Jack Flash Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 The only reasons I ever see for keeping Pardew is "stability", "the players/board like him" and "Ashley can't appoint a good manager". I don't recall one person saying we'll actually improve on the pitch if he stays. That should be the first reason people give for him staying as that's the most important thing but alas... Fair point. But... last season he was decent. The football was decent too. I know this season has been awful but none of us know which way next season would go under Pardew. We can't know. Since we can't know what kind of football we'll have until we're playing it, the only stuff that matters are the external factors like stability and relationships in the club. The football hasn't changed too much to my eyes in the last few years. It worked last year but as the players are getting better it's working less and less by the week and I can't see getting any better. I've been blaming the players plenty recently but a team full of internationals just shouldn't be performing this badly every single week. A few people have said, a few times, that, with the right investment in the summer and reduced fixtures next season, we could conceivably go on to have a similar season to last year. That'd be an improvement, for me. I'd be more than happy to have to endure another season like that. This sounds completely made up and I won't ask for proof as you never bother to provide it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 I'm not talking short term as I believe we'll face another relegation battle with him in charge. I also know for a fact that no matter what happens, he'll play a negative long ball game designed to strangle the life out of any contest. Results are important, and we all enjoy finishing in the upper echelons of the league (let's pretend for a second that I think that might happen), but what's equally important is that I go to the match to enjoy myself and to watch Newcastle try to win and try to score goals. I don't go to be bored shitless and watch us with our backs to the wall for a bare minimum of 45 minutes every week. I still see loads of people saying "yes, last season was fantastic but..." - it was as fantastic as Allardyce's Bolton were, decent results and f***ing dull as dishwater, but at least he had the excuse of having a load of cloggers in the team. I can't see the bit in bold happening, I do expect that he'll fail to get the best out of the squad though and we'll be mid-table. Go on a cup run and he'll be knackered again and complaining about having too many games and no time for preparation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 The only reasons I ever see for keeping Pardew is "stability", "the players/board like him" and "Ashley can't appoint a good manager". I don't recall one person saying we'll actually improve on the pitch if he stays. That should be the first reason people give for him staying as that's the most important thing but alas... Fair point. But... last season he was decent. The football was decent too. I know this season has been awful but none of us know which way next season would go under Pardew. We can't know. Since we can't know what kind of football we'll have until we're playing it, the only stuff that matters are the external factors like stability and relationships in the club. Of course you can know. I know Brendan Rodgers won't play a negative long ball game next season, I know Pulis will play that. I know Arsene Wenger will still be one of the best managers in the country, I know Alex McLeish won't be. You're talking as if football is won and lost purely and simply on the basis of chance and we should stick with Pardew because we have a 50% chance of heads. Of course you can know these things. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 Agreed. But there were some pretty tasty high points. The problem is that he virtually stumbled on a formula which brought out the best of the squad and ditched it and reverted to type. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucaAltieri Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 The only reasons I ever see for keeping Pardew is "stability", "the players/board like him" and "Ashley can't appoint a good manager". I don't recall one person saying we'll actually improve on the pitch if he stays. That should be the first reason people give for him staying as that's the most important thing but alas... Fair point. But... last season he was decent. The football was decent too. I know this season has been awful but none of us know which way next season would go under Pardew. We can't know. Since we can't know what kind of football we'll have until we're playing it, the only stuff that matters are the external factors like stability and relationships in the club. Considering Pardew's history with clubs when they start going do i'd say we do.... Southampton, West Ham and Reading, once they went south he couldn't do anything to prevent the slide. Besides what makes you think things will magically change? we will still have technically gifted players suited to a passing game and we will still see a long ball game but without the organisation and set piece prowess of a Pulis or Allardyce team. What you are doing is basically just throwing another season away, nothing will change Pardew's history proves as much. I don't think we're doing too much differently as it is. Pardew has always favored keeping it tight and squeezing out the opposition. We're doing the same thing but we have a number of other issues to cope with that we didn't last season. Losing, and not replacing, Ba. Injuries, too thin a squad, and too many players still trying to settle in. They've all hampered us. Next season the new arrivals will be more settled, in the main. Having fewer games will mean less stress on our top players and a chance to recover physically and mentally. Pardew is talking about bringing in more strikers. We're not suddenly going to turn into Barcelona, Pardew is still going to keep it tight first and foremost, but with fit players, a less packed calendar, and the possibility of reinforcements up front, I'm optimistic of us proving more of a threat to teams and picking up wins. When you win you gain confidence, and players filled with confidence play better football. Pardew isn't dictating every kick. When a player beats his man and drives into the box instead of passing it square, that's not because Pardew coached him to do that, it's because the player had the confidence to do it. We just need a run of games to get it together. I'm confident. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucaAltieri Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 The only reasons I ever see for keeping Pardew is "stability", "the players/board like him" and "Ashley can't appoint a good manager". I don't recall one person saying we'll actually improve on the pitch if he stays. That should be the first reason people give for him staying as that's the most important thing but alas... Fair point. But... last season he was decent. The football was decent too. I know this season has been awful but none of us know which way next season would go under Pardew. We can't know. Since we can't know what kind of football we'll have until we're playing it, the only stuff that matters are the external factors like stability and relationships in the club. Of course you can know. I know Brendan Rodgers won't play a negative long ball game next season, I know Pulis will play that. I know Arsene Wenger will still be one of the best managers in the country, I know Alex McLeish won't be. You're talking as if football is won and lost purely and simply on the basis of chance and we should stick with Pardew because we have a 50% chance of heads. Of course you can know these things. Based on what he's done for us so far it IS 50/50. We've had a season we were happy with and a season we weren't happy with. Who knows what we're getting next season? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 Losing, and not replacing, Ba. Injuries, too thin a squad, and too many players still trying to settle in. Which of these was a major issue from August to January, during which we went on one of the worst runs of form in the club's history? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 Considering Pardew's history with clubs when they start going do i'd say we do.... Southampton, West Ham and Reading, once they went south he couldn't do anything to prevent the slide. When did Southampton go 'south' under his time there? It's lazy accusations like this which undermine this "history of Pardew suggests he'll be shit" argument. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 The only reasons I ever see for keeping Pardew is "stability", "the players/board like him" and "Ashley can't appoint a good manager". I don't recall one person saying we'll actually improve on the pitch if he stays. That should be the first reason people give for him staying as that's the most important thing but alas... Fair point. But... last season he was decent. The football was decent too. I know this season has been awful but none of us know which way next season would go under Pardew. We can't know. Since we can't know what kind of football we'll have until we're playing it, the only stuff that matters are the external factors like stability and relationships in the club. Of course you can know. I know Brendan Rodgers won't play a negative long ball game next season, I know Pulis will play that. I know Arsene Wenger will still be one of the best managers in the country, I know Alex McLeish won't be. You're talking as if football is won and lost purely and simply on the basis of chance and we should stick with Pardew because we have a 50% chance of heads. Of course you can know these things. Based on what he's done for us so far it IS 50/50. We've had a season we were happy with and a season we weren't happy with. Who knows what we're getting next season? I haven't had a season I'm happy with. Like I said, I go to the match for more than just the result. If that was all I was interested in, I'd stay in and watch it on the videprinter. There's no greater feeling in life than the 5-10 seconds after a Newcastle goal. Pardew has very little interest in goals beyond the 1 he thinks he should need to win (only at home though, an away point is always a miraculous result so we'll stick to 0 there if possible). He wants me to get that level of satisfaction from a tackle, or Krul pulling off another wondersave as we're getting our routine 45 minute (minimum) battering. We were told last season was a starting point, and that the football would improve and be played to attack and be played on the floor. That was a complete lie, something you've just admitted yourself, that he only wants to strangle the life out of football and try and win by the odd goal. Why would anyone want somebody like that in charge of their football club? I can understand it if the results are going well (though it's not for me personally) but when they're this bad and it's not even entertaining, the team doesn't even try to score goals? Boggles my mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 Considering Pardew's history with clubs when they start going do i'd say we do.... Southampton, West Ham and Reading, once they went south he couldn't do anything to prevent the slide. When did Southampton go 'south' under his time there? It's lazy accusations like this which undermine this "history of Pardew suggests he'll be shit" argument. They appointed Adkins a few weeks after Pardew was fired and now, only 3 years on, they're on course to finish above us so that's how easy a job it was for a good manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudil Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 A quote from February last year The more time you give, the more you learn obviously and I haven't seen anywhere near enough fluidity from us or attacking intent. I forgave the poor performances at the start-middle of the season because players were gelling and there was a lot to be worked out, obviously the results were superb and I just thought 'wow, we're getting these results and we're not even close to being a team yet' but as time has gone on, we've not looked anymore like a team and players have played far worse than their talent suggests they can play. I'm worried about our style of play and have been for a few months and it's not results that will change that for me, but performances. I am disappointed, more so because I feel we were sold a few cheap lies by Pardew about our style of play. Over a year later... I don't think we're doing too much differently as it is. Pardew has always favored keeping it tight and squeezing out the opposition. We're doing the same thing but we have a number of other issues to cope with that we didn't last season. Losing, and not replacing, Ba. Injuries, too thin a squad, and too many players still trying to settle in. They've all hampered us. Next season the new arrivals will be more settled, in the main. Having fewer games will mean less stress on our top players and a chance to recover physically and mentally. Pardew is talking about bringing in more strikers. We're not suddenly going to turn into Barcelona, Pardew is still going to keep it tight first and foremost, but with fit players, a less packed calendar, and the possibility of reinforcements up front, I'm optimistic of us proving more of a threat to teams and picking up wins. When you win you gain confidence, and players filled with confidence play better football. Pardew isn't dictating every kick. When a player beats his man and drives into the box instead of passing it square, that's not because Pardew coached him to do that, it's because the player had the confidence to do it. We just need a run of games to get it together. I'm confident. Come on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 I didn't say I was putting Colonel Pardew's mismanagement on the same level as Gaddafi's. More of a Ben Ali tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 The key phrase for me there is 'clear the air'. Hope is such a fragile thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 We can always take action later if it all turns to shit. The Shepherd solution. Great. Venky's solution, more like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 Its embarassing that anyone would stick with Pardew any longer. As for his latest quotes, they're good on the surface but the man is a professional bullshitter. If he told me grass is green, I'd still not believe him. His quotes are empty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 A few people have said, a few times, that, with the right investment in the summer and reduced fixtures next season, we could conceivably go on to have a similar season to last year. That'd be an improvement, for me. I'd be more than happy to have to endure another season like that. What world are you/they living in? A season like last season is never going to lead to sustainable success. Bloody hell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUFC_Sam Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 He is a Championship/bottom of the Prem manager. Always has been and always will be. Why would any of our players want to play under such a tool? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 Hitler: "I wasnt a very nice person" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 Josef Fritzl: "I'm just a family man!" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 A few people have said, a few times, that, with the right investment in the summer and reduced fixtures next season, we could conceivably go on to have a similar season to last year. That'd be an improvement, for me. I'd be more than happy to have to endure another season like that. What world are you/they living in? A season like last season is never going to lead to sustainable success. Bloody hell. What happens the season after that too? More Europa League football therefore another relegation battle? We might improve the squad, but we will be losing players as well. We need a manager who is capable of making something happen with this squad, whether we're in Europe or not. There are plenty of options out there too but people seem convinced that no one of any quality wants to touch us. Also how is it an improvement to match last seasons achievements having invested small last summer, big in January and presumably big this summer? That to me seems like a lot of investment to stand in the same place as last year, having nearly lost our place in the Premier League in between. Of course you could just look at us this season and suggest anything above 17th etc is an improvement, but if anything this season shows how Pardew is incapable or doing a job here. We should have been aiming to beat, match or get very close to last seasons achievements this year and look where we are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 Swine Flu: "I've disappointed as a human scourge." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Stu Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 Considering Pardew's history with clubs when they start going do i'd say we do.... Southampton, West Ham and Reading, once they went south he couldn't do anything to prevent the slide. When did Southampton go 'south' under his time there? It's lazy accusations like this which undermine this "history of Pardew suggests he'll be shit" argument. They appointed Adkins a few weeks after Pardew was fired and now, only 3 years on, they're on course to finish above us so that's how easy a job it was for a good manager. What are you trying to infer here..? I can't see how what you've written supports the assertion that Southampton were on the slide when Pardew was fired. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 I have seen nothing in his two seasons in charge to suggest we'll improve next season. The results might get a bit better (they couldnt get much worse) but we still have no discernible style further than backs to the wall and hoof it to the big lad totally unsuited to the role poacher up front. Our movement off the ball is non-existent, we have no pattern of play, our tactical changes and substitutions are baffling at best and the most damning indictment of all, he has made a group of very talented players look ordinary and one paced. It's telling that the new lads started with a bang and have gradually become more and more ineffective in almost direct proportion to the amount of time he has had to coach them. We can buy the best players in the world but if the effect of our traning and coaching sessions is to drag them down into negative mediocrity then we might as well save the money and just buy a load of cloggers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varadi Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 The latest quotes don't change anything imo - Ashley is the big unpredictable variable in the equation, it could very much go either way. Assuming of course we stay up - if we go down, he's gone for sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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