midfielder into a right-winger. Genius.

 

Not to mention the HBA carry on, wtf was that bloke thinking man. "I don't give a f*** if you can scare the s*** out of defenders and take 6 players on, cover that full back and then be dropped because you can't defend well"

 

What's more worrying.  Is the amount of fans that lapped that bullshit up and now constantly use this as an argument against him. 

[The College Dropout]

No way he's a CM in 2 man central midfield. No way. He's a very average dribbler in tight spaces, he needs space to run into - he struggles to create it. He lacks the agility of a Modric, Dembele or even a Dyer to create quick transitions in the middle of the park. unless a team is really pressing. Also he's not a very good passer of the ball. He can work in a midfield 3 certainly but in a 2 - no way. Lacks ability on the ball and largely unable to play to his strengths. Oh and he can't put a foot in either. Barely interested.

 

I don't think he's a RW either tbf.

[The College Dropout]

Btw average ligue 1 striker is lucky to have a PL career at all. Word to Riviere.

[Figures 1-0 Football]

I'd personally play Moussa in Yaya Toure's position at Man City, they have similar playing styles (running through people) but Yaya is just better at it.

[Mole_Toonfan]

Goes without saying but Yaya is miles better technically and miles better as a passer.

[Figures 1-0 Football]

Goes without saying but Yaya is miles better technically and miles better as a passer.

 

Absolutely, but Sissoko is not a winger and would be so much more effective for us centrally.

[The College Dropout]

I'd personally play Moussa in Yaya Toure's position at Man City, they have similar playing styles (running through people) but Yaya is just better at it.

 

They don't have similar playing styles at all. Yaya is a passer and is a legitimate goal-threat with both feet. He has rampage mode but that's not how most of his goals or assists or meaningful play manifest. Sissoko gets the ball and tries to run at players to be effective. It's rampage mode or nothing.

 

Can you imagine SIssoko sitting in and dictating play like Yaya?

[Hanshithispantz]

Not sure I should ask like, but what are box feet?

[The College Dropout]

Goes without saying but Yaya is miles better technically and miles better as a passer.

 

To the point they aren't similar. Sissoko's a great player on the counter at his best. Toure can dominate a game.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I don't see why Sissoko couldn't play centrally. He's no Yaya obviously, but I think his style seems a lot more erratic because of how he has been asked to play. He's our only attacking outlet, his job has been purely to move the ball up the pitch however he can.

 

Not saying I would necessarily base our survival on moving Sissoko to CM, but long-term I think that is his position.

[The College Dropout]

Not sure I should ask like, but what are box feet?

what?

[Hanshithispantz]

a wise edit. Assumed you'd just made up a term.

[Guest dabe]

Manager instructions can help with a player's demonstrable ability. He could play centrally in a boxed-in midfield if instructed and coached to not just run at/through defenders.

 

I should add his vision would be more of an issue than his technical ability.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Manager instructions can help with a player's demonstrable ability. He could play centrally in a boxed-in midfield if instructed and coached to not just run at/through defenders.

 

I should add his vision would be more of an issue than his technical ability.

 

True. He'll always be more effective when running than passing, he'll never be Carrick. But that's not to say he can't be coached to pay neat and tidy and wait for his chances to break.

[Mole_Toonfan]

Not sure I should ask like, but what are box feet?

 

[Figures 1-0 Football]

I'd personally play Moussa in Yaya Toure's position at Man City, they have similar playing styles (running through people) but Yaya is just better at it.

 

They don't have similar playing styles at all. Yaya is a passer and is a legitimate goal-threat with both feet. He has rampage mode but that's not how most of his goals or assists or meaningful play manifest. Sissoko gets the ball and tries to run at players to be effective. It's rampage mode or nothing.

 

Can you imagine SIssoko sitting in and dictating play like Yaya?

 

For a start, a majority of Yaya's goals are through free kicks. I've often wondered what Sissoko would be like with a powerful free kick (Shearer-esque), but as he's never taken one I'd imagine he's pretty awful.

 

Yaya isn't at his best when he sits deep, Yaya is a better player when he plays close to Aguero but he has to play deep a lot of the time to counter Man City's more back four. Both Yaya and Sissoko should be playing just behind the front line.

 

They are both big and bullish central midfielders, both players like to be direct and pick the ball up and move with it before releasing it. You're looking into the difference in quality too much rather than playing style. If Sissoko was given the opportunity in the same role as Yaya, you'd see what I mean. He is absolutely wasted on the wing and that is why he looks garbage.

[The College Dropout]

Toure's strongest attributes are technical rather than physical.  Especially now.  He's scored 72 goals for Man City - I doubt more than a third are from dead ball situations.  I doubt he's scored more than 13 from free kicks. His free kicks rely on technique rather than power too.

 

Offensively Yaya is good at CM or AM.  At CM he can control a game at AM he can decide if.  He's not providing any defensive solidity as a CM either.

 

Yaya's passing and finishing - his technical ability is just as good as his physical.  Better in fact.  He doesn't dominate matches physically.  Sissoko's passing in general play is his biggest weakness while its Yaya's main strength.  Making it a shit, lazy comparison. Technically there's nothing Scholes could do that Yaya can't.  Sissoko can't say the same for Jonjo fucking Shelvey. 

[Figures 1-0 Football]

Toure's strongest attributes are technical rather than physical.  Especially now.  He's scored 72 goals for Man City - I doubt more than a third are from dead ball situations.  I doubt he's scored more than 13 from free kicks. His free kicks rely on technique rather than power too.

 

Offensively Yaya is good at CM or AM.  At CM he can control a game at AM he can decide if.  He's not providing any defensive solidity as a CM either.

 

Yaya's passing and finishing - his technical ability is just as good as his physical.  Better in fact.  He doesn't dominate matches physically.  Sissoko's passing in general play is his biggest weakness while its Yaya's main strength.  Making it a s***, lazy comparison. Technically there's nothing Scholes could do that Yaya can't.  Sissoko can't say the same for Jonjo f***ing Shelvey.

 

I was talking about Sissoko possibly being good with a powerful free kick, if you care to read my post properly. Fwiw, 28 of Yaya's 72 goals have been from dead balls situations.

 

You sound like you do most of your scouting on Football Manager ("main strengths and weaknesses"), rather than actually watching games in practice. As I've said many times, you're looking too much into the difference in quality of the two players rather than their actual BEST playing style. You're ignoring the fact that in a majority of the games the players are playing in systems and tactical situations forced on them by their managers.

 

Sissoko's passing looks shit because he is being played out of position on the wing in a team where he had to defend for 80 minutes, in a central role he would flourish and be a much better player.

 

Yaya Toure at his best is an AM. Moussa Sissoko at his best is an AM. They are both big powerful attacking midfielders. That is the point I've been making all along, you try to make silly counter arguments with a load of garble that isn't actually relevant to the point we are discussing

[mighty__mag]

Why people argue he's not a CM is because they too got Padewed with him at the same time.

Probably knew nothing about him before hand either.

 

Raffa should know his background, it was Liverpool who wanted him from around the age of 19, they just never moved for him.But he was constantly linked with them in his youth to first team transition at Toulouse.

If you have it coached out of you, you can have it coached back. I would use him as a CM he has no place on the wing. Janmaat would be better out on the wing.

[The College Dropout]

Toure's strongest attributes are technical rather than physical.  Especially now.  He's scored 72 goals for Man City - I doubt more than a third are from dead ball situations.  I doubt he's scored more than 13 from free kicks. His free kicks rely on technique rather than power too.

 

Offensively Yaya is good at CM or AM.  At CM he can control a game at AM he can decide if.  He's not providing any defensive solidity as a CM either.

 

Yaya's passing and finishing - his technical ability is just as good as his physical.  Better in fact.  He doesn't dominate matches physically.  Sissoko's passing in general play is his biggest weakness while its Yaya's main strength.  Making it a s***, lazy comparison. Technically there's nothing Scholes could do that Yaya can't.  Sissoko can't say the same for Jonjo f***ing Shelvey.

 

I was talking about Sissoko possibly being good with a powerful free kick, if you care to read my post properly. Fwiw, 28 of Yaya's 72 goals have been from dead balls situations.

 

You sound like you do most of your scouting on Football Manager ("main strengths and weaknesses"), rather than actually watching games in practice. As I've said many times, you're looking too much into the difference in quality of the two players rather than their actual BEST playing style. You're ignoring the fact that in a majority of the games the players are playing in systems and tactical situations forced on them by their managers.

 

Sissoko's passing looks s*** because he is being played out of position on the wing in a team where he had to defend for 80 minutes, in a central role he would flourish and be a much better player.

 

Yaya Toure at his best is an AM. Moussa Sissoko at his best is an AM. They are both big powerful attacking midfielders. That is the point I've been making all along, you try to make silly counter arguments with a load of garble that isn't actually relevant to the point we are discussing

 

Comparing Moussa's playing style to Yaya is an insult to Yaya. 1 has brilliant technique, 1 of his main weapons. The other doesn't. Being black, strong and quick doesn't mean Sissoko can emulate any part of Yaya's game that doesn't include running.

 

Nothing you have said changes the fact Moussa Sissoko is not good in tight spaces and is an average to poor technically. Under any system he's best when there's space to run into and at his worst with the opposite. He played about 20 games as an AM and was absolutely awful in about 17 of them. He'd pick up the ball too close to other players and lose it. There's more space in wide areas and he has generally looked better there. He could perhaps play CM but severely lacks the technical ability to be successful there. He'll lose the ball a lot because he's not very good at passing.

 

Yaya Toure is  a CM just as much as he is an AM. Mancini & Pellegrini both used him more as a CM of some type. As is the case for Ivory Coast. He's a great CM because he can control a game with his passing.

[Figures 1-0 Football]

Toure's strongest attributes are technical rather than physical.  Especially now.  He's scored 72 goals for Man City - I doubt more than a third are from dead ball situations.  I doubt he's scored more than 13 from free kicks. His free kicks rely on technique rather than power too.

 

Offensively Yaya is good at CM or AM.  At CM he can control a game at AM he can decide if.  He's not providing any defensive solidity as a CM either.

 

Yaya's passing and finishing - his technical ability is just as good as his physical.  Better in fact.  He doesn't dominate matches physically.  Sissoko's passing in general play is his biggest weakness while its Yaya's main strength.  Making it a s***, lazy comparison. Technically there's nothing Scholes could do that Yaya can't.  Sissoko can't say the same for Jonjo f***ing Shelvey.

 

I was talking about Sissoko possibly being good with a powerful free kick, if you care to read my post properly. Fwiw, 28 of Yaya's 72 goals have been from dead balls situations.

 

You sound like you do most of your scouting on Football Manager ("main strengths and weaknesses"), rather than actually watching games in practice. As I've said many times, you're looking too much into the difference in quality of the two players rather than their actual BEST playing style. You're ignoring the fact that in a majority of the games the players are playing in systems and tactical situations forced on them by their managers.

 

Sissoko's passing looks s*** because he is being played out of position on the wing in a team where he had to defend for 80 minutes, in a central role he would flourish and be a much better player.

 

Yaya Toure at his best is an AM. Moussa Sissoko at his best is an AM. They are both big powerful attacking midfielders. That is the point I've been making all along, you try to make silly counter arguments with a load of garble that isn't actually relevant to the point we are discussing

 

Comparing Moussa's playing style to Yaya is an insult to Yaya. 1 has brilliant technique, 1 of his main weapons. The other doesn't. Being black, strong and quick doesn't mean Sissoko can emulate any part of Yaya's game that doesn't include running.

 

Nothing you have said changes the fact Moussa Sissoko is not good in tight spaces and is an average to poor technically. Under any system he's best when there's space to run into and at his worst with the opposite. He played about 20 games as an AM and was absolutely awful in about 17 of them. He'd pick up the ball too close to other players and lose it. There's more space in wide areas and he has generally looked better there. He could perhaps play CM but severely lacks the technical ability to be successful there. He'll lose the ball a lot because he's not very good at passing.

 

Yaya Toure is  a CM just as much as he is an AM. Mancini & Pellegrini both used him more as a CM of some type. As is the case for Ivory Coast. He's a great CM because he can control a game with his passing.

 

What does being black have to do with anything?

 

I'm not going to carry on a discussion with somebody who is quite clearly unable to look past the fact that one player is of world class quality and the other is not.

 

My mate plays Sunday football in a similar style to Jamie Vardy (fast and pacey), comparisons can be made without actually discussing the quality of the players.

 

My point was and still is that Sissoko and Yaya are both better players when they play centrally and in an attacking position. You carry on reading stats from Football Manager and discussing the colour of their skin.

[Cronky]

Yaya Toure is a bit of a freak. Someone that big and strong who still retains such a good touch on the ball is a rarity. And most of the time, he only seems to be giving 80%. When he can be bothered, he can completely dominate the midfield.

 

Increasingly in the Premiership, you can't afford to have players in CM who are weak technically. And Sissoko is weak technically.

[The College Dropout]

That's my point. Toure's style of play is largely dependent on technical ability. Touch, passing, finishing. Sissoko doesn't have any of these capabilities. Toure's game isn't reliant on his athleticism. Sissoko is reliant on athleticism. Toure is not Michael Owen, he's not Fernando Torres, he's not Kieron Dyer.

[triggs]

Toure's strongest attributes are technical rather than physical.  Especially now.  He's scored 72 goals for Man City - I doubt more than a third are from dead ball situations.  I doubt he's scored more than 13 from free kicks. His free kicks rely on technique rather than power too.

 

Offensively Yaya is good at CM or AM.  At CM he can control a game at AM he can decide if.  He's not providing any defensive solidity as a CM either.

 

Yaya's passing and finishing - his technical ability is just as good as his physical.  Better in fact.  He doesn't dominate matches physically.  Sissoko's passing in general play is his biggest weakness while its Yaya's main strength.  Making it a s***, lazy comparison. Technically there's nothing Scholes could do that Yaya can't.  Sissoko can't say the same for Jonjo f***ing Shelvey.

 

I was talking about Sissoko possibly being good with a powerful free kick, if you care to read my post properly. Fwiw, 28 of Yaya's 72 goals have been from dead balls situations.

 

You sound like you do most of your scouting on Football Manager ("main strengths and weaknesses"), rather than actually watching games in practice. As I've said many times, you're looking too much into the difference in quality of the two players rather than their actual BEST playing style. You're ignoring the fact that in a majority of the games the players are playing in systems and tactical situations forced on them by their managers.

 

Sissoko's passing looks s*** because he is being played out of position on the wing in a team where he had to defend for 80 minutes, in a central role he would flourish and be a much better player.

 

Yaya Toure at his best is an AM. Moussa Sissoko at his best is an AM. They are both big powerful attacking midfielders. That is the point I've been making all along, you try to make silly counter arguments with a load of garble that isn't actually relevant to the point we are discussing

 

Comparing Moussa's playing style to Yaya is an insult to Yaya. 1 has brilliant technique, 1 of his main weapons. The other doesn't. Being black, strong and quick doesn't mean Sissoko can emulate any part of Yaya's game that doesn't include running.

 

Nothing you have said changes the fact Moussa Sissoko is not good in tight spaces and is an average to poor technically. Under any system he's best when there's space to run into and at his worst with the opposite. He played about 20 games as an AM and was absolutely awful in about 17 of them. He'd pick up the ball too close to other players and lose it. There's more space in wide areas and he has generally looked better there. He could perhaps play CM but severely lacks the technical ability to be successful there. He'll lose the ball a lot because he's not very good at passing.

 

Yaya Toure is  a CM just as much as he is an AM. Mancini & Pellegrini both used him more as a CM of some type. As is the case for Ivory Coast. He's a great CM because he can control a game with his passing.

 

What does being black have to do with anything?

 

I'm not going to carry on a discussion with somebody who is quite clearly unable to look past the fact that one player is of world class quality and the other is not.

 

My mate plays Sunday football in a similar style to Jamie Vardy (fast and pacey), comparisons can be made without actually discussing the quality of the players.

 

My point was and still is that Sissoko and Yaya are both better players when they play centrally and in an attacking position. You carry on reading stats from Football Manager and discussing the colour of their skin.

It's not the same as your Vardy example. Sissoko isn't really much like Yaya Toure. Sissoko creates by trying to run through people and his power and pace. Toure is also strong and fast but generally creates using his unbelievable technique rather than running through people like Sissoko

[Figures 1-0 Football]

Toure's strongest attributes are technical rather than physical.  Especially now.  He's scored 72 goals for Man City - I doubt more than a third are from dead ball situations.  I doubt he's scored more than 13 from free kicks. His free kicks rely on technique rather than power too.

 

Offensively Yaya is good at CM or AM.  At CM he can control a game at AM he can decide if.  He's not providing any defensive solidity as a CM either.

 

Yaya's passing and finishing - his technical ability is just as good as his physical.  Better in fact.  He doesn't dominate matches physically.  Sissoko's passing in general play is his biggest weakness while its Yaya's main strength.  Making it a s***, lazy comparison. Technically there's nothing Scholes could do that Yaya can't.  Sissoko can't say the same for Jonjo f***ing Shelvey.

 

I was talking about Sissoko possibly being good with a powerful free kick, if you care to read my post properly. Fwiw, 28 of Yaya's 72 goals have been from dead balls situations.

 

You sound like you do most of your scouting on Football Manager ("main strengths and weaknesses"), rather than actually watching games in practice. As I've said many times, you're looking too much into the difference in quality of the two players rather than their actual BEST playing style. You're ignoring the fact that in a majority of the games the players are playing in systems and tactical situations forced on them by their managers.

 

Sissoko's passing looks s*** because he is being played out of position on the wing in a team where he had to defend for 80 minutes, in a central role he would flourish and be a much better player.

 

Yaya Toure at his best is an AM. Moussa Sissoko at his best is an AM. They are both big powerful attacking midfielders. That is the point I've been making all along, you try to make silly counter arguments with a load of garble that isn't actually relevant to the point we are discussing

 

Comparing Moussa's playing style to Yaya is an insult to Yaya. 1 has brilliant technique, 1 of his main weapons. The other doesn't. Being black, strong and quick doesn't mean Sissoko can emulate any part of Yaya's game that doesn't include running.

 

Nothing you have said changes the fact Moussa Sissoko is not good in tight spaces and is an average to poor technically. Under any system he's best when there's space to run into and at his worst with the opposite. He played about 20 games as an AM and was absolutely awful in about 17 of them. He'd pick up the ball too close to other players and lose it. There's more space in wide areas and he has generally looked better there. He could perhaps play CM but severely lacks the technical ability to be successful there. He'll lose the ball a lot because he's not very good at passing.

 

Yaya Toure is  a CM just as much as he is an AM. Mancini & Pellegrini both used him more as a CM of some type. As is the case for Ivory Coast. He's a great CM because he can control a game with his passing.

 

What does being black have to do with anything?

 

I'm not going to carry on a discussion with somebody who is quite clearly unable to look past the fact that one player is of world class quality and the other is not.

 

My mate plays Sunday football in a similar style to Jamie Vardy (fast and pacey), comparisons can be made without actually discussing the quality of the players.

 

My point was and still is that Sissoko and Yaya are both better players when they play centrally and in an attacking position. You carry on reading stats from Football Manager and discussing the colour of their skin.

It's not the same as your Vardy example. Sissoko isn't really much like Yaya Toure. Sissoko creates by trying to run through people and his power and pace. Toure is also strong and fast but generally creates using his unbelievable technique rather than running through people like Sissoko

 

You've just explained my point in your own post by saying that they are both strong and fast. That is the point I was making. The comparison I made was that they are both strong and fast players who are best played in central attacking positions.

 

People are blinded by the fact that Sissoko has been ruined on the wing for four years, rather than looking at his better potential in the middle. If he was played through the middle, you'd find his passing and technique was a lot better and he wouldn't need to rely on his pace.