Guest neesy111 Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 I can see why fatigue and travel would indeed mean sticking Cisse on the wing. Jonas LB. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 I know we've been through this a million times, but I still think travel fatigue and lack of preparation time between games is much more important than match tiredness. Especially for a manager like Pardew who thinks so much about the opposition. Personally think lack of preparation is the main issue, we heard how they plan an entire weeks worth & spend most of that on defensive work. We also saw the result of that being that we had a strong season defensively in the majority of games bar a few. I dont much believe thats a coincidence myself. He didnt deal well with Europe affecting prem games, hes not the best manager in the world. He is quite defensive & i do think he should find this upcoming season easier which is better for everyone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 We played shit all season because Pardew's football was shit, it's pretty simple to get like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 Can people please try and get some quotes if they are saying other managers will think this or that. Otherwise it's your own opinion and nothing else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 I know we've been through this a million times, but I still think travel fatigue and lack of preparation time between games is much more important than match tiredness. Especially for a manager like Pardew who thinks so much about the opposition. Personally think lack of preparation is the main issue, we heard how they plan an entire weeks worth & spend most of that on defensive work. We also saw the result of that being that we had a strong season defensively in the majority of games bar a few. I dont much believe thats a coincidence myself. He didnt deal well with Europe affecting prem games, hes not the best manager in the world. He is quite defensive & i do think he should find this upcoming season easier which is better for everyone. Our defensive record last season was terrible, nearly the worst we've ever had. Europa we were quite strong defensively tbf but in the league we let in 71 goals, that's just shocking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 No doubt he used Europe as an excuse. The only people who don't seem to accept that Europe is a factor are people on this forum from what I can see. Everyone else in football seems to readily accept that it's a factor that makes the season harder. It's a factor, it's not a vaild excuse for being s*** all season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 Can people please try and get some quotes if they are saying other managers will think this or that. Otherwise it's your own opinion and nothing else. Not really, I can't be bothered. I remember hearing on many occasions managers and pundits saying that Europa League makes the season harder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 I know we've been through this a million times, but I still think travel fatigue and lack of preparation time between games is much more important than match tiredness. Especially for a manager like Pardew who thinks so much about the opposition. Personally think lack of preparation is the main issue, we heard how they plan an entire weeks worth & spend most of that on defensive work. We also saw the result of that being that we had a strong season defensively in the majority of games bar a few. I dont much believe thats a coincidence myself. He didnt deal well with Europe affecting prem games, hes not the best manager in the world. He is quite defensive & i do think he should find this upcoming season easier which is better for everyone. Our defensive record last season was terrible, nearly the worst we've ever had. Europa we were quite strong defensively tbf but in the league we let in 71 goals, that's just shocking. Last season yeah, when preparation was affected. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 Can people please try and get some quotes if they are saying other managers will think this or that. Otherwise it's your own opinion and nothing else. Not really, I can't be bothered. I remember hearing on many occasions managers and pundits saying that Europa League makes the season harder. I agree with this Ian, it still doesn't explain the football. You can play in Europe and still play decent stuff, yes you are more tired but that doesn't mean you have to play shit football because of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 So why was our form worse when out of Europe then, those defending the European excuse then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 I know we've been through this a million times, but I still think travel fatigue and lack of preparation time between games is much more important than match tiredness. Especially for a manager like Pardew who thinks so much about the opposition. Personally think lack of preparation is the main issue, we heard how they plan an entire weeks worth & spend most of that on defensive work. We also saw the result of that being that we had a strong season defensively in the majority of games bar a few. I dont much believe thats a coincidence myself. He didnt deal well with Europe affecting prem games, hes not the best manager in the world. He is quite defensive & i do think he should find this upcoming season easier which is better for everyone. Our defensive record last season was terrible, nearly the worst we've ever had. Europa we were quite strong defensively tbf but in the league we let in 71 goals, that's just shocking. Last season yeah, when preparation was affected. That's the thing though, in the 3 month break in the Europa league and after we got knocked out, our defensive performance were worse. How does that tally with preparation. It doesn't, it was the stale, lifeless football Pardew played, it really is that simple. You don't win games playing the way we did. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 Can people please try and get some quotes if they are saying other managers will think this or that. Otherwise it's your own opinion and nothing else. PULIS "It's very difficult in respect of the travelling. I got into bed at about a quarter to five on Friday morning after the Besiktas game! It takes it out of the players. Their level dropped off because of the travel and the shortage of time we had to work with them." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 Can people please try and get some quotes if they are saying other managers will think this or that. Otherwise it's your own opinion and nothing else. Not really, I can't be bothered. I remember hearing on many occasions managers and pundits saying that Europa League makes the season harder. I agree with this Ian, it still doesn't explain the football. You can play in Europe and still play decent stuff, yes you are more tired but that doesn't mean you have to play s*** football because of it. Agree with you Ian about it being harder, I don't deny that. It's the fact that it was pushed as a constant excuse (especially towards the end of the season) as the one and only excuse for our awful overall performance in the league. You can see it was obviously drilled into the players too as a few of them have come out and spouted the same shit. It's an excuse that was far too easily peddled instead of trying to rectify. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 How come sbr never lost a league game after a champions league match? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 So why was our form worse when out of Europe then, those defending the European excuse then? Because we had injuries, bad player form, and Pardew was poor. Nobody is saying Europe is the only reason we were bad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 MOYES Moyes has blamed the strain of playing so many games in Europe for some of Everton's problems, but he believes they can still qualify for the next stage of the tournament. He said: "We have lost a couple of Europa League games, but we are still second in our group and very much in the competition. Away to AEK Athens in our next match could just about see us qualify. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 How come sbr never lost a league game after a champions league match? He was a good manager ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 How come sbr never lost a league game after a champions league match? Warp time speed back to NCL? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 How come sbr never lost a league game after a champions league match? Because he was a quality manager, who never believed in negativity and always had a positive outlook on it all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 Moyes is already wailing over the Man U fixture list. Not a good sign. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 How come sbr never lost a league game after a champions league match? Because he was a quality manager, who never believed in negativity and always had a positive outlook on it all. http://gifsforum.com/images/gif/you%20are%20good/grand/you-are-good-eccbc87e4b5ce2fe28308fd9f2a7baf3-248.gif Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 It's just common sense it makes things tougher, don't need quotes, don't need to be a manager, you don't need to be a player. If you're preparing two different sets of tactics for two matches in space of a few days rather than just having the usual Saturday to Saturday general routine, it's obviously going to be more difficult having the two. Especially when a lot of our players weren’t used to that format and neither was our manager. It was a learning curve for everyone, no surprises Pardew is happy to have a break from it so he can solely concentrate on the league to try and get things back on track, obviously we have League/FA cup but that’s nothing new (we’ll still go out early). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 How come sbr never lost a league game after a champions league match? Because he was a quality manager, who never believed in negativity and always had a positive outlook on it all. http://gifsforum.com/images/gif/you%20are%20good/grand/you-are-good-eccbc87e4b5ce2fe28308fd9f2a7baf3-248.gif That was such a Phil Dunphy quote too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 This season is where we find out what he's really like. He's got a squad far better than the one he started with last season. He's had a bad season to learn a few things. If there's anything about him we'll find out this year. He's got a squad more than capable of finishing top 8. Let's see if he can do it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 This season is where we find out what he's really like. He's got a squad far better than the one he started with last season. He's had a bad season to learn a few things. If there's anything about him we'll find out this year. He's got a squad more than capable of finishing top 8. Let's see if he can do it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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