Greg Posted October 11, 2014 Share Posted October 11, 2014 Problem with all this is Mbiwa, for whatever reason never looked like a quality defender for us. Not true. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenige Posted October 11, 2014 Share Posted October 11, 2014 Problem with all this is Mbiwa, for whatever reason never looked like a quality defender for us. Not true. Go on then, I'll bite. Which of these games did he look like a 'quality defender' for us? - http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/mapou-yanga-mbiwa/leistungsdaten/spieler/57480/saison/2013 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted October 11, 2014 Share Posted October 11, 2014 Problem with all this is Mbiwa, for whatever reason never looked like a quality defender for us. Not true. Go on then, I'll bite. Which of these games did he look like a 'quality defender' for us? - http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/mapou-yanga-mbiwa/leistungsdaten/spieler/57480/saison/2013 There are certainly a few games in there, and the season before, where he looked quality at centre back. You also have to take into account who he had along side him. To say he never looked like a quality defender at all in his time here is simply not true. He had some shockers at times, for sure, he was also often playing alongside a clown and was messed around so much with being played at full back on both sides at times. He's a quality player and showed that at times, needed time to settle in and not be messed around so much by an incompetent manager. Shame really, I'd rather have him in my side than Coloccini right now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted October 11, 2014 Share Posted October 11, 2014 Between November and January Yanga-Mbiwa was our best defender, him and williamson is our best partnership. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallace Posted October 11, 2014 Share Posted October 11, 2014 Coloccini was poor in his first season for us and he was playing most games in his correct position. Had we bought him under Pardew, he would probably have never been given the opportunities to settle into the English game either. Someone on here said that the club thought MYM was a bit weird which if true is probably the real reason they have got rid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted October 11, 2014 Share Posted October 11, 2014 Tell me other than Everton when did he play badly at CB last season. Not his fault that after keeping consecutive clean sheets against two top 6 teams he was dropped for no reason, neither is it his fault that he's not a RB. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenige Posted October 11, 2014 Share Posted October 11, 2014 Between November and January Yanga-Mbiwa was our best defender, him and williamson is our best partnership. Looking at that, he only played three times between November and the start of January of which he played one at right-back. In January he played RB twice and CB for 25 minutes when losing to WBA. In one of the games where we won and kept a clean sheet, our goalkeeper had to make a record amount of saves in a Premier League match. In the other our defence was playing against a completely out of sorts looking Torres, and we were lucky when a unmarked Terry header hit the bar and one where Santon cleared off the line. I'm not doubting he has quality, but I think he's a benefactor of the "he's not here but he's better than what we've got." In too many games I've watched he's played he's looked like a mistake waiting to happen and I just can't say a defender like that can be considered a quality defender. But it's just my opinion, I don't expect everyone to agree with me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted October 11, 2014 Share Posted October 11, 2014 He's a footballing defender, he's not suited to playing as Pardew demands - backs to the wall, give the ball away when possible, grind the game out, bore everybody to death. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted October 11, 2014 Share Posted October 11, 2014 He's a footballing defender, he's not suited to playing as Pardew demands - backs to the wall, give the ball away when possible, grind the game out, bore everybody to death. Coloccini's even less suited to that than him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainhaircut Posted October 11, 2014 Share Posted October 11, 2014 He's a footballing defender, he's not suited to playing as Pardew demands - backs to the wall, give the ball away when possible, grind the game out, bore everybody to death. Strange that his best performances were against Chelsea and Spurs then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted October 11, 2014 Share Posted October 11, 2014 He's a footballing defender, he's not suited to playing as Pardew demands - backs to the wall, give the ball away when possible, grind the game out, bore everybody to death. Coloccini's even less suited to that than him. Dude, it's getting weird now. Like the crazy guy on Alan Partridge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted October 11, 2014 Share Posted October 11, 2014 He's a footballing defender, he's not suited to playing as Pardew demands - backs to the wall, give the ball away when possible, grind the game out, bore everybody to death. Strange that his best performances were against Chelsea and Spurs then. Not really, although I think Spurs is labouring the point given Krul's performance. Great overhead off the line though. I'd expect him to do better against teams who keep it on the ground. I'm not knocking him. He'd be one of the first names of the teamsheet if I had my way but then my way wouldn't involve playing this nihilistic football that the manager insists on. Pardew's football doesn't suit good footballers, full stop, no matter what position they play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted October 11, 2014 Share Posted October 11, 2014 He's a footballing defender, he's not suited to playing as Pardew demands - backs to the wall, give the ball away when possible, grind the game out, bore everybody to death. Coloccini's even less suited to that than him. Dude, it's getting weird now. Like the crazy guy on Alan Partridge. What's crazier is people pretending that Coloccini isn't a big part of the reason our best defender is at Roma and the fact we're going down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonTastic Posted October 11, 2014 Share Posted October 11, 2014 He isn't, that's all Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted October 11, 2014 Share Posted October 11, 2014 It isn't 'all Pardew' that Coloccini can no longer defend. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 He's a footballing defender, he's not suited to playing as Pardew demands - backs to the wall, give the ball away when possible, grind the game out, bore everybody to death. Exactly. You watch him for Roma and it's as if the keeper has been ordered to pass it out to him, regardless of the situation. They are exploiting the hell out the fact they have a ball-playing CB. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samag Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Yeah right - I am sure he would jump at the chance: http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/newcastle-united-should-pull-out-7918435 Cannot do any worse than the current lot. Just cannot see him coming back, why would anyone want to leave Roma for this current shower. I am sure he will think he has moved onwards and upwards with his move to Roma. Only thing I cannot see Ashley selling at a loss if his form continues, so hopefully we will get a good fee for him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpal78 Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 It isn't 'all Pardew' that Coloccini can no longer defend. It's not Coloccini's fault that he's done as a footballer. It's Pardew's fault that he keeps choosing him (as captain no less) and got rid of our best defender. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 You don't think there's a lack of effort there? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 This is getting into thread hijack territory now. You hate Colo, we get it. And honestly, you've convinced us, and your campaign to change hearts and minds about the argentine has been successful. Speaking purely for me. But I do get it in a way, I feel like a broken record about HBA, and can see people saying the above to me. Back to Mbiwa. No doubt about it, he's gone, not coming back, and we are possibly going down with the two clowns in the center of defense and the head honcho in the dugout. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 A new manager with an ounce of sense would try to bring him back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonTastic Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 It isn't 'all Pardew' that Coloccini can no longer defend. It's not Coloccini's fault that he's done as a footballer. It's Pardew's fault that he keeps choosing him (as captain no less) and got rid of our best defender. Exactly my point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 A new manager with an ounce of sense would try to bring him back. Too bad it's not possible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest thenorthumbrian Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 A new manager with an ounce of sense would try to bring him back. A proper manager would have got the best out of him for United in the first place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Aye then we'd be selling him for £14m a couple of months ago rather than loaning him out then selling for £4m. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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