ExiledGeordie Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Enough with the Taylor bashing. People make him out to be a liability because they want Yanga-Mbiwa to play. I too want him ahead of Taylor, but I've seen Taylor labelled all sorts of things today. His performance yesterday wasn't below par as some seem to suggest and even if he's not the calming influence Coloccini is, his application and determination comes in very handy when we're under pressure. And now he's being blamed for our hoofing too? Please. Well said Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Icke - Son of God Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 I thought Taylor was fine last night. Better than fine actually. I'm sure MYM will come in eventually though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Enough with the Taylor bashing. People make him out to be a liability because they want Yanga-Mbiwa to play. I too want him ahead of Taylor, but I've seen Taylor labelled all sorts of things today. His performance yesterday wasn't below par as some seem to suggest and even if he's not the calming influence Coloccini is, his application and determination comes in very handy when we're under pressure. And now he's being blamed for our hoofing too? Please. He was poor last night and was absolutely dominated in the air by Benteke, if Williamson put in a similar performance you wouldn't hear the end of it. He's not a lliability, far from it but he was poor last night and quite frankly Mbiwa is superior in almost every department. There's no reason for him to start unless Colo or Mbiwa gets injured. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Enough with the Taylor bashing. People make him out to be a liability because they want Yanga-Mbiwa to play. I too want him ahead of Taylor, but I've seen Taylor labelled all sorts of things today. His performance yesterday wasn't below par as some seem to suggest and even if he's not the calming influence Coloccini is, his application and determination comes in very handy when we're under pressure. And now he's being blamed for our hoofing too? Please. He was poor last night and was absolutely dominated in the air by Benteke, if Williamson put in a similar performance you wouldn't hear the end of it. He's not a lliability, far from it but he was poor last night and quite frankly Mbiwa is superior in almost every department. There's no reason for him to start unless Colo or Mbiwa gets injured. Benteke will dominate the majority of defenders in the air Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 I rate Taylor but he's just not made for the Chelsea game, he lacks pace and agility. MYM should start as he's simply a better fit for the players we're going to come against. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
indi Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Enough with the Taylor bashing. People make him out to be a liability because they want Yanga-Mbiwa to play. I too want him ahead of Taylor, but I've seen Taylor labelled all sorts of things today. His performance yesterday wasn't below par as some seem to suggest and even if he's not the calming influence Coloccini is, his application and determination comes in very handy when we're under pressure. And now he's being blamed for our hoofing too? Please. People always say that Taylor makes some good last ditch tackles and blocks, without considering why he's having to make those kind of interventions. Quite a large part of the reason is because of the way he plays, he invites pressure by continually backing off and lets the opposition get forward into a dangerous position before doing anything about it. If he was more composed a la Coloccini then he would either intervene earlier in a position where even if he got it wrong and gave away either the ball or a foul it wouldn't matter much, or shepherd the opposition player away from danger, rather than letting them advance towards goal which is what he does normally. When we're on top of a game or it's pretty even it's not a huge deal because Colo's calming influence can win out, but when we're under concerted pressure in a game, like we were last night, his style of play doesn't alleviate that it amplifies it. I'm not blaming him for what happened last night, the whole team was panicking throughout the second half, not just him, what I'm saying is that I think Yanga-Mbiwa might have been able to calm the rest of them down, whereas Taylor's never going to be able to do that. Don't get me wrong, he's not bad, but now that we have two good centre backs at the club, why would you play a not bad one ahead of them? I'm more than happy with his position at the club if as it seems is likely he's going to provide willing and able cover for Colo and Mapou, but if Colo goes in the summer then we absolutely must get someone else in to play in front of him and Williamson. I think the fact he started last night had much more to do with things outside of pure footballing reasons than it did with putting out the best team available to us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Enough with the Taylor bashing. People make him out to be a liability because they want Yanga-Mbiwa to play. I too want him ahead of Taylor, but I've seen Taylor labelled all sorts of things today. His performance yesterday wasn't below par as some seem to suggest and even if he's not the calming influence Coloccini is, his application and determination comes in very handy when we're under pressure. And now he's being blamed for our hoofing too? Please. People always say that Taylor makes some good last ditch tackles and blocks, without considering why he's having to make those kind of interventions. Quite a large part of the reason is because of the way he plays, he invites pressure by continually backing off and lets the opposition get forward into a dangerous position before doing anything about it. If he was more composed a la Coloccini then he would either intervene earlier in a position where even if he got it wrong and gave away either the ball or a foul it wouldn't matter much, or shepherd the opposition player away from danger, rather than letting them advance towards goal which is what he does normally. When we're on top of a game or it's pretty even it's not a huge deal because Colo's calming influence can win out, but when we're under concerted pressure in a game, like we were last night, his style of play doesn't alleviate that it amplifies it. I'm not blaming him for what happened last night, the whole team was panicking throughout the second half, not just him, what I'm saying is that I think Yanga-Mbiwa might have been able to calm the rest of them down, whereas Taylor's never going to be able to do that. Don't get me wrong, he's not bad, but now that we have two good centre backs at the club, why would you play a not bad one ahead of them? I'm more than happy with his position at the club if as it seems is likely he's going to provide willing and able cover for Colo and Mapou, but if Colo goes in the summer then we absolutely must get someone else in to play in front of him and Williamson. I think the fact he started last night had much more to do with things outside of pure footballing reasons than it did with putting out the best team available to us. most of the reason for the last ditch tackles are when someone breaks off someone else and taylor has had to cover. it's rarely the man he was marking that he has had to last ditch tackle and for what it's worth colo done little last night to alleviate any pressure, for all his composed nature he wasn't any better than taylor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Colo wasn't better? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest fraser Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Enough with the Taylor bashing. People make him out to be a liability because they want Yanga-Mbiwa to play. I too want him ahead of Taylor, but I've seen Taylor labelled all sorts of things today. His performance yesterday wasn't below par as some seem to suggest and even if he's not the calming influence Coloccini is, his application and determination comes in very handy when we're under pressure. And now he's being blamed for our hoofing too? Please. He was poor last night and was absolutely dominated in the air by Benteke, if Williamson put in a similar performance you wouldn't hear the end of it. He's not a lliability, far from it but he was poor last night and quite frankly Mbiwa is superior in almost every department. There's no reason for him to start unless Colo or Mbiwa gets injured. Benteke dominated Taylor? What rubbish! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Colo wasn't better? i realise thats the default setting for everyone but no he wasn't, both had little to do in the first half and looked ropey in the second. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudil Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 scrolling and seen his name, forgot this guy singed for us man still a little surreal this one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Colo wasn't better? i realise thats the default setting for everyone but no he wasn't, both had little to do in the first half and looked ropey in the second. I don't use these so called 'default settings'. Colo wasn't at his very very best, but still better than Taylor, in my non default setting opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
indi Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Enough with the Taylor bashing. People make him out to be a liability because they want Yanga-Mbiwa to play. I too want him ahead of Taylor, but I've seen Taylor labelled all sorts of things today. His performance yesterday wasn't below par as some seem to suggest and even if he's not the calming influence Coloccini is, his application and determination comes in very handy when we're under pressure. And now he's being blamed for our hoofing too? Please. People always say that Taylor makes some good last ditch tackles and blocks, without considering why he's having to make those kind of interventions. Quite a large part of the reason is because of the way he plays, he invites pressure by continually backing off and lets the opposition get forward into a dangerous position before doing anything about it. If he was more composed a la Coloccini then he would either intervene earlier in a position where even if he got it wrong and gave away either the ball or a foul it wouldn't matter much, or shepherd the opposition player away from danger, rather than letting them advance towards goal which is what he does normally. When we're on top of a game or it's pretty even it's not a huge deal because Colo's calming influence can win out, but when we're under concerted pressure in a game, like we were last night, his style of play doesn't alleviate that it amplifies it. I'm not blaming him for what happened last night, the whole team was panicking throughout the second half, not just him, what I'm saying is that I think Yanga-Mbiwa might have been able to calm the rest of them down, whereas Taylor's never going to be able to do that. Don't get me wrong, he's not bad, but now that we have two good centre backs at the club, why would you play a not bad one ahead of them? I'm more than happy with his position at the club if as it seems is likely he's going to provide willing and able cover for Colo and Mapou, but if Colo goes in the summer then we absolutely must get someone else in to play in front of him and Williamson. I think the fact he started last night had much more to do with things outside of pure footballing reasons than it did with putting out the best team available to us. most of the reason for the last ditch tackles are when someone breaks off someone else and taylor has had to cover. it's rarely the man he was marking that he has had to last ditch tackle and for what it's worth colo done little last night to alleviate any pressure, for all his composed nature he wasn't any better than taylor. Yeah, like I said, they were all shit in the second half, including Colo, but he's not usually like that, is he, and I haven't just come to this conclusion after watching last night's game, you know. As for the last ditch tackles, well that may be so, but notice how often it's Taylor standing a metre or two behind the rest who's playing them onside in the first place. More often than not that's exactly what happens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Enough with the Taylor bashing. People make him out to be a liability because they want Yanga-Mbiwa to play. I too want him ahead of Taylor, but I've seen Taylor labelled all sorts of things today. His performance yesterday wasn't below par as some seem to suggest and even if he's not the calming influence Coloccini is, his application and determination comes in very handy when we're under pressure. And now he's being blamed for our hoofing too? Please. People always say that Taylor makes some good last ditch tackles and blocks, without considering why he's having to make those kind of interventions. Quite a large part of the reason is because of the way he plays, he invites pressure by continually backing off and lets the opposition get forward into a dangerous position before doing anything about it. If he was more composed a la Coloccini then he would either intervene earlier in a position where even if he got it wrong and gave away either the ball or a foul it wouldn't matter much, or shepherd the opposition player away from danger, rather than letting them advance towards goal which is what he does normally. When we're on top of a game or it's pretty even it's not a huge deal because Colo's calming influence can win out, but when we're under concerted pressure in a game, like we were last night, his style of play doesn't alleviate that it amplifies it. I'm not blaming him for what happened last night, the whole team was panicking throughout the second half, not just him, what I'm saying is that I think Yanga-Mbiwa might have been able to calm the rest of them down, whereas Taylor's never going to be able to do that. Don't get me wrong, he's not bad, but now that we have two good centre backs at the club, why would you play a not bad one ahead of them? I'm more than happy with his position at the club if as it seems is likely he's going to provide willing and able cover for Colo and Mapou, but if Colo goes in the summer then we absolutely must get someone else in to play in front of him and Williamson. I think the fact he started last night had much more to do with things outside of pure footballing reasons than it did with putting out the best team available to us. most of the reason for the last ditch tackles are when someone breaks off someone else and taylor has had to cover. it's rarely the man he was marking that he has had to last ditch tackle and for what it's worth colo done little last night to alleviate any pressure, for all his composed nature he wasn't any better than taylor. Yeah, like I said, they were all s*** in the second half, including Colo, but he's not usually like that, is he, and I haven't just come to this conclusion after watching last night's game, you know. As for the last ditch tackles, well that may be so, but notice how often it's Taylor standing a metre or two behind the rest who's playing them onside in the first place. More often than not that's exactly what happens. and taylor isn't usually shit either. the last ditch tackles bit is getting silly now. someone's mentioned he makes decent last ditch tackles and you can't deny it so you are trying to find ways to make it negative. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Colo wasn't better? i realise thats the default setting for everyone but no he wasn't, both had little to do in the first half and looked ropey in the second. I don't use these so called 'default settings'. Colo wasn't at his very very best, but still better than Taylor, in my non default setting opinion. i couldn't put one above the other, neither had what you'd call a good game, neither gave confidence to the rest of the team, both looked shaky. all thats missing now is for the call that colo was shaky because of having taylor alongside him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Has to start against Chelsea. He's a class above Taylor who, while not horrible against Villa, didn't exactly look composed either. There was one point in the second half where he got very lucky. Big high looping ball into the box from a free kick that Taylor looked in great position to deal with pretty routinely, instead he sort of gradually fell over and was only saved by the fact that Benteke wasn't really on the ball either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Has to start against Chelsea. He's a class above Taylor who, while not horrible against Villa, didn't exactly look composed either. There was one point in the second half where he got very lucky. Big high looping ball into the box from a free kick that Taylor looked in great position to deal with pretty routinely, instead he sort of gradually fell over and was only saved by the fact that Benteke wasn't really on the ball either. he needs to start against chelsea because he is much more fitting to that style. if we were playing stoke i'd still be tempted to play taylor, maybe even instead of colo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Has to start against Chelsea. He's a class above Taylor who, while not horrible against Villa, didn't exactly look composed either. There was one point in the second half where he got very lucky. Big high looping ball into the box from a free kick that Taylor looked in great position to deal with pretty routinely, instead he sort of gradually fell over and was only saved by the fact that Benteke wasn't really on the ball either. he needs to start against chelsea because he is much more fitting to that style. if we were playing stoke i'd still be tempted to play taylor, maybe even instead of colo. You'd be tempted to drop Colo? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliemort Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 I rate Taylor but thought he was terrible last night,luckily Bentekes finishing was awful.Would definently start Mbiwa against chelsea Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Has to start against Chelsea. He's a class above Taylor who, while not horrible against Villa, didn't exactly look composed either. There was one point in the second half where he got very lucky. Big high looping ball into the box from a free kick that Taylor looked in great position to deal with pretty routinely, instead he sort of gradually fell over and was only saved by the fact that Benteke wasn't really on the ball either. he needs to start against chelsea because he is much more fitting to that style. if we were playing stoke i'd still be tempted to play taylor, maybe even instead of colo. You'd be tempted to drop Colo? yes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tooj Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Against a team like Stoke I can totally see where madras is coming from. We know Taylor's not the best when coming up against pace. Whereas against Stoke he wouldn't get exposed for pace and his type of game or battle if you like is suited to playing against Stoke, certainly more than Colo's game is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
indi Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Enough with the Taylor bashing. People make him out to be a liability because they want Yanga-Mbiwa to play. I too want him ahead of Taylor, but I've seen Taylor labelled all sorts of things today. His performance yesterday wasn't below par as some seem to suggest and even if he's not the calming influence Coloccini is, his application and determination comes in very handy when we're under pressure. And now he's being blamed for our hoofing too? Please. People always say that Taylor makes some good last ditch tackles and blocks, without considering why he's having to make those kind of interventions. Quite a large part of the reason is because of the way he plays, he invites pressure by continually backing off and lets the opposition get forward into a dangerous position before doing anything about it. If he was more composed a la Coloccini then he would either intervene earlier in a position where even if he got it wrong and gave away either the ball or a foul it wouldn't matter much, or shepherd the opposition player away from danger, rather than letting them advance towards goal which is what he does normally. When we're on top of a game or it's pretty even it's not a huge deal because Colo's calming influence can win out, but when we're under concerted pressure in a game, like we were last night, his style of play doesn't alleviate that it amplifies it. I'm not blaming him for what happened last night, the whole team was panicking throughout the second half, not just him, what I'm saying is that I think Yanga-Mbiwa might have been able to calm the rest of them down, whereas Taylor's never going to be able to do that. Don't get me wrong, he's not bad, but now that we have two good centre backs at the club, why would you play a not bad one ahead of them? I'm more than happy with his position at the club if as it seems is likely he's going to provide willing and able cover for Colo and Mapou, but if Colo goes in the summer then we absolutely must get someone else in to play in front of him and Williamson. I think the fact he started last night had much more to do with things outside of pure footballing reasons than it did with putting out the best team available to us. most of the reason for the last ditch tackles are when someone breaks off someone else and taylor has had to cover. it's rarely the man he was marking that he has had to last ditch tackle and for what it's worth colo done little last night to alleviate any pressure, for all his composed nature he wasn't any better than taylor. Yeah, like I said, they were all s*** in the second half, including Colo, but he's not usually like that, is he, and I haven't just come to this conclusion after watching last night's game, you know. As for the last ditch tackles, well that may be so, but notice how often it's Taylor standing a metre or two behind the rest who's playing them onside in the first place. More often than not that's exactly what happens. and taylor isn't usually shit either. the last ditch tackles bit is getting silly now. someone's mentioned he makes decent last ditch tackles and you can't deny it so you are trying to find ways to make it negative. Care to point out where I said he is usually shit? What I'm actually trying to do is state my opinion and then respond to the points made by those who have argued against it, that's kinda supposed to be the whole point of a forum, at least I thought it was. Must remember for next time someone disagrees with me to simply call him a cunt and have done with it, this is not the right place for discussion, I see. I never even tried to deny it, you would know that if you'd actually read what I said. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Thankfully the CB position isn't something we need to worry about any more. Williamson is sufficiently down the pecking order and it's surely only a matter of time before MYM takes over from Taylor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Enough with the Taylor bashing. People make him out to be a liability because they want Yanga-Mbiwa to play. I too want him ahead of Taylor, but I've seen Taylor labelled all sorts of things today. His performance yesterday wasn't below par as some seem to suggest and even if he's not the calming influence Coloccini is, his application and determination comes in very handy when we're under pressure. And now he's being blamed for our hoofing too? Please. People always say that Taylor makes some good last ditch tackles and blocks, without considering why he's having to make those kind of interventions. Quite a large part of the reason is because of the way he plays, he invites pressure by continually backing off and lets the opposition get forward into a dangerous position before doing anything about it. If he was more composed a la Coloccini then he would either intervene earlier in a position where even if he got it wrong and gave away either the ball or a foul it wouldn't matter much, or shepherd the opposition player away from danger, rather than letting them advance towards goal which is what he does normally. When we're on top of a game or it's pretty even it's not a huge deal because Colo's calming influence can win out, but when we're under concerted pressure in a game, like we were last night, his style of play doesn't alleviate that it amplifies it. I'm not blaming him for what happened last night, the whole team was panicking throughout the second half, not just him, what I'm saying is that I think Yanga-Mbiwa might have been able to calm the rest of them down, whereas Taylor's never going to be able to do that. Don't get me wrong, he's not bad, but now that we have two good centre backs at the club, why would you play a not bad one ahead of them? I'm more than happy with his position at the club if as it seems is likely he's going to provide willing and able cover for Colo and Mapou, but if Colo goes in the summer then we absolutely must get someone else in to play in front of him and Williamson. I think the fact he started last night had much more to do with things outside of pure footballing reasons than it did with putting out the best team available to us. most of the reason for the last ditch tackles are when someone breaks off someone else and taylor has had to cover. it's rarely the man he was marking that he has had to last ditch tackle and for what it's worth colo done little last night to alleviate any pressure, for all his composed nature he wasn't any better than taylor. Yeah, like I said, they were all s*** in the second half, including Colo, but he's not usually like that, is he, and I haven't just come to this conclusion after watching last night's game, you know. As for the last ditch tackles, well that may be so, but notice how often it's Taylor standing a metre or two behind the rest who's playing them onside in the first place. More often than not that's exactly what happens. and taylor isn't usually s*** either. the last ditch tackles bit is getting silly now. someone's mentioned he makes decent last ditch tackles and you can't deny it so you are trying to find ways to make it negative. Care to point out where I said he is usually s***? What I'm actually trying to do is state my opinion and then respond to the points made by those who have argued against it, that's kinda supposed to be the whole point of a forum, at least I thought it was. Must remember for next time someone disagrees with me to simply call him a c*** and have done with it, this is not the right place for discussion, I see. I never even tried to deny it, you would know that if you'd actually read what I said. i took it when you said they were all shit but colo isn't usually like that thet you were inferring that taylor is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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