Mick Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 I totally agree with that policy. At the end of the season I was disappointed to read a quote from Debuchy saying he wasn't going to be learning English during the Summer. If you're getting paid Premier League footballer wages learning English isn't too much to ask. Intensive English classes 3 times a week isn't very much. The club can't force players to learn English, the club would be much better off trying to encourage them rather than trying to force them to do something that they could refuse to do and the club would be able to do nothing about it. Having a clause in their contracts could make a difference as they would then have signed to say they will learn the language but I don't know how enforceable it would be. We had a number of foreign workers at work and had massive problems communicating and we wanted to force them to learn English. We contacted an employment lawyer who we work with and they told us to back off and if communication was that important to us a company then we would learn their language. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRD Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 Must say it's more effective and practical for everyone to learn one common language instead of 4, 5 different ones. I don't think it's entirely unreasonable for an employer to expect his employees to learn the basics of the working language where they are atm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 Must say it's more effective and practical for everyone to learn one common language instead of 4, 5 different ones. I don't think it's entirely unreasonable for an employer to expect his employees to learn the basics of the working language where they are atm. It doesn't matter what we think, some prick or pricks in Europe will have made the decision. It's probably seen as being against their human rights or some shit like that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRD Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 Must say it's more effective and practical for everyone to learn one common language instead of 4, 5 different ones. I don't think it's entirely unreasonable for an employer to expect his employees to learn the basics of the working language where they are atm. It doesn't matter what we think, some prick or pricks in Europe will have made the decision. It's probably seen as being against their human rights or some s*** like that. You would think they have a bit of logic that learning the language will help those employees in more ways than one. Unless they are going to stay at home after work, they will encounter the language everywhere they go. Not as if you are asking them for anything more than conversational English anyway. There's ensuring employee rights and there's being a PC idiot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 I totally agree with that policy. At the end of the season I was disappointed to read a quote from Debuchy saying he wasn't going to be learning English during the Summer. If you're getting paid Premier League footballer wages learning English isn't too much to ask. Intensive English classes 3 times a week isn't very much. The club can't force players to learn English, the club would be much better off trying to encourage them rather than trying to force them to do something that they could refuse to do and the club would be able to do nothing about it. Having a clause in their contracts could make a difference as they would then have signed to say they will learn the language but I don't know how enforceable it would be. We had a number of foreign workers at work and had massive problems communicating and we wanted to force them to learn English. We contacted an employment lawyer who we work with and they told us to back off and if communication was that important to us a company then we would learn their language. Yep once you've hired them you can't sack them for refusing to learn English. Which is ridiculous, if I refused to learn something required in my work I'd be sacked and wouldn't have a leg to stand on. The key is to not hire them in the first place if they can't speak English. Easier said than done for a Football club though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveItIfWeBeatU Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 I don't know if it is but it should be a part of the contract that players try their best to learn the language. They get a lot of free time. Carlos Tévez arrived at West Ham in August 2006 and if I'm not mistaken he was famous for not learning English in all his time here in England. We don't want a situation like that with our players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRD Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 I don't know if it is but it should be a part of the contract that players try their best to learn the language. They get a lot of free time. Carlos Tévez arrived at West Ham in August 2006 and if I'm not mistaken he was famous for not learning English in all his time here in England. We don't want a situation like that with our players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRD Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 His interview when Man City won the title was even worse iirc. Looked absolutely terrified of the mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David28 Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 I don't know if it is but it should be a part of the contract that players try their best to learn the language. They get a lot of free time. Carlos Tévez arrived at West Ham in August 2006 and if I'm not mistaken he was famous for not learning English in all his time here in England. We don't want a situation like that with our players. Haha, never really heard him speak before. :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 Must say it's more effective and practical for everyone to learn one common language instead of 4, 5 different ones. I don't think it's entirely unreasonable for an employer to expect his employees to learn the basics of the working language where they are atm. It doesn't matter what we think, some prick or pricks in Europe will have made the decision. It's probably seen as being against their human rights or some shit like that. Hang on a second, if someone can't speak a certain language that you deem important in the workplace, to a standard you deem adequate, surely you just don't give them the job? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 Hang on a second, if someone can't speak a certain language that you deem important in the workplace, to a standard you deem adequate, surely you just don't give them the job? I didn't, somebody else did. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 Page 442 incoming. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 Mick's suddenly become a Pardew sympathiser. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 I totally agree with that policy. At the end of the season I was disappointed to read a quote from Debuchy saying he wasn't going to be learning English during the Summer. If you're getting paid Premier League footballer wages learning English isn't too much to ask. Intensive English classes 3 times a week isn't very much. The club can't force players to learn English, the club would be much better off trying to encourage them rather than trying to force them to do something that they could refuse to do and the club would be able to do nothing about it. Having a clause in their contracts could make a difference as they would then have signed to say they will learn the language but I don't know how enforceable it would be. We had a number of foreign workers at work and had massive problems communicating and we wanted to force them to learn English. We contacted an employment lawyer who we work with and they told us to back off and if communication was that important to us a company then we would learn their language. I've never heard such ridiculous tripe in my life - if you go to a foreign country, the onus is on YOU to be able to do the job they require of you ; it may or may not require you to learn the language, but if it does, then if you take the job with that understanding, they are within their rights to fire you if you fail to do the job properly because you can't speak the language. Try going to France and trying to get a job in which it is vital to learn the language if you aren't proficient in French ; try it in ANY foreign country(where they have politicians with ba--s) and you'll be on your bike smartish. The sooner the UK leaves the EU and repeals the ridiculous Human Rights Act, the better - the whole thing is just a money-making racket for lawyers and if anyone on here knows anything about Shakespeare, they will remember that during a discussion about improving the lot of people, he said ' First, we have to kill all the lawyers..!' It really isn't a life or death issue if footballers are not proficient in the language of the country in which they play as long as they can use the basics during a game but as with any situation where people are in a foreign country, life is much easier if you CAN speak the language. There is no doubt that I would learn the local lingo if I lived in a country where it was necessary - I even brushed up my Spanish for a S.American trip 3 years ago and it was worth it. As for sodding lawyers telling me to 'back off' from instructing foreign workers to learn the language in order to do the job properly - good luck with THAT one because I just wouldn't employ any. Bastards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 The Human Rights Act certainly needs repealing and for the record a lot of lawyers (I'll hopefully be one soon) actually agree with you on that. Not that it has much at all to do with what we're discussing in here, or Britain's place in the EU which has even less relevance here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 I totally agree with that policy. At the end of the season I was disappointed to read a quote from Debuchy saying he wasn't going to be learning English during the Summer. If you're getting paid Premier League footballer wages learning English isn't too much to ask. Intensive English classes 3 times a week isn't very much. The club can't force players to learn English, the club would be much better off trying to encourage them rather than trying to force them to do something that they could refuse to do and the club would be able to do nothing about it. Having a clause in their contracts could make a difference as they would then have signed to say they will learn the language but I don't know how enforceable it would be. We had a number of foreign workers at work and had massive problems communicating and we wanted to force them to learn English. We contacted an employment lawyer who we work with and they told us to back off and if communication was that important to us a company then we would learn their language. I've never heard such ridiculous tripe in my life - if you go to a foreign country, the onus is on YOU to be able to do the job they require of you ; it may or may not require you to learn the language, but if it does, then if you take the job with that understanding, they are within their rights to fire you if you fail to do the job properly because you can't speak the language. Try going to France and trying to get a job in which it is vital to learn the language if you aren't proficient in French ; try it in ANY foreign country(where they have politicians with ba--s) and you'll be on your bike smartish. The sooner the UK leaves the EU and repeals the ridiculous Human Rights Act, the better - the whole thing is just a money-making racket for lawyers and if anyone on here knows anything about Shakespeare, they will remember that during a discussion about improving the lot of people, he said ' First, we have to kill all the lawyers..!' It really isn't a life or death issue if footballers are not proficient in the language of the country in which they play as long as they can use the basics during a game but as with any situation where people are in a foreign country, life is much easier if you CAN speak the language. There is no doubt that I would learn the local lingo if I lived in a country where it was necessary - I even brushed up my Spanish for a S.American trip 3 years ago and it was worth it. As for sodding lawyers telling me to 'back off' from instructing foreign workers to learn the language in order to do the job properly - good luck with THAT one because I just wouldn't employ any. Bastards. Genuine question, are there any rules or regulations stating that certain groups of people or individuals must be employed regardless of their language skills? I'm finding it really hard to get my head around people being given jobs when they're not suitable. That's the employers fault, not the candidate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 Hang on a second, if someone can't speak a certain language that you deem important in the workplace, to a standard you deem adequate, surely you just don't give them the job? I didn't, somebody else did. Well that's the employers fault then isn't it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 This knacker still here then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 This knacker still here then? No, sacked last night, Guardiola changed his mind on Bayern. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 Imagine our staff doing a 'Learn English Day!' at the training ground 9.00am - Introduction 9.30am - Grammar and structure - Mr A. Pardew 10.30am - Break 11.00am - Pronunciation and choice vocabulary - Mr J. Kinnear 12.00pm - Lunch 1.00pm - Queen's English and how to speak it - Mr J. Carver 2.00pm - Video - Series 2, Episode 1 of Auf Wiedersehen, Pet 3.00pm - Break 3.30pm - The first, second and mainly third person - special guest speaker Mr G. Roeder 4.30pm - Home time Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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merlin Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 The Human Rights Act certainly needs repealing and for the record a lot of lawyers (I'll hopefully be one soon) actually agree with you on that. Not that it has much at all to do with what we're discussing in here, or Britain's place in the EU which has even less relevance here. Not quite right there - it is a requirement of EU membership that a country becomes a signatory of the ECHR...which, although slightly different, would still be used by Human Rights lawyers to enforce legislation similar to that which affected Mick's firm. Therefore it IS relevant to this discussion because on the face of it, the UK would have to leave the EU if it refused to comply....I bet they would soon back down if the UK called their bluff, though.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 This knacker still here then? No, sacked last night, Guardiola changed his mind on Bayern. to be honest, i was trying to get to page 442. couldn't think of anything else to post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 The Human Rights Act certainly needs repealing and for the record a lot of lawyers (I'll hopefully be one soon) actually agree with you on that. Not that it has much at all to do with what we're discussing in here, or Britain's place in the EU which has even less relevance here. Not quite right there - it is a requirement of EU membership that a country becomes a signatory of the ECHR...which, although slightly different, would still be used by Human Rights lawyers to enforce legislation similar to that which affected Mick's firm. Therefore it IS relevant to this discussion because on the face of it, the UK would have to leave the EU if it refused to comply....I bet they would soon back down if the UK called their bluff, though.... There's absolutely no way we'd be required to leave the EU if we repealed the Act and reverted to the domestic legislation, which is perfectly fine. As you say, they'd back down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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