triggs Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 I think Vieira would be an unmitigated disaster. He's headstrong/principled, unproven and short-term. No thanks. Surely he can't be worse than Carver? Probably not like, but I don't think we should be appointing people on the basis of them being better than Carver I'd send in my own CV if we were Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 I think Vieira would be an unmitigated disaster. He's headstrong/principled, unproven and short-term. No thanks. Think he's exciting personally. Unproven could mean it all, rather that than getting someone who will always have us in a mediocre position. Obviously wouldn't be my first choice if I could pick whoever, but from the options so far I'd like to see him given a go. I wouldn't mind taking a chance on him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilikenewcastle Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 I think Vieira would be an unmitigated disaster. He's headstrong/principled, unproven and short-term. No thanks. Surely he can't be worse than Carver? Probably not, but if we think like that, it's mission accomplished for Ashley imo. We shouldn't be satisfied with the least worst option. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 I think Vieira would be an unmitigated disaster. He's headstrong/principled, unproven and short-term. No thanks. Surely he can't be worse than Carver? Oh shut up, man. Nobody came close to suggesting he'd be worse than Carver. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 I'd rather they tried something different than the expected bottom trawling for also-ran managers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 And that's half the issue. He knows his worth as a man. The first time Ashley/Charnley tell him a fib he'll be off (and rightly so) and we'll be left with that horrible retard complete with farcical Bobby impersonation managing the team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 And that's half the issue. He knows his worth as a man. The first time Ashley/Charnley tell him a fib he'll be off (and rightly so) and we'll be left with that horrible retard and his farcical Bobby impersonation managing the team. sound point Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinport53 Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 Surely he can't be worse than Carver? Probably not like, but I don't think we should be appointing people on the basis of them being better than Carver I'd send in my own CV if we were I am in a similar boat to many, I 100% believe it will be shit under McClaren / Carver, where as it might not be shit under Vieira. I am willing to take the risk. I want to actually be excited to hear press conferences again, post match talks, wait for a team sheet an hour before kick off without having the pain of knowing Gouffran and Willo will be in there. Being surprised by a team selection, formation or playing style. I want to see us be innovative, and notice changes in our style of play. McClaren for me, is almost certain to plough the same baron ground, where I feel Vieira is unproven and my take a different approach. Even if it's a disaster, it will be better than watching a new version of the same disasters of the last 4-5 years. Bring it on tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 I know that it's a fairly easy point to make, but I really wish people would stop using 'better than Carver' as a base for someone's appointment. That's exactly what they want you to think. Unproven ex-player, when there are (or at least should be if NUFC was a proper club at the moment) much better alternatives. The alternative being John Carver doesn't make that a sound decision in the same way that Pardew being shit and Carver coming in doesn't make Pardew any less shit. It's a trick, don't fall for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 There's fuck all to get excited about with this club and with Vieira is there's a bit of intrigue and anticipation to be had. Nowt else particularly interesting will happen this summer and it might well go tits up. This is what we've been reduced to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/newcastle-united-set-sign-six-9360836 United’s owner gave his first televised interview last week and has now told key club staff that the Magpies are in good enough financial shape to be big players in the summer transfer market. His mood was said to be upbeat after securing survival and Newcastle have lined up deals that are ready to go after they make a head coach appointment – probably in the latter part of this week. Telegraph Sport understands that Newcastle hope to have “completed the process” of appointing a head coach by the end of the week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 As long as Carver is in the running, "he'd be better than Carver" remains a valid argument, unfortunately. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 It really doesn't. It's bowing down to what they want by accepting shit over shittier shit. That's all it is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 Vieira isn't a shit alternative though. He'd be a possible candidate even with proper options tbh. Naturally, said proper options and a proper appointment process would mean he'd not be number one in the queue. However I wouldn't find it weird if he was in it and was being considered as an alternative. We need new ownership. Whatever happens at the managerial post is pretty irrelevant as things stand. We don't have to be happy with Vieira as an appointed manager, but given our circumstances it'd not be bad. We are in desperate need of better circumstances though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 It really doesn't. It's bowing down to what they want by accepting shit over shittier shit. That's all it is. Indeed. Improvement doesn't even begin to infer suitability when improvement can be constituted in this case simply by subtraction. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 If we don't get anyone else, it will be Carver, though. That is a very tangible possibility. Expectations have been lowered and it's rank to have succumbed to it - but it's fact. We are not going to appoint the proper, esteemed, progressive manager that the club deserves - it simply isn't going to happen for reasons we all know. So someone being better than Carver is a legitimate attribute for other candidates. It's shite but that's how it is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 Pointless this stupid fucking guff. If we appoint Vieira it'll just be Carver in charge within months anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 Plus I think Vieira is actually an interesting candidate regardless of the precipice of John Carver. He's got great stature in the game and, you'd think, would certainly at least have the personality to galvanise our deflated dressing room. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 I can't believe what I'm reading like. Vieira isn't a shit alternative though. How on earth can you know that? He'd be a possible candidate even with proper options tbh. What credentials does he have for you to be able to say that? It's shite but that's how it is. That's exactly what they want you to think and it doesn't have to be that way anymore. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 Honestly I'm just bored of hating everything tbh. Vieira is a markedly more interesting link than so many others we've had, but obviously I wouldn't rule-out the whole thing being a total car crash. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 I can't believe what I'm reading like. Vieira isn't a shit alternative though. How on earth can you know that? He'd be a possible candidate even with proper options tbh. What credentials does he have for you to be able to say that? As I've stated numerous times in this thread and the Vieira thread, I'm impressed by his work for Diembars and his accomplishments within youth development. An example being his revamping of Tromsø (through their relationship with Diembars) and Strømsgodsets (through their relationship with Man City) youth development programmes/teams. Both of which were among the worst in the country, and are now pretty much the best. I've no idea about what he'd do on a first team basis, but what I've heard about his time in charge of Man City EDS I'm somewhat enthused. This combined with the general consensus that he's supposed to become a great manager, and apparently have been considered for Man Citys first team, is also exciting. I don't know if the last parts will translate to something good, but given our options I'm very willing to take the risk. We're gonna appoint a manager before Ashley leaves, and maybe even more than once. We'll force ourselves to watch the team. Why not have some excitment from the unknown, if only for a short while? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 Because, as I've said several times, it'll just lead to John Carver being back in charge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 Because, as I've said several times, it'll just lead to John Carver being back in charge. Any manager with self respect would walk if we fuck them over. I'm not even sure McClaren doesn't have enugh self-respect to walk if he gets fucked over. In this scenario we should just stay with John Carver in case we may end up with John Carver again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 Honestly I'm just bored of hating everything tbh. Vieira is a markedly more interesting link than so many others we've had, but obviously I wouldn't rule-out the whole thing being a total car crash. Pretty much this I just want to enjoy supporting the club again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 Because, as I've said several times, it'll just lead to John Carver being back in charge. Any manager with self respect would walk if we fuck them over. I'm not even sure McClaren doesn't have enugh self-respect to walk if he gets fucked over. In this scenario we should just stay with John Carver in case we may end up with John Carver again. The best option probably isn't to hire someone who'd happily rather walk back home to Cheshire than look vaguely compromised by a physically grotesque secretary in a suit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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