ponsaelius Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 It is fairly hilarious that that they bought Jarvis to cross and Carroll to head them in and it hasn't happened once. I mean it's not as if another club tried exactly the same simplistic nonsense the season before to the same result or anything... Don't think it's the only reason like. Shame for Jarvis, looked decent on his premiership debut season, been steadily downhill since then, though I've not seen much of him at wham he's hardly been making headlines. "My manager wanted Andy Carroll, so we backed him. "Andy was the perfect player for him and the style of football we play. "We play a lot of high balls, a lot of crosses - quite exciting football, not just humping it but clever crossing - and Sam wanted Jarvis to supply the crosses because he is a fantastic crosser. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 Everyone on 29/30 is more or less save. Need 7/8 points in 11 games to guarantee safety. Will be done. Wham won't get relegated unless they go on a horrible run of form. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 Everyone on 29/30 is more or less save. Need 7/8 points in 11 games to guarantee safety. Will be done. Wham won't get relegated unless they go on a horrible run of form. Their fixture list is rather nasty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Idiot Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 Ozil better than Iniesta?! Please read..... i said he was better than him last season not in general. Özil is woefully unconsistant, which is pretty ridiculous when you see his stats, but he still has to find that in his game, particularly against big sides. He's young though, and that's the kind of thing you attain with age. Benzema being so off-form is one of the reasons Madrid are so bad this year, Ronaldo can't do it all alone (even though sometimes it looks like he can). He's hugely talented and unplayable on his day, but ultimately the quintessential confidence player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Slippery Sam Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 It is fairly hilarious that that they bought Jarvis to cross and Carroll to head them in and it hasn't happened once. I mean it's not as if another club tried exactly the same simplistic nonsense the season before to the same result or anything... Don't think it's the only reason like. Shame for Jarvis, looked decent on his premiership debut season, been steadily downhill since then, though I've not seen much of him at wham he's hardly been making headlines. "My manager wanted Andy Carroll, so we backed him. "Andy was the perfect player for him and the style of football we play. "We play a lot of high balls, a lot of crosses - quite exciting football, not just humping it but clever crossing - and Sam wanted Jarvis to supply the crosses because he is a fantastic crosser. Wham will have to make a decision on 'big Ahhhndee Cawuw' at the end of the season. Will they still want to punt £18m on him? Surely not. His value is around £12 now? £35m ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 His value is around £12 now? £7m at a push Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OoOGazOoO Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 Just seen the highlights from the game last night, what a strike from Bale! Jussi Jaaskelainen had a cracking game mind, seemed to produce some quality saves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 Ozil better than Iniesta?! Please read..... i said he was better than him last season not in general. Özil is woefully unconsistant, which is pretty ridiculous when you see his stats, but he still has to find that in his game, particularly against big sides. He's young though, and that's the kind of thing you attain with age. Benzema being so off-form is one of the reasons Madrid are so bad this year, Ronaldo can't do it all alone (even though sometimes it looks like he can). He's hugely talented and unplayable on his day, but ultimately the quintessential confidence player. Personally I thought Iniesta was a fair better than Ozil last season. I see Ozil struggling for periods of games quite often, I agree about the consistency. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 Everyone on 29/30 is more or less save. Need 7/8 points in 11 games to guarantee safety. Will be done. Wham won't get relegated unless they go on a horrible run of form. Their fixture list is rather nasty. Certain they won't go down. Both Wigan and Villa need 7 more points than Wham over 11 games. Don't see them both doing it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 It is fairly hilarious that that they bought Jarvis to cross and Carroll to head them in and it hasn't happened once. I mean it's not as if another club tried exactly the same simplistic nonsense the season before to the same result or anything... Don't think it's the only reason like. Shame for Jarvis, looked decent on his premiership debut season, been steadily downhill since then, though I've not seen much of him at wham he's hardly been making headlines. "My manager wanted Andy Carroll, so we backed him. "Andy was the perfect player for him and the style of football we play. "We play a lot of high balls, a lot of crosses - quite exciting football, not just humping it but clever crossing - and Sam wanted Jarvis to supply the crosses because he is a fantastic crosser. Ah right so guess they'll sell him when Carroll leaves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 Everyone on 29/30 is more or less save. Need 7/8 points in 11 games to guarantee safety. Will be done. Wham won't get relegated unless they go on a horrible run of form. Their fixture list is rather nasty. Certain they won't go down. Both Wigan and Villa need 7 more points than Wham over 11 games. Don't see them both doing it. You know, when you put it like that, I actually can. Their next five fixtures: West Ham: Stoke (A), Chelsea (A), West Brom (H), Liverpool (A), Southampton (A). Wigan: Liverpool (H), Newcastle (H), Norwich (H), QPR (A), Swansea (H). Villa: Man City (H), Reading (A), QPR (H), Liverpool (H), Stoke (A). I can see West Ham losing all five. Wigan could actually be above them, and I can see Villa beating Reading and QPR. The next game is West Ham vs Wigan. Still a lot to play for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 Not a bad line-up today, for a non-CL weekday: El Clasico at the Copa del Ray, Everton/Oldham FA Cup rematch, and Fiorentina/Bologna in Serie A. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 Not a bad line-up today, for a non-CL weekday: El Clasico at the Copa del Ray, Everton/Oldham FA Cup rematch, and Fiorentina/Bologna in Serie A. Its Bayern vs Dortmund today as well isn't it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeloEmre Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 Not a bad line-up today, for a non-CL weekday: El Clasico at the Copa del Ray, Everton/Oldham FA Cup rematch, and Fiorentina/Bologna in Serie A. Its Bayern vs Dortmund today as well isn't it? Tomorrow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 Ah right cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 Lad on GrandOldTeam (Everton forum) does match previews that are nearly always bang on the money. But this particularly rings true; reflecting on the Norwich result and where we currently are. Might be Martin Jol-ish but regardless: "However for many the Norwich game is symptomatic of a larger issue. This whole debating over a contract thing stinks to high heaven. We’re Everton not Exeter, he gets paid a great deal to manage a club that can still attract 40,000 fans at home and sells out most of its aways. I'm not going to pretend we're currently in the elite of the English league but we're a damn good club to manage on anyone’s CV. And that Norwich game was a microcosm of Moyes and his biggest blind spot – being too pragmatic and trying to protect leads when we’d have more luck going for the opposition’s throat. Ask yourself how many games have you enjoyed watching Everton this year? Villa and Swansea will be in them, not only did Everton play great attacking football; they also put themselves in a two or three goal lead – offering you a rare opportunity to relax somewhat instead of fearing a moody opposition equaliser from a set piece to deny us two points. Near enough all our wins are tight affairs and there’s no shame in that if you’re getting the three points but a lot of times it spectacularly backfires. It’s par for the course to give a few teams a four or five goal pasting a few times a season, particularly with the players we have but while even the sh*te are good for it, we can never do similar. Why? Our approach to the game." ------------------------- Finding myself agreeing with pretty much everything he has to say. Moyes is becoming a victim of his own success. The ownership issues have been debated ad infinitum but I'm starting to doubt Moyes actually has the capabilities of pushing us on himself, and this season our usually solid defence shits itself the moment the opposition applies an ounce of pressure. Also, the amount of times we've been the better team in games but haven't hammered home our advantage is frightening. But moreover, it's consistent. It's not just the odd one of those "days" where you miss a bucketload of chances or hit the bar 3 times. Those days happen and I can accept that if it's an occasional thing. What I can't accept is the players we have at our disposal leaking points like there's no tomorrow. Some of our results against bottom-half teams: Norwich - draw at home, lost away despite being 1-0 up with minutes to pay Reading - loss, play them next week at home Wigan - draw away So'ton - draw away QPR - draw away, yet to play again Villa - draw at home, nearly lost Newcastle - draw at home, let lead slip twice Fulham - draw at their place depite creating a bucketload of clear chances Off the top of my head (these stats might not be exact but if they're not they're damn close), we've kept just 4 clean sheets all season. We've won and kept a clean sheet on a massive 2 occasions - hasn't happened since September. We've won by more than 1 goal on just 2 occasions - hasn't happened since September. So nearly all our wins have been by the odd goal which tells me something - we're far too worried about what the opposition are going to do, rather than let the opposition worry about our superior players. And that rests with the manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 I've always thought of Everton as a tight, scrappy team who battle to results. With a couple of players who are better than that. You're 6th in the league, that's a pretty good return IMO. The true position of your players is probably a bit lower than that, so Moyes is doing something right. I don't think it's that surprising that they'll be beaten by clubs like Norwich relatively often. I'll never thing of him as a great manager because he's fundamentally quite boring, but that's an outsider's view. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 Yeah, Moyes isn't doing a goo denough job with that team. I mean. I really like the attacking potential of your team. You really should be goign at teams more, scorign more goals, and wrappign games up much earlier. The potential for your team to do that is definitely there. Moyes, just strikes me as an overly cautious guy, who is always going to be more concerend about players working hard, tracking back and keeping things tight. It honestly makes me laugh to see him as a suggested manager for clubs like Arsenal and Chelsea. It's crazy to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 "Most seasons we've tended to finish sixth, seventh or eighth and if you ask the people who know football they would say that´s about as good as Everton can do." "We've probably been playing at our maximum for a long time at Everton - foot hard to the pedal - and I'm hoping we can go a wee bit further this season and maybe do better in the FA Cup." If this is the mentality at the club, we're screwed. Kaka, we were playing good, attacking football earlier this season. Our style of play has without doubt improved gradually over recent years. Then for some reason it's just stopped. It's really hard to fathom what he tells the players at times. We're conceding goals regardless, I haven't got a massive problem with that if we're consistently creating chances but now that's dried up. Snookered. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 "Most seasons we've tended to finish sixth, seventh or eighth and if you ask the people who know football they would say that´s about as good as Everton can do." "We've probably been playing at our maximum for a long time at Everton - foot hard to the pedal - and I'm hoping we can go a wee bit further this season and maybe do better in the FA Cup." If this is the mentality at the club, we're screwed. Kaka, we were playing good, attacking football earlier this season. Our style of play has without doubt improved gradually over recent years. Then for some reason it's just stopped. It's really hard to fathom what he tells the players at times. We're conceding goals regardless, I haven't got a massive problem with that if we're consistently creating chances but now that's dried up. Snookered. I know! I agree completely about the fact you were playing attacking football earlier thsis season, in fact you still do, but in fits and spurts. It's not consistently done, and it just seems the team isn't really being given full license or freedom to play this way. I was really enjoying your games at the start of the season for sure. The team looked amazing at times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 I agree with that Neil, Pardew is similar. Hughton's tightened up his approach at Norwich but under him we could really slap teams. Push it to 3 or 4 goals to nil. Moyes is a good manager but I think he's close to hitting his ceiling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 Just seen the Fulham game for the first time. How on earth was N'Zonzi not sent off? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 Just seen the Fulham game for the first time. How on earth was N'Zonzi not sent off? Who nose? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afar Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 Two ways you can look at Everton under Moyes. You could rightly point out that he took over a club that was in a bit of a state, narrowly avoiding relegation a couple of times. He took them consistently to challenge for Europe. He's bought well with limited finances and got the best out of the players at the club. But, does he have a level where his effectiveness as a manager wears off ? There are a lot of managers out there, that are hugely successful in the championship but get found out when moving into the prem. Perhaps Moyes's level is slightly higher than that and he plateaus at around the 6th or 7th spot. I don't think though that you can argue that he is getting the best out of the squad, if you look at the squads of the five teams above Everton, Manure, Man Shitty, Spuds, Chelsea and Arsenal, they are all stronger than Everton's. It's debatebale whether Liverpool and Newcastle have stronger squads too and Everton are well ahead of both those teams. So he's doing all he can imo with what he has, I think the big question regarding Moyes would come up if or when he gets big money to spend or inherts a team capable of winning the PL, would his style achieve what is expected ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afar Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 Just seen the Fulham game for the first time. How on earth was N'Zonzi not sent off? Yep that was ridiculous, clearest straight red all season for me. I don't know if you saw Huth elbow not seen by the ref too (rightly he's gonna get punished retrospectively for that) but Stoke doing nothing to stop people calling them what they call them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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