alexf Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 No worries, just think next time. Your right, i definately will try, dont loose the you're faith in me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M1tche Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 Why can not once just try 4-3-1-2 Debuchy Mbiwa Colo Santon Cabaye Anita Sissoko Ben Arfa Cisse. Remy/Gouffran I know people don't like hatem in there, but it can't be worse than what we play atm. Plus it's mainly square pegs in square holes. Gives our maverick a chance to roam wide, switch with a midfielder or switch with remy/Gouffran, teams would hate that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 I'd like to see that type of formation, I do worry about exposing Santon and Debuchy mind Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 Why can not once just try 4-3-1-2 Debuchy Mbiwa Colo Santon Cabaye Anita Sissoko Ben Arfa Cisse. Remy/Gouffran I know people don't like hatem in there, but it can't be worse than what we play atm. Plus it's mainly square pegs in square holes. Gives our maverick a chance to roam wide, switch with a midfielder or switch with remy/Gouffran, teams would hate that. I'd agree but its quite obvious we are trying to sign a winger so that type of formation is nothing more than fantasy at this point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M1tche Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 With our current players it the best system I can see. as for cover for full backs, it's a coaching thing more than personnel. One of cabaye and Anita, need to be coached that when a full back goes one of them fill the gap. Mainly Anita, but if he's I'm an advanced position it's cabaye's job. Then again pardew does the coaching and is not the fluid with it. So much unfulfilled potential in our side, it's frustrating to watch us play poor football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 With our current players it the best system I can see. as for cover for full backs, it's a coaching thing more than personnel. One of cabaye and Anita, need to be coached that when a full back goes one of them fill the gap. Mainly Anita, but if he's I'm an advanced position it's cabaye's job. Then again pardew does the coaching and is not the fluid with it. So much unfulfilled potential in our side, it's frustrating to watch us play poor football. no, they just have toi be aware whats happening and be in a position to cover it if necessary. some players do it naturally, some can be coached, some will never be able to do it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M1tche Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 With our current players it the best system I can see. as for cover for full backs, it's a coaching thing more than personnel. One of cabaye and Anita, need to be coached that when a full back goes one of them fill the gap. Mainly Anita, but if he's I'm an advanced position it's cabaye's job. Then again pardew does the coaching and is not the fluid with it. So much unfulfilled potential in our side, it's frustrating to watch us play poor football. no, they just have toi be aware whats happening and be in a position to cover it if necessary. some players do it naturally, some can be coached, some will never be able to do it. IMO someone who has come from the Ajax system as a dm will know that for sure and I'm sure cabaye can be coached/told to do it. I've played a few games at dm in my 18 years of playing and was once told to cover either full back if they bomb on, no coaching just told and i do it. so someone getting paid thousands a week should be able to do the same. It's part of the dm role and part of your role as a midfielder in a central 3 with no wingers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 With our current players it the best system I can see. as for cover for full backs, it's a coaching thing more than personnel. One of cabaye and Anita, need to be coached that when a full back goes one of them fill the gap. Mainly Anita, but if he's I'm an advanced position it's cabaye's job. Then again pardew does the coaching and is not the fluid with it. So much unfulfilled potential in our side, it's frustrating to watch us play poor football. no, they just have toi be aware whats happening and be in a position to cover it if necessary. some players do it naturally, some can be coached, some will never be able to do it. IMO someone who has come from the Ajax system as a dm will know that for sure and I'm sure cabaye can be coached/told to do it. I've played a few games at dm in my 18 years of playing and was once told to cover either full back if they bomb on, no coaching just told and i do it. so someone getting paid thousands a week should be able to do the same. It's part of the dm role and part of your role as a midfielder in a central 3 with no wingers thats all a bit football manager for me. each player should take up the optimum position for their team. if as a nominal DM and your full back attacks and you see a great opportunity to get forward you should do it and rely on your team mates to cover the full back. it's football, not chess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BONTEMPI Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 Why can not once just try 4-3-1-2 Debuchy Mbiwa Colo Santon Cabaye Anita Sissoko Ben Arfa Cisse. Remy/Gouffran I know people don't like hatem in there, but it can't be worse than what we play atm. Plus it's mainly square pegs in square holes. Gives our maverick a chance to roam wide, switch with a midfielder or switch with remy/Gouffran, teams would hate that. Like to see that, but Parpoo just wont with his limited mind. Also like to see Krul Debuchy Mbiwa Colo Santon Cabaye Sissoko Marveaux Ben Arfa Cisse Remy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 Why can not once just try 4-3-1-2 Debuchy Mbiwa Colo Santon Cabaye Anita Sissoko Ben Arfa Cisse. Remy/Gouffran I know people don't like hatem in there, but it can't be worse than what we play atm. Plus it's mainly square pegs in square holes. Gives our maverick a chance to roam wide, switch with a midfielder or switch with remy/Gouffran, teams would hate that. would you not be tempted, with that team, to give ben arfa and remy more licence to roam, swaitching sides etc ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M1tche Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 Why can not once just try 4-3-1-2 Debuchy Mbiwa Colo Santon Cabaye Anita Sissoko Ben Arfa Cisse. Remy/Gouffran I know people don't like hatem in there, but it can't be worse than what we play atm. Plus it's mainly square pegs in square holes. Gives our maverick a chance to roam wide, switch with a midfielder or switch with remy/Gouffran, teams would hate that. would you not be tempted, with that team, to give ben arfa and remy more licence to roam, swaitching sides etc ? The bit about our maverick is about Ben Arfa so yes, I would like him to do that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorin Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 I sincerely hope he'll stop putting Sissoko in dat hole, but I guess that's just an illusion of a dream that'll never come through Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddy Chibas Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 Sissoko was terrible at AM apart from 3 tremendous games early doors. He's more a wide man than an AM. He's not either. Yep he's a central midfielder who should be given license to get forward imo. Should be the driving-force (or runner), of the one-two passing sequences (with a touch passer like Cabaye and/or when Ben Arfa drifts inside looking for the ball) through the middle. I don't think he has a winger's trickery (on the dribble), to suck-in/draw-in & beat a defender/or fullback who is backpeddling ie. giving themselves a defensive cushion. Running the central corridor (getting into advanced positions with his pace & power, blowing past his man off-the-ball in passing moves involving one-twos etc) looks to be his forte. It's a pity (due to the current management of the team) that when i look at Player X, i'm always thinking something like 'jeez, that player would be a perfect fit for Club Y'. Sissoko has been the prime subject the last few days, in light of how Pardew is using him. I think he'd be perfect for Arsenal - Wenger's midfield is a little top-heavy with passers/finesse CMs, and i think his strengths would compliment the likes of Arteta. Managers like Wenger (whose management style on the training paddock is technique-based, and whose team ethos is all about fluidity between defense & attack, and vice versa) would be well advised to monitor Pardew's continued mismanagement of Sissoko. Moussa's body language didn't look good at the back-end of last season. Like a number of players, i don't think he believes in the manager's methods & tactical thinking & rigid/defensive mindset etc. In time (providing Pardew survives the chop, as the season progresses) we'll have a footballer in need of some drastic rehabilitation on the training paddock - you could argue that to be case now, and thus i think there's a potential gem for his next club. Anita falls into the same category imho. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 Bump. Worried that we've no apparent clue how to use him effectively. What does he do? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 I think he was used correctly in the first half against City. Problem was that he had no one in front of him who could help him only Benny to his right. We had no balance in the squad. I think him and Tiote centrally and Marv infront of them is the best we can do right now. Haven't seen enough of Anita before arriving at our club and for us he's had very very few good moment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 Honestly thought he was one of the better performers against City, although he switched off badly for the opening goal (tends to be a problem with central midfielders in general though, not just Sissoko). Needs to play the Diaby/Diame/Yaya role, basically, as a driving force from central midfield. This is what I assumed he was bought for in the first place. If we're going to go down the 4-4-2 route it could work, if we play a version similar to the one City now use in particular. He needs to reduce the frequency of his bursts, though, and play a more tactically astute game overall. It will come. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 Seems to me that both Hatem and Sissoko are capable of driving runs from deep, however, these seem to exist in isolation. There is usually nothing on for either player once they have made this break forward. No one knows what to do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 I was happy to see him used centrally on Monday. His best position, for me, and based on what I've seen so far, is the 'driving force' of a midfield three. I don't think he's got the technique or passing range to be the refined option in a two man midfield. If Cabaye wasn't such a nasty man, I think that's how we would have played it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 Honestly thought he was one of the better performers against City, although he switched off badly for the opening goal (tends to be a problem with central midfielders in general though, not just Sissoko). Needs to play the Diaby/Diame/Yaya role, basically, as a driving force from central midfield. This is what I assumed he was bought for in the first place. If we're going to go down the 4-4-2 route it could work, if we play a version similar to the one City now use. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 Honestly thought he was one of the better performers against City, although he switched off badly for the opening goal (tends to be a problem with central midfielders in general though, not just Sissoko). Needs to play the Diaby/Diame/Yaya role, basically, as a driving force from central midfield. This is what I assumed he was bought for in the first place. If we're going to go down the 4-4-2 route it could work, if we play a version similar to the one City now use in particular. He needs to reduce the frequency of his bursts, though, and play a more tactically astute game overall. It will come. Yup. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 Honestly thought he was one of the better performers against City, although he switched off badly for the opening goal (tends to be a problem with central midfielders in general though, not just Sissoko). Needs to play the Diaby/Diame/Yaya role, basically, as a driving force from central midfield. This is what I assumed he was bought for in the first place. If we're going to go down the 4-4-2 route it could work, if we play a version similar to the one City now use in particular. He needs to reduce the frequency of his bursts, though, and play a more tactically astute game overall. It will come. Sounds good. Assuming Cabaye leaves and Tiote stays, do you expect Sissoko will be in a midfield two? Last season I always felt the 4-2-3-1 was just Pardew trying to squeeze everyone in. I'm not convinced he's astute enough for anything more than a 4-4-2 long term. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 I noticed him shouting at team mates, which is a silver lining in any team. Sick of players shrugging shoulders after poor play. From what ive seen, we seem far too quiet on the pitch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 Get him a striker capable of trapping and holding up play with good link up skills and his deep runs will pay off. We instantly lose the ball if given to Cisse when he's being covered and opposition counters and we're left exposed because Debuchy and Santon are pushed up as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 Get him a striker capable of trapping and holding up play with good link up skills and his deep runs will pay off. We instantly lose the ball if given to Cisse when he's being covered and opposition counters and we're left exposed because Debuchy and Santon are pushed up as well. Think that and an offensive midfielder with playmaking ability and that will also take some attention off him will help a lot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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