Alan Pardew

[colinmk]

What decent teams really get anywhere just by 'keeping it tight'? If you want to be a good side you need more than that about you.

 

Expectations seem high round these parts.

 

With an effective transfer budget of zero, a chairman actually taking £30m OUT of the club over a couple of years, the lowest paid manager in the league, and a bench full of geriatrics/kids, what makes you think the chairman shares your ambition for getting anywhere and being a good side?

 

Fair point. Unless he is really thick as shit then he must be able to see these are talented players though, you add 3/4 more good signings to the squad and maybe sacrifice one high earner and you've got a bloody good first 11 and a decent bench. Even without those additions to the squad I think another manager, any other premiership manager in fact would do a hell of a lot better. If he didn't give any kind of fuck he wouldn't be giving the go ahead for players like Cisse to sign. I'm not expecting us to win the league, just want to see some progression.

[Happy Face]

I've noticed that, i asked him about our style of play and the free kick hoofs. Maybe this will jog his memory.

 

Aye, dodging question all over aren't I.

 

There's a dozen of you and 2 of us expressing the counter argument.

 

I don't think Pardew is capable of implementing any style other than keeping it tight.  His set piece record is atrocious.

 

But then we scored from as many set pieces as Arsenal last season. Should Wenger be sacked for his awful set pieces?  We don't necessarily have to rely on them.

 

Arsenal don't have to rely on set pieces because they're great at creating chances as a team, you picked the worst possible team to compare us to. We could do with something to rely on because we can't create chances and we concede loads of goals, but he's shit at coaching set pieces as well. Incidentally, what are his good points as a manager?

 

That was the point of choosing Arsenal.  We've scored more goals from open play than 10 other teams...despite THE PLAYERS having one of the worst conversion rates in the league for the chances we create.  Arsenal are a more extreme example of a team who are "woeful" at set pieces, but compensate otherwise.

[Wullie]

I've never seen Arsenal pumping it into the box from a free kick in their own half like.

[Guest bimpy474]

I've noticed that, i asked him about our style of play and the free kick hoofs. Maybe this will jog his memory.

 

Aye, dodging question all over aren't I.

 

There's a dozen of you and 2 of us expressing the counter argument.

 

I don't think Pardew is capable of implementing any style other than keeping it tight.  His set piece record is atrocious.

But then we scored from as many set pieces as Arsenal last season. Should Wenger be sacked for his awful set pieces?  We don't necessarily have to rely on them.

 

 

Fair enough on your reply, cheers mate.

 

Second thing, the point about Arsenal is pathetic, seeing as they score freely from open play, have a good movement and have been high in the league every year. Its a ridiculous comparison.

 

We're no Arsenal. But we've scored more goals from open play than ten other teams.

 

What's infuriating is we all know the limitations with set pieces, we can't get a whipped ball onto the head of one of our players to save out life.  So we should work around the limitation and play set pieces short until we have the personnel to deliver on them.

 

Don't get me on the subject of Set pieces, i came up with the term Set Penis in state of anger, trust me i've been raging about them for a long long time.

[Dr Venkman]

I've noticed that, i asked him about our style of play and the free kick hoofs. Maybe this will jog his memory.

 

Aye, dodging question all over aren't I.

 

There's a dozen of you and 2 of us expressing the counter argument.

 

I don't think Pardew is capable of implementing any style other than keeping it tight.  His set piece record is atrocious.

 

But then we scored from as many set pieces as Arsenal last season. Should Wenger be sacked for his awful set pieces?  We don't necessarily have to rely on them.

 

Arsenal don't have to rely on set pieces because they're great at creating chances as a team, you picked the worst possible team to compare us to. We could do with something to rely on because we can't create chances and we concede loads of goals, but he's shit at coaching set pieces as well. Incidentally, what are his good points as a manager?

 

That was the point of choosing Arsenal.  We've scored more goals from open play than 10 other teams...despite THE PLAYERS having one of the worst conversion rates in the league for the chances we create.  Arsenal are a more extreme example of a team who are "woeful" at set pieces, but compensate otherwise.

 

I'm not really sure what your point is. We're bad at set pieces, we don't create many chances, we concede loads of goals.

[ponsaelius]

I'm stuck in Scotland with limited connection to the outside world. We really keeping him then?

[Guest Gemmill]

HF will attempt to engage in intelligent debate with the stupidest of people for a lot longer than most humans would allow*.

 

Spudil, you should enjoy the patience he's affording you and see if you can learn something, rather than resorting to abuse.

 

*He was the very last person to run out of patience with Leazes ffs.

 

Any thoughts on Pardew?

 

Aye he's struggled this season. He was never gonna lose his job if he kept us up though, and I don't think he deserves to lose it yet.

 

Let's see where we are 10 to 15 games into next season. If he's still struggling then it's time for him to go. In the meantime, he needs to be backed in the transfer market in the summer.

 

If he gets sacked now, it's back to square one, more transition. You've got to back the current bloke and give him a chance to get it right. When he's proven that he definitely can't do it, then he goes. We're not at that point yet with Pardew imo.

 

Out of interest do you agree with the theory that it's a bad idea to sack Pardew because we can't trust Ashley to appoint a proper replacement (this assumes the sacking is our decision, which is ridiculous).

 

Based on all of the evidence to hand, it's more likely than not that Ashley's managerial appointments will continue to be disappointing. Unless you know something I don't, I'm not sure what you've got to dispute that.

 

I just find it interesting given that you think Pardew should be backed with new players. If Ashley's true to form he'll buy him more of the same and he won't have a clue what to do with them either, don't you think?

 

If you keep the bloke in charge, then you back him. You're looking at this through your "he needs to go" lens, which I don't agree with.

[Guest bimpy474]

I get that most people use football as their escape from the mundane realities of everyday life (the wife, the job, the kids, the realisation that they're now in their thirties and still not headed in any meaningful direction in life, etc.) but when the escapism you crave isn't provided for you by the team you've chosen to support (often the case for many on here) then why not reduce some of the emotional capital you're investing into something that is providing you with negative returns and find something else to take your mind off the those mundane realities? Golf, fishing, reading, cinema, knitting?

 

Alternatively, you could continue to participate in the N-O game of melodramatic one-upmanship.

 

I'm sorry but that is hilarious and not in a good way. That is such a 'holier than thou' attitude towards supporting the club it's depressing. 'The club isn't going to reach your standards to make up for your s*** life so chose something else' seems to be the general theme. You can accept the realism that we're not great and we shoulsnt exopect to be and you can do so because it's not making up for deficiencies in your life?

 

I'm sorry but my life is great, and the football I've been subjected to this season is f***ing s****, mate. Totally unacceptable and none of the s**** excuses peddled wash. I'm sure this applies to everyone else too.

 

What a terrible post. Just so insular.

 

What a dumb post.......

I am successful , i want Newcastle to be getting better everyday .....It is the most positive thing i can thing of.

Escaping reality and disregarding the issues we have is being a failure.

Its true we might not be influential, in any of the decisions being made but it should not stop people from voicing out their opinions.

 

The way i see the arguments,

is people who analyses the game of football 

And the people who supports it

 

Simple as that , Clear as day to me .

 

When i look at Mrs Bimpy i thank god for Newcastle United and football, but now the football is as fuck ugly as she is

[Guest bimpy474]

I've never seen Arsenal pumping it into the box from a free kick in their own half like.

 

I've only really seen us, Stoke and West Ham do it more than most, and a few times Everton do it. It's as depressing as feck.

[Happy Face]

I've noticed that, i asked him about our style of play and the free kick hoofs. Maybe this will jog his memory.

 

Aye, dodging question all over aren't I.

 

There's a dozen of you and 2 of us expressing the counter argument.

 

I don't think Pardew is capable of implementing any style other than keeping it tight.  His set piece record is atrocious.

 

But then we scored from as many set pieces as Arsenal last season. Should Wenger be sacked for his awful set pieces?  We don't necessarily have to rely on them.

 

Arsenal don't have to rely on set pieces because they're great at creating chances as a team, you picked the worst possible team to compare us to. We could do with something to rely on because we can't create chances and we concede loads of goals, but he's shit at coaching set pieces as well. Incidentally, what are his good points as a manager?

 

That was the point of choosing Arsenal.  We've scored more goals from open play than 10 other teams...despite THE PLAYERS having one of the worst conversion rates in the league for the chances we create.  Arsenal are a more extreme example of a team who are "woeful" at set pieces, but compensate otherwise.

 

I'm not really sure what your point is. We're bad at set pieces, we don't create many chances, we concede loads of goals.

 

We have more shots on goal than any other club outside the top 7.

 

We have more shots on target than any other club outside the top 7.

 

Our conversion rate is the second worst in the league.

[Captain Underpants]

I'm stuck in Scotland with limited connection to the outside world. We really keeping him then?

 

Yes. And I'm keeping really calm and relaxed about it.

 

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[NG32]

I get that most people use football as their escape from the mundane realities of everyday life (the wife, the job, the kids, the realisation that they're now in their thirties and still not headed in any meaningful direction in life, etc.) but when the escapism you crave isn't provided for you by the team you've chosen to support (often the case for many on here) then why not reduce some of the emotional capital you're investing into something that is providing you with negative returns and find something else to take your mind off the those mundane realities? Golf, fishing, reading, cinema, knitting?

 

Alternatively, you could continue to participate in the N-O game of melodramatic one-upmanship.

 

I'm sorry but that is hilarious and not in a good way. That is such a 'holier than thou' attitude towards supporting the club it's depressing. 'The club isn't going to reach your standards to make up for your s*** life so chose something else' seems to be the general theme. You can accept the realism that we're not great and we shoulsnt exopect to be and you can do so because it's not making up for deficiencies in your life?

 

I'm sorry but my life is great, and the football I've been subjected to this season is f***ing s****, mate. Totally unacceptable and none of the s**** excuses peddled wash. I'm sure this applies to everyone else too.

 

What a terrible post. Just so insular.

 

 

 

Terrible post.  cannot be serious

[loki679]

I've noticed that, i asked him about our style of play and the free kick hoofs. Maybe this will jog his memory.

 

Aye, dodging question all over aren't I.

 

There's a dozen of you and 2 of us expressing the counter argument.

 

I don't think Pardew is capable of implementing any style other than keeping it tight.  His set piece record is atrocious.

 

But then we scored from as many set pieces as Arsenal last season. Should Wenger be sacked for his awful set pieces?  We don't necessarily have to rely on them.

 

Arsenal don't have to rely on set pieces because they're great at creating chances as a team, you picked the worst possible team to compare us to. We could do with something to rely on because we can't create chances and we concede loads of goals, but he's shit at coaching set pieces as well. Incidentally, what are his good points as a manager?

 

That was the point of choosing Arsenal.  We've scored more goals from open play than 10 other teams...despite THE PLAYERS having one of the worst conversion rates in the league for the chances we create.  Arsenal are a more extreme example of a team who are "woeful" at set pieces, but compensate otherwise.

 

I'm not really sure what your point is. We're bad at set pieces, we don't create many chances, we concede loads of goals.

 

We have more shots on goal than any other club outside the top 7.

 

We have more shots on target than any other club outside the top 7.

 

Our conversion rate is the second worst in the league.

 

Nearly half our shots were from outside the box, how does that compare to other PL sides?

 

edit:  wow, 55%, more than half

[Guest bimpy474]

I've noticed that, i asked him about our style of play and the free kick hoofs. Maybe this will jog his memory.

 

Aye, dodging question all over aren't I.

 

There's a dozen of you and 2 of us expressing the counter argument.

 

I don't think Pardew is capable of implementing any style other than keeping it tight.  His set piece record is atrocious.

 

But then we scored from as many set pieces as Arsenal last season. Should Wenger be sacked for his awful set pieces?  We don't necessarily have to rely on them.

 

Arsenal don't have to rely on set pieces because they're great at creating chances as a team, you picked the worst possible team to compare us to. We could do with something to rely on because we can't create chances and we concede loads of goals, but he's shit at coaching set pieces as well. Incidentally, what are his good points as a manager?

 

That was the point of choosing Arsenal.  We've scored more goals from open play than 10 other teams...despite THE PLAYERS having one of the worst conversion rates in the league for the chances we create.  Arsenal are a more extreme example of a team who are "woeful" at set pieces, but compensate otherwise.

 

I'm not really sure what your point is. We're bad at set pieces, we don't create many chances, we concede loads of goals.

 

We have more shots on goal than any other club outside the top 7.

 

We have more shots on target than any other club outside the top 7.

 

Our conversion rate is the second worst in the league.

 

I remember one game where we had a shit load of shots, nearly all of them were pathetic long range shots which trickled to the GK. We never cut teams open, we very rarely get in behind teams, we never have nice little one twos around the box. Only the Fulham game at home can i remember us creating lots of decent chances.

 

Stats don't always show the real story. We play shit football most of the time, plain and simple.

[wyn davies]

I believe Pardew is not as secure as the chronicle believes he is, in other words the chronicle is fence sitting and writing  complete load of bollocks, time will tell.

[Guest icemanblue]

I've noticed that, i asked him about our style of play and the free kick hoofs. Maybe this will jog his memory.

 

Aye, dodging question all over aren't I.

 

There's a dozen of you and 2 of us expressing the counter argument.

 

I don't think Pardew is capable of implementing any style other than keeping it tight.  His set piece record is atrocious.

 

But then we scored from as many set pieces as Arsenal last season. Should Wenger be sacked for his awful set pieces?  We don't necessarily have to rely on them.

 

Arsenal don't have to rely on set pieces because they're great at creating chances as a team, you picked the worst possible team to compare us to. We could do with something to rely on because we can't create chances and we concede loads of goals, but he's shit at coaching set pieces as well. Incidentally, what are his good points as a manager?

 

That was the point of choosing Arsenal.  We've scored more goals from open play than 10 other teams...despite THE PLAYERS having one of the worst conversion rates in the league for the chances we create.  Arsenal are a more extreme example of a team who are "woeful" at set pieces, but compensate otherwise.

 

I'm not really sure what your point is. We're bad at set pieces, we don't create many chances, we concede loads of goals.

 

We have more shots on goal than any other club outside the top 7.

 

We have more shots on target than any other club outside the top 7.

 

Our conversion rate is the second worst in the league.

 

Nearly half our shots were from outside the box, how does that compare to other PL sides?

 

Less than Spurs, managed by football's guardian angel - AVB. Stats.

[Hanshithispantz]

Stats mean very little on their own; nobody at all watching us this season can genuinely believe we are a cohesive attacking unit.

[Benwell Lad]

I believe Pardew is not as secure as the chronicle believes he is, in other words the chronicle is fence sitting and writing  complete load of bollocks, time will tell.

 

Agree.

The notion that Ashley will keep him because of a previous statement, contract, friendship or whatever is wrong.

Ashley is a ruthless operator when it comes to running his business and wouldn't think twice about cutting his losses.

That said, I think Pardew will be around next season.

[Ste]

I don't believe that the Chronicle know what is going on, they're just fence sitting incase he does stay and they've said he's a goner.

 

His position will be questioned after the Arsenal game if it hasn't been already. I do think he'll be here for pre-season. We have underachieved massively, but they believed in Pardew enough to hand him a 8 year contract after one great season, so I doubt they will be knee-jerk about any decision. A lot will depend on player happiness, managers currently available and without a club, and just how much ambition Ashley and Llambias have.

[Dr Venkman]

HF will attempt to engage in intelligent debate with the stupidest of people for a lot longer than most humans would allow*.

 

Spudil, you should enjoy the patience he's affording you and see if you can learn something, rather than resorting to abuse.

 

*He was the very last person to run out of patience with Leazes ffs.

 

Any thoughts on Pardew?

 

Aye he's struggled this season. He was never gonna lose his job if he kept us up though, and I don't think he deserves to lose it yet.

 

Let's see where we are 10 to 15 games into next season. If he's still struggling then it's time for him to go. In the meantime, he needs to be backed in the transfer market in the summer.

 

If he gets sacked now, it's back to square one, more transition. You've got to back the current bloke and give him a chance to get it right. When he's proven that he definitely can't do it, then he goes. We're not at that point yet with Pardew imo.

 

Out of interest do you agree with the theory that it's a bad idea to sack Pardew because we can't trust Ashley to appoint a proper replacement (this assumes the sacking is our decision, which is ridiculous).

 

Based on all of the evidence to hand, it's more likely than not that Ashley's managerial appointments will continue to be disappointing. Unless you know something I don't, I'm not sure what you've got to dispute that.

 

I just find it interesting given that you think Pardew should be backed with new players. If Ashley's true to form he'll buy him more of the same and he won't have a clue what to do with them either, don't you think?

 

If you keep the bloke in charge, then you back him. You're looking at this through your "he needs to go" lens, which I don't agree with.

 

If you only buy players of a certain type, you have to have the right bloke in charge.

[Happy Face]

Stats mean very little on their own; nobody at all watching us this season can genuinely believe we are a cohesive attacking unit.

 

Yeah, you can prove anything with facts can't you

 

Stats account for very little. But when someone says "we create very little"  and the facts show we create more chances than 13 other teams then the stats show that person is wrong.

[Wullie]

Which facts show we create more chances than 13 other teams?

[Super Duper Branko Strupar]

Stats mean very little on their own; nobody at all watching us this season can genuinely believe we are a cohesive attacking unit.

 

Yeah, you can prove anything with facts can't you

 

Stats account for very little. But when someone says "we create very little"  and the facts show we create more chances than 13 other teams then the stats show that person is wrong.

 

Not if they're shots that are never going to amount to much. Like all those long range one's. What are our shots on target stats compared to others in the league?

 

You're not defending the team or how we play here, you're just defending your own stance.

[Happy Face]

I've noticed that, i asked him about our style of play and the free kick hoofs. Maybe this will jog his memory.

 

Aye, dodging question all over aren't I.

 

There's a dozen of you and 2 of us expressing the counter argument.

 

I don't think Pardew is capable of implementing any style other than keeping it tight.  His set piece record is atrocious.

 

But then we scored from as many set pieces as Arsenal last season. Should Wenger be sacked for his awful set pieces?  We don't necessarily have to rely on them.

 

Arsenal don't have to rely on set pieces because they're great at creating chances as a team, you picked the worst possible team to compare us to. We could do with something to rely on because we can't create chances and we concede loads of goals, but he's shit at coaching set pieces as well. Incidentally, what are his good points as a manager?

 

That was the point of choosing Arsenal.  We've scored more goals from open play than 10 other teams...despite THE PLAYERS having one of the worst conversion rates in the league for the chances we create.  Arsenal are a more extreme example of a team who are "woeful" at set pieces, but compensate otherwise.

 

I'm not really sure what your point is. We're bad at set pieces, we don't create many chances, we concede loads of goals.

 

We have more shots on goal than any other club outside the top 7.

 

We have more shots on target than any other club outside the top 7.

 

Our conversion rate is the second worst in the league.

 

Nearly half our shots were from outside the box, how does that compare to other PL sides?

 

edit:  wow, 55%, more than half

 

We're on 50%

 

Spurs are on 55%

 

....but we take more shots than the other teams.

 

Look at the breakdown of shoits inside and outside the box in terms of numbers rather than percentages and we're by no means the worst.

 

We've had 263 shots from inside the box this season.  More than 7 per game. More than 8 other teams.

 

 

All from our own box as we're pegged back according to some on here

[Dr Venkman]

Stats mean very little on their own; nobody at all watching us this season can genuinely believe we are a cohesive attacking unit.

 

Yeah, you can prove anything with facts can't you

 

Stats account for very little. But when someone says "we create very little"  and the facts show we create more chances than 13 other teams then the stats show that person is wrong.

 

Did you use some figures that included long range shots? So all of Tiote's attempts at shooting count as a chance created?