Moussa Sissoko

[Paully]

 

This is probably one of the more boring conversations I've had on here I'll just change my original statement to "did f*** all" and leave it at that

 

Well said!

 

[BlackandWhite]

Payet got 3 goals and two assists in 6 appearances in the Euros which included one sub appearence. He also got into the official team of the tournement. But yeah he did f*** all............................

Are you deliberately being thick?

 

I could pose that same question to you.

 

So are you?

 

You're saying one of the players of the tournament done nothing when it mattered.

 

Well you've already been call out on your horseshit as somebody mentioned his performances in the group stage as a starter. He got a goal and an assist in the Romania match, would have been an embarrassing loss without him, and another goal and assist against Albania which would have been a horrible 0-0 draw without his contributions to the match. All while Mr Sissoko done f*** all.

 

After being called out on your ignorance you had a change of heart and changed your tone to 'ooh he done nothing when it mattered in the knockouts I meant'.

 

Really?

 

Because for starters he scored the third goal against Iceland. You can talk s*** about how it was an easy match and Iceland were awful and blah blah but you cannot tell me a third goal in any given match does not matter not least in a Quarter-Final of a major competition. We all know the cliche about two goal leads being dangerous, and there is some truth in it just look at when Norwich were beating us 1-3 the other month, but the third goal more often than not proves to be the ultimate game killer. Far more times teams coming back from 2 down than 3 down.

 

He also created more chances in the knockouts than any other player on the French team, as well as the tournament as a whole for France. Again you can talk s*** about how none of them lead to assists but that's out of his control. He can't make his teammate put it in the net that's up to them and their ability. Are you going to sit there and tell me that creating chances for your teammates does not matter???  How many chances did Sissoko create for his teammates?

 

Also do you really think the likes of Sir Alex Ferguson, who has far greater football knowledge and player judgement than you me or anyone on this forum, would handpick him for their team of the tournament based on two group games? Do you think they're dumb enough to do that and not look at the tournament as a whole?

 

It just seems to me as if some Newcastle fans feel bad that their club ripped Tottenham off and got a ridiculous fee off them for a s*** player. So they feel like they have to justify the 30m somehow by letting on Sissoko was outstanding and France's great big hero in Euro 2016 when in fact he done nothing of significance in the 4 games he started and 2 games he came off the bench for. He was s***, just not as s*** as he normally was for Newcastle, but still s***.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

The amount of words there is out of proportion to the importance of this debate. The universe must be realigned.

[TRon]

The amount of words there is out of proportion to the importance of this debate. The universe must be realigned.

 

It's what happens when personal dislike of a player starts interfering with rational thought. I still remember the vitriol which used to be aimed at Dyer because he was considered too big for his boots. If overvaluing Sissoko means we got £30m for him rather than £3m then put me firmly in the former camp. If Spurs hadn't took him then Everton would have. We won.

[triggs]

Payet got 3 goals and two assists in 6 appearances in the Euros which included one sub appearence. He also got into the official team of the tournement. But yeah he did f*** all............................

Are you deliberately being thick?

 

I could pose that same question to you.

 

So are you?

 

You're saying one of the players of the tournament done nothing when it mattered.

 

Well you've already been call out on your horseshit as somebody mentioned his performances in the group stage as a starter. He got a goal and an assist in the Romania match, would have been an embarrassing loss without him, and another goal and assist against Albania which would have been a horrible 0-0 draw without his contributions to the match. All while Mr Sissoko done f*** all.

 

After being called out on your ignorance you had a change of heart and changed your tone to 'ooh he done nothing when it mattered in the knockouts I meant'.

 

Really?

 

Because for starters he scored the third goal against Iceland. You can talk s*** about how it was an easy match and Iceland were awful and blah blah but you cannot tell me a third goal in any given match does not matter not least in a Quarter-Final of a major competition. We all know the cliche about two goal leads being dangerous, and there is some truth in it just look at when Norwich were beating us 1-3 the other month, but the third goal more often than not proves to be the ultimate game killer. Far more times teams coming back from 2 down than 3 down.

 

He also created more chances in the knockouts than any other player on the French team, as well as the tournament as a whole for France. Again you can talk s*** about how none of them lead to assists but that's out of his control. He can't make his teammate put it in the net that's up to them and their ability. Are you going to sit there and tell me that creating chances for your teammates does not matter???  How many chances did Sissoko create for his teammates?

 

Also do you really think the likes of Sir Alex Ferguson, who has far greater football knowledge and player judgement than you me or anyone on this forum, would handpick him for their team of the tournament based on two group games? Do you think they're dumb enough to do that and not look at the tournament as a whole?

 

It just seems to me as if some Newcastle fans feel bad that their club ripped Tottenham off and got a ridiculous fee off them for a s*** player. So they feel like they have to justify the 30m somehow by letting on Sissoko was outstanding and France's great big hero in Euro 2016 when in fact he done nothing of significance in the 4 games he started and 2 games he came off the bench for. He was s***, just not as s*** as he normally was for Newcastle, but still s***.

Are you really telling me a player in the French team did it when it really mattered by scoring against Romania, Albania and Iceland? Pity he did fuck all against the two decent teams they played which is when Sissoko performed well

[Figures 1-0 Football]

Saying Sissoko was good at the Euros is Danny Mills like.

 

Sissoko did what Sissoko always does, runs a lot. He'd be a star as a replacement for Forrest Gump but not as a footballer. He was as average-poor at the Euros as he has always been and certainly nowhere near as good as Payet.

[Hanshithispantz]

Payet was light-years ahead of Sissoko in the Euros, absolutely pointless trying to suggest otherwise

 

Sissoko did a cross against Ireland and had 2 shots against Portugal. That's literally it.

[triggs]

Saying Sissoko was good at the Euros is Danny Mills like.

 

Sissoko did what Sissoko always does, runs a lot. He'd be a star as a replacement for Forrest Gump but not as a footballer. He was as average-poor at the Euros as he has always been and certainly nowhere near as good as Payet.

He was better than Payet against the good teams basically while Payet was better against the shit teams

[triggs]

Payet was light-years ahead of Sissoko in the Euros, absolutely pointless trying to suggest otherwise

 

Sissoko did a cross against Ireland and had 2 shots against Portugal. That's literally it.

And won the ball and drove up the field loads of times and then gave the ball to the more talented players. He didn't play as an attacker for France, he was used as a player to get the ball up the pitch quickly by carrying it and giving it to the more talented players. Its like complaining about Xavi not getting that many goals and assists when he is usually the one who is giving the ball to the likes of Messi and Iniesta in better positions.

 

Not saying Sissoko is anywhere near as good as Xavi or a similar type of player btw

[Hanshithispantz]

Aye the few runs he did against Portugal in the final probably don't outweigh the 5 goals Payet was directly involved in like, regardless of the opposition or stage of the competition.

[triggs]

Aye the few runs he did against Portugal in the final probably don't outweigh the 5 goals Payet was directly involved in like, regardless of the opposition or stage of the competition.

Aye I've already said Payet was better against the shit teams in games they could afford not to win/when the game was already over.

 

[Hanshithispantz]

It really hurts you seeing Sissoko being called shite doesn't it?

[Figures 1-0 Football]

Payet scoring a last minute goal in the first match classed as unimportant yet Sissoko doing a lot of running in the final two games is 'good'

 

I've heard it all.

[triggs]

It really hurts you seeing Sissoko being called shite doesn't it?

Nah he's been shit for Spurs so far, was shit in many games during his time here and isn't a very good footballer.

 

This conversation is about Payet not Sissoko. Payet did nothing in the knockout rounds and people have him down as one of the best players in the tournament because of his performances against much worse teams. Same with van Persie in the last World Cup when people said he played well despite him scoring a few nice goals in the group stages and doing nothing in the knockouts while Robben carried that team throughout the tournament

[Mole_Toonfan]

Don't know why Triggs is saying is so controversial tbh, he's right in the KO stages Payet did fuck all. I don't think Sissoko was particularly good either tbh, but he was probably more impactful to the teams overall result and performances than Payet was in the KO stages.

 

Don't think either were particularly good mind and it's a silly argument, France got to the final pretty much because of good defensive organisation and arguably the best finisher in world football banging in timely goals.

[triggs]

Payet scoring a last minute goal in the first match classed as unimportant yet Sissoko doing a lot of running in the final two games is 'good'

 

I've heard it all.

Odd that he would get so much praise for his performances if all he did was run, mind

[triggs]

Don't know why Triggs is saying is so controversial tbh, he's right in the KO stages Payet did fuck all. I don't think Sissoko was particularly good either tbh, but he was probably more impactful to the teams overall result and performances than Payet was in the KO stages.

 

Don't think either were particularly good mind and it's a silly argument, France got to the final pretty much because of good defensive organisation and arguably the best finisher in world football banging in timely goals.

It isn't controversial at all. People read what they want to read rather than what's actually there and then go mental based on that

[BlackandWhite]

Payet - Created the most chances out of the entire squad for France in the knockouts

 

Sissoko - Had one shot wide and one on target against Portugal and ran a lot. Passed the ball a few times to other players (the very basics of football)

 

Sissoko for me, like.

 

Also if Sissoko was so good defensively were's the backup for this? How many successful interceptions and tackles he make during the two games against Portugal and Germany for example? He definitely done fuck all offensively that's clear, but I can't remember him doing much defensively either. Please do enlighten me. I will gladly swallow any pride and admit I misjudged his defensive contributions if you can prove he was defensively outstanding.

[triggs]

Payet - Created the most chances out of the entire squad for France in the knockouts

 

Sissoko - Had one shot wide and one on target against Portugal and ran a lot. Passed the ball a few times to other players (the very basics of football)

 

Sissoko for me, like.

 

Also if Sissoko was so good defensively were's the backup for this? How many successful interceptions and tackles he make during the two games against Portugal and Germany for example? He definitely done fuck all offensively that's clear, but I can't remember him doing much defensively either. Please do enlighten me. I will gladly swallow any pride and admit I misjudged his defensive contributions if you can prove he was defensively outstanding.

Unless you score or assist are you doing fuck all offensively? Did Xavi do fuck all offensively? You'd have to ask why he was starting and why he got such rave reviews if he did fuck all defensively and offensively

[Hanshithispantz]

He got rave reviews by the same muppets who priced him at £30m

[Disco]

No goals and no assists make Moussa a very naughty boy.

[Hanshithispantz]

Don't know why Triggs is saying is so controversial tbh, he's right in the KO stages Payet did fuck all. I don't think Sissoko was particularly good either tbh, but he was probably more impactful to the teams overall result and performances than Payet was in the KO stages.

 

Don't think either were particularly good mind and it's a silly argument, France got to the final pretty much because of good defensive organisation and arguably the best finisher in world football banging in timely goals.

And Payet dragging them out of the group stages.

 

Payet was a lot better than Sissoko at the Euros, honestly I don't even know why anyone is trying to suggest otherwise (or that it's even close)

[triggs]

Don't know why Triggs is saying is so controversial tbh, he's right in the KO stages Payet did fuck all. I don't think Sissoko was particularly good either tbh, but he was probably more impactful to the teams overall result and performances than Payet was in the KO stages.

 

Don't think either were particularly good mind and it's a silly argument, France got to the final pretty much because of good defensive organisation and arguably the best finisher in world football banging in timely goals.

And Payet dragging them out of the group stages.

 

Payet was a lot better than Sissoko at the Euros, honestly I don't even know why anyone is trying to suggest otherwise (or that it's even close)

They would have got out of the group stages anyway. Nobody is trying to suggest Sissoko was better over the course of the tournament, Sissoko was better against the better teams though.

[triggs]

He got rave reviews by the same muppets who priced him at £30m

Rafa seemed to rate him at £30m too

[Hanshithispantz]

That's not how it works.