A sad day

[biggs]

Maybe just a reaction from the current mess we are in but a new manager with positive tactics will win us over and tbh thats what we all want

[TheGuv]

Great OP and last post there.

 

I'm only 19 but i've slowly fell out of love with football the last 4 or so years.

 

It's just not the same buzz as i used to get when i first had my ST in 2001, fast forward 12 years and it's became a chore to go and watch us play.

 

The buzz i got under SBR and KK (Mk 2) and to a lesser extent Hughton has long gone.

[bowlingcrofty]

Great article from Stevie on TT:

 

I’m sick of football, I’m sick of Newcastle United. I’ve been going to games since 1985. We were no great shakes then even, however my first game was against Liverpool and we did actually win, but don’t let that fool you, we were as shite as ever. My current mood may be attributable to the two most horrific home games I’ve ever seen. Two in a row. I’m not saying that to be controversial, the last two home games are the most horrific we’ve ever seen. I’ve seen us lose 4-1 at home to Wolves, I’ve seen us humbled off Bristol Rovers at St James’ Park, but the cowardly showing and horrendous results against two teams many of us detest more than any other, are the worst anyone in their 30′s, maybe even mid 40′s have EVER seen.

 

My feelings about how frustrated I am about football and Newcastle United run far deeper than that though. Don’t get me wrong, I’d never stop going, because like many others, I’m a mug. When you fall in love with Newcastle United, it never leaves you, you take them warts and all, and the two biggest warts we have with any connection to the club are Alan Pardew and Mike Ashley.

 

We’re told with great regularity that “we can’t compete with the big boys on an even level footing”. Granted when you look at the turnovers of the clubs in the Premier League, Pardew and “Mike” may have a point. What I want to know is in simple terms, why were we far richer than say Tottenham before Ashley came in, and now they generate far more than us.

 

2012 figures

 

1. Man Utd £320m

2. Chelsea £261m

3. Arsenal £235m

4. Man City £231m

5. Liverpool £188m

6. Tottenham £144m

7. Newcastle £93m

8. Everton £80m

 

Now this was for the 2011/2012 season, in 1998 this was the status quo (worldwide).

 

1. Manchester United, England – £87.9m

2. Real Madrid, Spain – £72.2m

3. Bayern Munich, Germany – £65.2m

4. Juventus, Italy – £55.3m

5. Newcastle United, England – £49.2m

6. Barcelona, Spain – £48.57m

7. AC Milan, Italy – £48.55m

8. Internazionale, Italy – £48.2m

 

Startling figures. We all know Newcastle are a big club, but our stature as a club in 1998 dictated that we had income in excess of Barcelona, a club who could put an argument up for being the world’s biggest now.

 

Seven years ago we were generating £30m per season more than Tottenham, now with a stadium attracting 16,000 less every week they generate £51m more than us. Absolutely startling figures. The fact is this Newcastle United made more as a business in 2002 than we did in 2012. Manchester United’s income has trebled in that timeframe. I’m no financial wizard, but that is a disgrace. There are lots of people to blame.

 

My feeling is this, Newcastle United commercially are being ran like Reggie Perrin’s empire. We’re cheap and chatty, commercially we are a disaster. He basically has got a casino manager to run what was without doubt one of the biggest clubs in Britain a decade ago.

 

Shepherd got lots of things wrong, we certainly couldn’t sustain the expenditure we had, but commercially Newcastle WERE “one of the big boys”, we’re not now because we’re downgraded, we’re told to think small, because we are small. We’re not Chelsea, Liverpool, Man City so pipe down toon fans. This message has been drummed in to Pardew from that fat bastard from his first day on December 8th 2010. He comes out with it at least once a month. No other club in football has a manager who comes out with this with such great regularity. Pardew is a mouthpiece for Ashley, and if we stay up we’ll have to get used to him because they won’t find a front man like him. Newcastle United is a hindrance for Ashley, if he could get every penny he put in back now with a little profit, he’d take it.

 

I’m sick of being told that we can’t expect to compete with the “big 6″. This season has been a disaster waiting to happen. If we had Daniel Levy as chairman I have absolutely no doubt we’d be a far wealthier bigger club.

 

The financial side is killing football as a whole, and FFP will make absolutely no difference. Look at Manchester City. Before they were bought out they were generating the same revenues as Sunderland, now they’re the 7th richest club in the world. But are they? It appears that they are, but people are already finding ways around FFP. Their sponsorship with Etihad is worth £400m. Etihad are their owners. Chelsea has Abramovic. So fair enough we can’t compete with those two clubs, but why can’t we compete with Tottenham and Liverpool when we did for years? No one has been able to give me a proper answer. Mike Ashley is the scourge of this club, he doesn’t care about where we finish as long as we make a profit.

 

You have idiot Newcastle fans who he has sucked in, who would gladly have a turnover of £93m with £3m profit, than a turnover of £160m with £0m profit. We’re under valued by the hierarchy of this club, we’re told to think small, expect small, view ourselves as small. It will never ever change as long as Ashley has control of the club. He took over the club in 2007 “to have some fun”, since then we’ve come in the top 10 once, been patronised with alarming regularity, been lied to, been ridiculed, been forced to listen to a chirpy southerner coming out with remarkably stupid blatant lies like “on me first day ‘ere I put some petrol in me car, and there was a 50 year old bloke, in full Newcastle kit including socks”, I’ve lived here my whole life and never seen that, all of these reasons are why I’m utterly fucked off with Newcastle United. I was when we came 5th, I hate the fact that they’ve divided and conquered and people accept that we can’t compete.

 

I hate the fact so called long term fans have forgiven him for his abhorrent treatment of Kevin Keegan. I will never accept them, if we won the Champions League I wouldn’t accept them, they’re vermin and the day he sells up, and takes Llambias somewhere else they can show “how narrrsty they can be”, will be one of great delight for me.

 

 

[Guest Haris Vuckic]

[Stuy_O]

Great post that.

[Incognito]

Really sums up how I feel too. Thanks bowlingcrofty for sharing.

[Wallace]

Sums up exactly how I feel as well and how I can never feel comfortable under the current regime. 

 

I do believe that the current ownership are slowly damaging the club long-term and that post sums up the reasons why.  They are gradually succeeding in making supporters more apathetic and our fanbase is the most important aspect of the club.  If they continue to push the fans away, then we will become the small club they like to claim we are.

[duo]

Well said.

 

Everyday I check the sports news in the hope someone with a bit of ambition buys Ashley out.

[Stu]

What a pile of misguided, heart-string-tugging codswallop.

[Interpolic]

He's got a massively valid point about us standing still in revenue terms, which equates to going backwards since other teams have went forward in this respect.

 

Mock away though Stu, you seem to enjoy yourself doing it so knock yourself out.

[loki679]

What a pile of misguided, heart-string-tugging codswallop.

 

By disagreeing you've just entirely validated his post.  Twat.

[OzzieMandias]

What a pile of misguided, heart-string-tugging codswallop.

 

Indeed.

[bowlingcrofty]

What a pile of misguided, heart-string-tugging codswallop.

 

Which point do you disagree with in partiular?

[Guest ItalianMagpie]

Still, even when we were the 5th highest income generating club in the world we couldn't sign as big names as european top clubs, and those we did sign we couldn't even afford, as we found out later.

That means that no matter how wealthy is the club and how good is the income they generate, you still need a rich owner who's gonna cover the losses every now and then if you wanna compete with the best. At that level, in today's football, there's no way you can win without going under financially.

[Guest Howaythetoon]

Great article from Stevie on TT:

 

I’m sick of football, I’m sick of Newcastle United. I’ve been going to games since 1985. We were no great shakes then even, however my first game was against Liverpool and we did actually win, but don’t let that fool you, we were as s**** as ever. My current mood may be attributable to the two most horrific home games I’ve ever seen. Two in a row. I’m not saying that to be controversial, the last two home games are the most horrific we’ve ever seen. I’ve seen us lose 4-1 at home to Wolves, I’ve seen us humbled off Bristol Rovers at St James’ Park, but the cowardly showing and horrendous results against two teams many of us detest more than any other, are the worst anyone in their 30′s, maybe even mid 40′s have EVER seen.

 

My feelings about how frustrated I am about football and Newcastle United run far deeper than that though. Don’t get me wrong, I’d never stop going, because like many others, I’m a mug. When you fall in love with Newcastle United, it never leaves you, you take them warts and all, and the two biggest warts we have with any connection to the club are Alan Pardew and Mike Ashley.

 

We’re told with great regularity that “we can’t compete with the big boys on an even level footing”. Granted when you look at the turnovers of the clubs in the Premier League, Pardew and “Mike” may have a point. What I want to know is in simple terms, why were we far richer than say Tottenham before Ashley came in, and now they generate far more than us.

 

2012 figures

 

1. Man Utd £320m

2. Chelsea £261m

3. Arsenal £235m

4. Man City £231m

5. Liverpool £188m

6. Tottenham £144m

7. Newcastle £93m

8. Everton £80m

 

Now this was for the 2011/2012 season, in 1998 this was the status quo (worldwide).

 

1. Manchester United, England – £87.9m

2. Real Madrid, Spain – £72.2m

3. Bayern Munich, Germany – £65.2m

4. Juventus, Italy – £55.3m

5. Newcastle United, England – £49.2m

6. Barcelona, Spain – £48.57m

7. AC Milan, Italy – £48.55m

8. Internazionale, Italy – £48.2m

 

Startling figures. We all know Newcastle are a big club, but our stature as a club in 1998 dictated that we had income in excess of Barcelona, a club who could put an argument up for being the world’s biggest now.

 

Seven years ago we were generating £30m per season more than Tottenham, now with a stadium attracting 16,000 less every week they generate £51m more than us. Absolutely startling figures. The fact is this Newcastle United made more as a business in 2002 than we did in 2012. Manchester United’s income has trebled in that timeframe. I’m no financial wizard, but that is a disgrace. There are lots of people to blame.

 

My feeling is this, Newcastle United commercially are being ran like Reggie Perrin’s empire. We’re cheap and chatty, commercially we are a disaster. He basically has got a casino manager to run what was without doubt one of the biggest clubs in Britain a decade ago.

 

Shepherd got lots of things wrong, we certainly couldn’t sustain the expenditure we had, but commercially Newcastle WERE “one of the big boys”, we’re not now because we’re downgraded, we’re told to think small, because we are small. We’re not Chelsea, Liverpool, Man City so pipe down toon fans. This message has been drummed in to Pardew from that fat b****** from his first day on December 8th 2010. He comes out with it at least once a month. No other club in football has a manager who comes out with this with such great regularity. Pardew is a mouthpiece for Ashley, and if we stay up we’ll have to get used to him because they won’t find a front man like him. Newcastle United is a hindrance for Ashley, if he could get every penny he put in back now with a little profit, he’d take it.

 

I’m sick of being told that we can’t expect to compete with the “big 6″. This season has been a disaster waiting to happen. If we had Daniel Levy as chairman I have absolutely no doubt we’d be a far wealthier bigger club.

 

The financial side is killing football as a whole, and FFP will make absolutely no difference. Look at Manchester City. Before they were bought out they were generating the same revenues as Sunderland, now they’re the 7th richest club in the world. But are they? It appears that they are, but people are already finding ways around FFP. Their sponsorship with Etihad is worth £400m. Etihad are their owners. Chelsea has Abramovic. So fair enough we can’t compete with those two clubs, but why can’t we compete with Tottenham and Liverpool when we did for years? No one has been able to give me a proper answer. Mike Ashley is the scourge of this club, he doesn’t care about where we finish as long as we make a profit.

 

You have idiot Newcastle fans who he has sucked in, who would gladly have a turnover of £93m with £3m profit, than a turnover of £160m with £0m profit. We’re under valued by the hierarchy of this club, we’re told to think small, expect small, view ourselves as small. It will never ever change as long as Ashley has control of the club. He took over the club in 2007 “to have some fun”, since then we’ve come in the top 10 once, been patronised with alarming regularity, been lied to, been ridiculed, been forced to listen to a chirpy southerner coming out with remarkably stupid blatant lies like “on me first day ‘ere I put some petrol in me car, and there was a 50 year old bloke, in full Newcastle kit including socks”, I’ve lived here my whole life and never seen that, all of these reasons are why I’m utterly f***ed off with Newcastle United. I was when we came 5th, I hate the fact that they’ve divided and conquered and people accept that we can’t compete.

 

I hate the fact so called long term fans have forgiven him for his abhorrent treatment of Kevin Keegan. I will never accept them, if we won the Champions League I wouldn’t accept them, they’re vermin and the day he sells up, and takes Llambias somewhere else they can show “how narrrsty they can be”, will be one of great delight for me.

 

 

 

Great stuff that, pretty much sums up a lot of what I feel and no doubt many others too.

 

Unless your Stu or Ozzie...

 

People say NUFC are doing well financially these days... no we aren't because we don't make any money.

 

And we are still in debt to Mike Ashley.

 

Like I said in the Cabaye thread I'd be happy to all of our top players sold for big money if it means the fat cunt gets closer to what he's owed quicker and yes that is him and the likes of Pardew making me think that way because really while these lot control things we are going fucking nowhere, on or off the pitch. Its embarrassing just how piss poor we are commercially and the whole stadium renaming/wonga coming in to save the day makes me sick personally because they have literally taken fans for complete mugs.

 

Sadly, they got that bit right as the likes of Stu and Ozzie constantly showcase on here.

 

Not this chap though. Fuck the lot of them.

[arnonel]

I will never accept them, if we won the Champions League I wouldn’t accept them,

 

 

Stuff like this always cracks me up.... ("you show no ambition blah blah.........oh, and if you do show ambition and win the champs league, still wont like you")

[midds]

Think Stevie's pretty much nailed it tbh.

[Hughesy]

I will never accept them, if we won the Champions League I wouldn’t accept them,

 

 

Stuff like this always cracks me up.... ("you show no ambition blah blah.........oh, and if you do show ambition and win the champs league, still wont like you")

 

It is a laughable thing to say.

[Jack Flash]

Don’t get me wrong, I’d never stop going, because like many others, I’m a mug

 

Like many others, all talk no action.

[colinmk]

That post is spot on from Stevie. Jack Flash, it's not quite that simple is it?

[Crumpy Gunt]

Ten year price freeze on ST's is going to push us even further behind.

 

Lining up with sponsors like Wonga shows exactly where we are.

[Jack Flash]

That post is spot on from Stevie. Jack Flash, it's not quite that simple is it?

 

It's a start.

[bowlingcrofty]

Ten year price freeze on ST's is going to push us even further behind.

 

Lining up with sponsors like Wonga shows exactly where we are.

 

If we were competent at setting up sponsors then the ST money would pale into insignificance.

[Jayson]

Is it not just partly that income is related to a clubs status. In 96-97 we were finishing 2nd in the league, so it makes sense for us to still be pulling it in in 1998. Since then we havent competed at the same level, other clubs have had seasons that have much surpassed ours and they have started making more money in that time due to that. If we start competing at the top level again, im sure our income would rise & the bigger sponsors will jump on board. In recent times we've had lots of average/poor finishes & been mainly known for things going bizarrely.

[Optimistic Nut]

Is it not just partly that income is related to a clubs status. In 96-97 we were finishing 2nd in the league, so it makes sense for us to still be pulling it in in 1998. Since then we havent competed at the same level, other clubs have had seasons that have much surpassed ours and they have started making more money in that time due to that. If we start competing at the top level again, im sure our income would rise & the bigger sponsors will jump on board. In recent times we've had lots of average/poor finishes & been mainly known for things going bizarrely.

 

Yeah but we're also getting less than some mid-table clubs as well these days.