Who would you go for?

[Dave]

This "nobody would take this job" crack is entirely tedious. Look of many of the world's biggest name managers have been willing to drink from the poisoned chalice at Chelsea.

 

We're not Chelsea, but then we're not likely to be after the same managers as them. The idea that decent managers wouldn't want to work with our players is genuinely laughable.

 

Don't think it's anything to do with that, more an issue with not being willing to pay the same wages other clubs will offer.

 

Really though? Most managers get paid the same as your average squad player don't they? Can't imagine Michael Laudrup's raking it in at Swansea.

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2010/dec/09/alan-pardew-newcastle-united-contract

Deeply disappointed with the returns he got from Allardyce's and Kevin Keegan's £3m-a-year contracts, Ashley has the new manager working under a highly incentivised agreement. While Pardew declined to talk about the terms and conditions of his employment when he met journalists today – reasonably, if tellingly, he said it was "private" and any clauses are "between me and the club" – it is understood his basic salary is £450,000, albeit with generous bonuses awarded for on-field success.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-2256911/David-Moyes-highest-earner-Everton.html

Moyes’s reward for keeping Everton as a PL force for over a decade in charge on limited resources is a salary approaching £4million a year, which is more than Everton’s best paid player, Marouane Fellaini, earns.

 

[Tooj]

Benitez? Sure he's better than Pardew but he's not exactly known for playing entertaining football is he?

 

We will not get entertainment immediately. Our entertainment will be getting the results against teams we "should" be beating, and possibly a couple of surprise results here and there. We need to set a good foundation up and down the club.

 

When Hughton was in charge, I was under the impression that we'd taken care of our infrastructure/medical/youth tiers, and were well run again. This season and to an extent last season has made me doubt that. Benitez would sort it out.

 

That's a very good point actually. That's the type of manager I want us to go for. Then again would they be allowed that much control? 

[Mole_Toonfan]

Benitez? Sure he's better than Pardew but he's not exactly known for playing entertaining football is he?

 

Couldn't give a shit if he makes us effective and wins us games/trophies.

 

Pardew isn't hated because of style of football he's hated because that style of football that isn't conclusive to results and can't seem to fix what is wrong.

 

Yes Benitez teams are not exactly exciting to watch but at least he gets results and can fix fundamental flaws in a football team.

[Dave]

Benitez? Sure he's better than Pardew but he's not exactly known for playing entertaining football is he?

 

Couldn't give a shit if he makes us effective and wins us games/trophies.

 

Pardew isn't hated because of style of football he's hated because that style of football that isn't conclusive to results and can't seem to fix what is wrong.

 

Yes Benitez teams are not exactly exciting to watch but at least he gets results and can fix fundamental flaws in a football team.

 

Bit of both for me. Many a time I walked out of the ground last season delighted with the result and disillusioned with the performance. Obviously if you keep doing the right things then the results will follow, with us it's been the other way around.

[Spudil]

Benitez? Sure he's better than Pardew but he's not exactly known for playing entertaining football is he?

 

Couldn't give a s*** if he makes us effective and wins us games/trophies.

 

Pardew isn't hated because of style of football he's hated because that style of football that isn't conclusive to results and can't seem to fix what is wrong.

 

Yes Benitez teams are not exactly exciting to watch but at least he gets results and can fix fundamental flaws in a football team.

 

Bit of both for me. Many a time I walked out of the ground last season delighted with the result and disillusioned with the performance. Obviously if you keep doing the right things then the results will follow, with us it's been the other way around.

 

[Guest Craig-NUFC]

This "nobody would take this job" crack is entirely tedious. Look of many of the world's biggest name managers have been willing to drink from the poisoned chalice at Chelsea.

 

We're not Chelsea, but then we're not likely to be after the same managers as them. The idea that decent managers wouldn't want to work with our players is genuinely laughable.

 

Don't think it's anything to do with that, more an issue with not being willing to pay the same wages other clubs will offer.

 

Really though? Most managers get paid the same as your average squad player don't they? Can't imagine Michael Laudrup's raking it in at Swansea.

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2010/dec/09/alan-pardew-newcastle-united-contract

Deeply disappointed with the returns he got from Allardyce's and Kevin Keegan's £3m-a-year contracts, Ashley has the new manager working under a highly incentivised agreement. While Pardew declined to talk about the terms and conditions of his employment when he met journalists today – reasonably, if tellingly, he said it was "private" and any clauses are "between me and the club" – it is understood his basic salary is £450,000, albeit with generous bonuses awarded for on-field success.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-2256911/David-Moyes-highest-earner-Everton.html

Moyes’s reward for keeping Everton as a PL force for over a decade in charge on limited resources is a salary approaching £4million a year, which is more than Everton’s best paid player, Marouane Fellaini, earns.

 

 

Which would probably make him the lowest paid manager in the league if we're going solely on basic wage.

The only person who would agree to such terms is someone who has nothing to lose and is confident in their abilities. Also think it rules out attracting a manager already at a club. Off the top of my head, the only person I think who might be interested is Schtevey Mc.

[Jack Flash]

I haven't studied his philosophies or tactics or anything but Rafa won the CL, and finished runners up a few years later, with Liverpool. Compared to Pardew's Ronseal Challenge Cup win it would be quite an upgrade.

[Dave]

I haven't studied his philosophies or tactics or anything but Rafa won the CL, and finished runners up a few years later, with Liverpool. Compared to Pardew's Ronseal Challenge Cup win it would be quite an upgrade.

 

 

Don't think he'd come here anyway.

[Si]

I haven't studied his philosophies or tactics or anything but Rafa won the CL, and finished runners up a few years later, with Liverpool. Compared to Pardew's Ronseal Challenge Cup win it would be quite an upgrade.

 

Logic don't live here anymore.

[themanupstairs]

The painful thing is that we're not that far behind ushering in an era of stability and relative success. We have an excellent scouting network, a very good youth setup by all accounts, an incredible training facility and a world class stadium. The club is also well on its way to re-establishing reasonable commercial success. All we need is a strong and knowledgable personality in charge who will use his credibility to assert influence in all footballing aspects at the club, and take us forward.

 

The world of football will see changes in the next few years with FFP, and we're pretty much ready for that. We just need a leader.

 

Rest in peace Sir Bob.

[Mole_Toonfan]

Benitez? Sure he's better than Pardew but he's not exactly known for playing entertaining football is he?

 

Couldn't give a s*** if he makes us effective and wins us games/trophies.

 

Pardew isn't hated because of style of football he's hated because that style of football that isn't conclusive to results and can't seem to fix what is wrong.

 

Yes Benitez teams are not exactly exciting to watch but at least he gets results and can fix fundamental flaws in a football team.

 

Bit of both for me. Many a time I walked out of the ground last season delighted with the result and disillusioned with the performance. Obviously if you keep doing the right things then the results will follow, with us it's been the other way around.

 

Do agree but Benitez does have a knack of consistently getting results not just fluking some for a short period like Pardew so i think it would be a little different.

 

Not like Ashley would even consider him though, or he would even come.

[themanupstairs]

Benitez? Sure he's better than Pardew but he's not exactly known for playing entertaining football is he?

 

Couldn't give a s*** if he makes us effective and wins us games/trophies.

 

Pardew isn't hated because of style of football he's hated because that style of football that isn't conclusive to results and can't seem to fix what is wrong.

 

Yes Benitez teams are not exactly exciting to watch but at least he gets results and can fix fundamental flaws in a football team.

 

Exactly! Winning is exciting and entertaining to me

[ChrisJbarnes]

That bloke at West Ham has turned them into a solid looking premier league outfit...

[Dave]

I wonder what influence Pardew is having/has had on the future of the club. If any. Involvement in the reserves/youth teams, long-term strategies for the training ground, transfers etc. Considering the eight year contracts you'd think it's a significant involvement, which offers another reason why they'd not want to bin him any time soon. I don't think us finishing bottom half makes a great deal of difference. As long as we're in the top flight and taking our share of the ridiculous TV money then I can't imagine Ashley and his cronies being too bothered.

[themanupstairs]

I wonder what influence Pardew is having/has had on the future of the club. If any. Involvement in the reserves/youth teams, long-term strategies for the training ground, transfers etc. Considering the eight year contracts you'd think it's a significant involvement, which offers another reason why they'd not want to bin him any time soon. I don't think us finishing bottom half makes a great deal of difference. As long as we're in the top flight and taking our share of the ridiculous TV money then I can't imagine Ashley being too bothered.

 

How is he not bothered? Wasn't he the one who wanted to produce local talent to avoid spending on extortionate transfer fees? I think he's very much bothered, or he wouldn't have gone to the lengths he has upgrading training facilities and the academy.

[Rich]

Probably not realistic for a multitude of reasons (his salary being one), but I'd be delighted with David Moyes above all others from the current crop of PL managers.

 

The only reason I'd think we'd have a chance is the fact he'd be going for nothing in the summer and seems to be angling for a change (or more money to spend at Everton).

 

Obviously you'd think Laudrup or Martinez would be worthwhile gambles and Jol may also be capable of pushing us on while being more of a conservative bet.

 

Short answer: I dunno, but I would like a change.

[Dave]

Particularly if us being in Europe produces such a devastating, relegation-threatening effect on the following season every time.

[Guest ObiChrisKenobi]

I wonder what influence Pardew is having/has had on the future of the club. If any. Involvement in the reserves/youth teams, long-term strategies for the training ground, transfers etc. Considering the eight year contracts you'd think it's a significant involvement, which offers another reason why they'd not want to bin him any time soon. I don't think us finishing bottom half makes a great deal of difference. As long as we're in the top flight and taking our share of the ridiculous TV money then I can't imagine Ashley and his cronies being too bothered.

 

You'd think so, right...

[Dave]

Probably not realistic for a multitude of reasons (his salary being one), but I'd be delighted with David Moyes above all others from the current crop of PL managers.

 

The only reason I'd think we'd have a chance is the fact he'd be going for nothing in the summer and seems to be angling for a change (or more money to spend at Everton).

 

Obviously you'd think Laudrup or Martinez would be worthwhile gambles and Jol may also be capable of pushing us on while being more of a conservative bet.

 

Short answer: I dunno, but I would like a change.

 

I'll be staggered if Moyes doesn't sign a new deal at Everton.

[Guest VanBarduck]

Montanier

[Tooj]

I honestly don't think that he will. He's hit a glass ceiling with them and due to their financial situation he can't take them any further.

 

He probably wants guarantees that Fellaini/Baines won't be sold too.

[Dave]

I wonder what influence Pardew is having/has had on the future of the club. If any. Involvement in the reserves/youth teams, long-term strategies for the training ground, transfers etc. Considering the eight year contracts you'd think it's a significant involvement, which offers another reason why they'd not want to bin him any time soon. I don't think us finishing bottom half makes a great deal of difference. As long as we're in the top flight and taking our share of the ridiculous TV money then I can't imagine Ashley being too bothered.

 

How is he not bothered? Wasn't he the one who wanted to produce local talent to avoid spending on extortionate transfer fees? I think he's very much bothered, or he wouldn't have gone to the lengths he has upgrading training facilities and the academy.

 

Huh? I mean bothered about what we actually achieve year on year. As long as we're in the Premier League I imagine it's pretty much job done.

 

If we could develop more of our own talent (read: spend less money) then all the better.

[Rich]

Probably not realistic for a multitude of reasons (his salary being one), but I'd be delighted with David Moyes above all others from the current crop of PL managers.

 

The only reason I'd think we'd have a chance is the fact he'd be going for nothing in the summer and seems to be angling for a change (or more money to spend at Everton).

 

Obviously you'd think Laudrup or Martinez would be worthwhile gambles and Jol may also be capable of pushing us on while being more of a conservative bet.

 

Short answer: I dunno, but I would like a change.

 

I'll be staggered if Moyes doesn't sign a new deal at Everton.

 

Same really, there's nothing out there at this moment in time that he'd see as a step up. Can't see him being up Chelsea's street or a good fit for a job like that anyway.

 

With the new TV money and Everton's track record of spending well with their limited resources he may simply think spending that money better than their immediate rivals will be enough to crack the top four again, they're close enough now as it is.

[Dave]

I wonder what influence Pardew is having/has had on the future of the club. If any. Involvement in the reserves/youth teams, long-term strategies for the training ground, transfers etc. Considering the eight year contracts you'd think it's a significant involvement, which offers another reason why they'd not want to bin him any time soon. I don't think us finishing bottom half makes a great deal of difference. As long as we're in the top flight and taking our share of the ridiculous TV money then I can't imagine Ashley and his cronies being too bothered.

 

You'd think so, right...

 

Is that a no?

[Guest ObiChrisKenobi]

You'd imagine they'd a mandate from the 1st team manager from top to bottom with a vision on how he wants to play football, and how he wants youth players to be developed to fit into that vision. You'd imagine that.