samag Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 I get that we shouldn't have to 'settle' for a second rate manager/head coach but it really is starting to p*ss me off that people are turning their noses up at McClaren. Not to mention all the f***ing numpties on the FB page still referring to him as 'The Wally with a Brolly'. The title win at Twente was an incredible achievement, sold their best player in the summer (Eljero Elia) for 9m Euros and signed Ruiz, De Jong for 6m Euros. Of course it's not the best league in the world but regardless of the quality of the league, they weren't considered title contenders. They were unbeaten at home too. Second place Ajax had the likes of Suarez, Van der Wiel, Vertonghen, Alderweireld, Eriksen...it was an incredible achievement. Granted, it was 5 years ago but it still happened - compare that to who is in charge now. No contest. How many of the McClaren haters think we're going to go out and appoint a progressive, foreign coach with a philosophy for attacking football? What are the genuine alternatives given Ashley's track record? Yes, our expectations have been lowered and no I wouldn't be delighted with McClaren but I'd be happy with him - I'd take much more of an interest in us than I do currently and compared to how I'd feel if Carver was appointed. I can't even bare the thought of that. The same guy that's pissing the Championship with his scintillating brand of football. 1 Point ahead of Mick McCarthy's Ipswich. I just don't see any reason to be positive. At least an 'unknown' would get the benefit of the doubt and there'd be some interest in how he'd set the team up. The scintilating brand of football that we've NOT played for, what, 12 years? What are you hoping for in the summer? Ashley to decide he does really give a s*** after all and throw a load of money at Klopp? Or for a buyer to magically appear and make us all a lot happier? In terms of being realistic, I'm happy with McClaren. If our circumstances change and we get a new owner, then I won't be. Of course we've not had it for years so why shouldn't we take the opportunity now? Ashley could easily employ a manager capable of playing a decent brand of football without spending much more money or risking anything. I genuinely don't think it's an unrealistic ambition, as a fan of a club who are not going to try in any competition they enter, to at least try to play proper football. McLaren has never had a good footballing side. Why does being 'realistic' mean you have to be happy with Steve McClaren from one league below and effectively damaged goods? Why should we even be considering waiting for Steve McClaren and Derby f***ing County? I mean what serious sporting institution would wait for a lesser club and a second rate manager? It just doesn't make sense. You tell the bellend to come now or not at all. Why do we give a f*** about Derby's promotion bid? And, if he's going to leave in the summer anyway, why does he? I hardly think it's unrealistic to expect better. On top of that, the bloke is the most boring c*** going. Having to listen to him trot out the latest Bishop Bollocks on MoTD every week in that f***ing monotone voice of his will literally drive me up the f***ing wall. Totally agree with this point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_F Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 According to Douglas he was told one of the candidates they interviewed in January, presumably Garde, didn't get the size of the club. Oh the fucking irony !! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 Such a wasted opportunity if they appoint either Mclaren or Carver. FFS, McLaren can't even get a team out of the Championship, how is that any kind of a job reference. Carver's record speaks for itself, the guy should be nowhere near this football club. It's not an easy league to get out of. Particularly this season. I think SM would be able to get us Europa League football on regular basis, provided he is adequately backed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 According to Douglas he was told one of the candidates they interviewed in January, presumably Garde, didn't get the size of the club. Oh the fucking irony !! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 I'd be happy going for an exciting progressive manager in the Championship. Just not Steve. Mark Warburton's Brentford are exciting. He's not a yes-man however and is leaving at the end of the season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 McLaren would be a horrible appointment. Pardew's left but the attitude is the same. NOthing has changed. I said this from the start. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 I'd be happy going for an exciting progressive manager in the Championship. Just not Steve. Mark Warburton's Brentford are exciting. He's not a yes-man however and is leaving at the end of the season. Agree. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 McLaren would be a horrible appointment. Pardew's left but the attitude is the same. NOthing has changed. I said this from the start. Agree. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afar Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 Such a wasted opportunity if they appoint either Mclaren or Carver. FFS, McLaren can't even get a team out of the Championship, how is that any kind of a job reference. Carver's record speaks for itself, the guy should be nowhere near this football club. It's not an easy league to get out of. Particularly this season. I think SM would be able to get us Europa League football on regular basis, provided he is adequately backed. No it's not. Look at the list of managers who've done it: Pardew, Hughton, Mick McMackem (about 50 times), Nigel Pearson, Steve Bruce, Sean Dyche, Paul Jewel, Roy bloody Keane, for christ sake I could go on. Look back at our season down there, Shola Ameobi ffs was knocking in goals for fun before he got injured and then even Marlon Harewood got us a few. It's not that tough a league for a manager of any quality, and managers of better than completely crap ability tend to get their teams up. If you can't get a team out of that division, you're not good enough. Don't care what he did some 10 years ago at Boro or one season in Holland, his current CV, is no better than the likes of those managers currently ahead of him in that league and below us in ours. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swissmag Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 Such a wasted opportunity if they appoint either Mclaren or Carver. FFS, McLaren can't even get a team out of the Championship, how is that any kind of a job reference. Carver's record speaks for itself, the guy should be nowhere near this football club. It's not an easy league to get out of. Particularly this season. I think SM would be able to get us Europa League football on regular basis, provided he is adequately backed. I wish to have your optimism Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 Weren't Derby regularly finishing mid table or below until Mclaren came in? First season under him they finished 3rd and now they're sitting 5th. I don't know, maybe quite a bit of money was spent and it's purely new players making the difference. I just don't think he should be judged as a poor manager because he hasn't led Derby to promotion yet as some have suggested. Maybe they know much more than me about the goings on at Derby?, if so I'd be interested in reading about it. Considering it looks like we're going to get him wether we want him or not. At the moment I'm in the "at least he's far better than Carver" camp so I'm willing to give him a chance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afar Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 Weren't they regularly finishing mid table or below until Mclaren came in? First season under him they finished 3rd and now they're sitting 5th. I don't know, maybe quite a bit of money was spent and it's purely new players making the difference. I just don't think we can judge him as a poor manager purely because he hasn't led Derby to promotion yet. You may know more than me about the goings on at Derby? From wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014%E2%80%9315_Derby_County_F.C._season Players transferred in Date Pos. Name Previous club Fee Ref. 10 June 2014 MF Kosovo Alban Bunjaku Spain Sevilla Free [40] 25 June 2014 DF United States Zak Whitbread England Leicester City Free [30] 1 July 2014 GK England Jonathan Mitchell England Newcastle United Free [38] 1 July 2014 FW Brazil Alefe Santos England Bristol Rovers Free [41] 10 July 2014 DF England Cyrus Christie England Coventry City Undisclosed1 [42] 18 July 2014 MF Spain Iván Calero Spain Atlético Madrid Free [43] 19 July 2014 MF England George Thorne England West Bromwich Albion Undisclosed [49] 1 August 2014 FW England Shaquille McDonald England York City Free [50] 1 September 2014 MF Germany Tom Koblenz Germany Hoffenheim Free [66] 1 January 2015 DF England Ryan Shotton England Stoke City Undisclosed [77] 12 January 2015 DF Sweden Isak Ssewankambo Netherlands NAC Breda Free [79] 15 January 2015 DF England Stephen Warnock England Leeds United Undisclosed [80] 16 January 2015 DF Spain Raúl Albentosa Spain SD Eibar Undisclosed [81] Players loaned in Date from Pos. Name From Date to Ref. 4 August 2014 FW Republic of Ireland Leon Best England Blackburn Rovers 6 January 20152 [51][107] 6 August 2014 MF Spain Omar Mascarell Spain Real Madrid 2 May 2015 [52] 25 August 2014 DF England Ryan Shotton England Stoke City 31 December 20143 [58] 29 August 2014 FW England Jordon Ibe England Liverpool 15 January 20154 [59][89] 20 October 2014 GK England Jack Butland England Stoke City 27 November 20145 [71][108] 2 January 2015 FW England Darren Bent England Aston Villa 2 May 2015 [78] 2 February 2015 FW England Tom Ince England Hull City 2 May 2015 [94] 2 February 2015 MF England Jesse Lingard England Manchester United 2 May 2015 [96] So they have Darren Bent (who we were linked with over the summer and is surely good enough to score a few in that league), Leon Best, Jack Butland Tom Ince, had Jordan Ibe (while they were doing well), some real Madrid kid and ManUre kid. To go along with there current squad which includes Will Hughes. Remember the level we are talking about here, that squad should be competing close to the top. I think even John Carver would keep that squad in that division, and that is saying a lot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varadi Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 According to Douglas he was told one of the candidates they interviewed in January, presumably Garde, didn't get the size of the club. Oh the fucking irony !! I'm sure what he actually means is that Garde thought the club was fucking massive and should be challenging at the top of the league - they can't be appointing someone with those ridiculous notions! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 McLaren would be a horrible appointment. Pardew's left but the attitude is the same. NOthing has changed. I said this from the start. Fuck! Wish i'd listened to you and never wanted him out :'( Bring back al pards Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 Remember the article saying Garde had consulted with Wenger, who told him it was an opportunity he couldn't pass up. Yeah, sure eh was clueless about the size of the club. It's nonsense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 Aye, Douglas knows f'all. He said Tuchel would get it in January :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 I've just watched McLarens interview today and reading between the lines he's coming here as soon as derbys season ends Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 McLaren would be such an uninspired appointment. I can't see how anything would change other than more drilled yet drab performances. Having said that it would be much better than our current set up. If this is the road we choose to take I can really see more people becoming more numb and lacklustre towards the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 Make of this what you will, with any luck it means he's not coming and Carver is too much of a liability: Derby boss Steve McClaren has hit out at the constant speculation linking him with Newcastle. The former England manager admitted there was interest from the Magpies after Alan Pardew joined Crystal Palace at the turn of the year. John Carver was placed in charge at St James' Park, but McClaren is understood to still be in the frame for the job. However, McClaren insists he's fully-focused on Derby's promotion push and has labelled the rumours linking him with Newcastle "disrespectful" Asked if he intended to still be in charge at the iPro Stadium at the start of the 2015/16 campaign, the 53-year-old said: "I am contracted to Derby County, so yes. In pictures - Newcastle fan protest VIEW GALLERY "I have got a contract here for the next two years after this and I hope to honour that contract. "But it is football, that might change, who knows. But at the present moment I am the Derby County head coach and will remain so until things change. "So, let's get on with the job. My goal is to get in the play-offs and do as well as we can." On the reports linking him with Newcastle, McClaren added: "I haven't got a clue if I'm a candidate for the Newcastle job. READ MORE McClaren is destined for the Premier League - with or without Derby Dejected: McClaren comforts Derby defender Richard Keogh after losing last year's play-off final "I think there was no secret that there was an interest in December and January. We talked about that and in the end they didn't have a manager then. "What they did was appoint a manager [John Carver] and that is what they have got, and he is fighting for the job. "While somebody is in a job it is a little bit disrespectful. It's disrespectful to John Carver, to Newcastle, my focus is purely on Derby. "But this is newspapers and this is what they do, they speculate. At the present moment Newcastle doesn't interest me, I am not thinking about that. I am thinking solely of Derby." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 I saw this little gem in a Q&A with a Derby rag too: Q) Is that you ruling yourself out of the Newcastle job? A) At the present moment it is disrespectful talking about Newcastle and their situation because they have a manager. I really can’t comment because John Carver is the manager and he is doing a good job. He is fighting for the job and it would be disrespectful for me to comment ‘yes’ or ‘no’ because I don’t know until the end of the season and until Newcastle say something, which is what they are saying. I cannot comment because I have a job to do here. I am contracted here, my total focus is on this job, and that’s it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 Realises it'll be his number 2 if he takes the job. Can't be seen to belittle him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TruToon94 Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 According to Douglas he was told one of the candidates they interviewed in January, presumably Garde, didn't get the size of the club. Oh the f***ing irony !! Why did I get the feeling this was less of Garde not thinking we're a big team and more like Charnley and co telling him, "oh no lad you've got it wrong. Wanting to win stuff, that's in the past. We want mid table mediocrity every year! Look at the balance sheets, fucking mint. So you can't buy anybody either but feel free to sell as many as you wa- Where you going?" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 I wouldn't doubt that either. Garde: "this is a historic club, with the ability and capacity to be a top 7 side. You've done it before and with my coaching and staff and your scouting we can break into top 7 and push on and go after cups and the league" Charnley: "No we're a mid table side. And we don't want to win cups. You sound like you want to spend a ton of money and we will likely sell players for profits" Garde: "I don't mind lack of spend and selling players - it's happened to me before. Just let bring in my staff and let me go after my type of players, I think we can break into top 7 with your current investment strategy..." Charnley: "get the fuck out of here. We don't want top 7" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 but probably true. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 There was a talk sport interview where one of them said the candidates had been told the club were only interested in finishing 8 - 17. Could be bollocks like but it wouldn't surprise me at all Timmy Mallett probably. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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