Hanshithispantz Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 Hans, there are a lot of 'what if' arguments in your post, they don't necessarily mean that Pardew should be sacked. What if they don't happen? What if a new manager comes in and they happen anyway, or something even worse? Dealing in hypothetical situations is interesting to a certain extent, but it doesn't really go towards showing whether Pardew should be sacked or not. We have this season and last season to go on, and we'll have to draw our conclusions from that. Eh? The entire argument for keeping Pardew is based on a "what if?", "what if we don't get anyone better?". In fact every single argument based on a future tense is, considering we're not physchic 'n that, it's all about how probable these what ifs are. I would understand if the variables I suggested were pie in the sky but I would say they are pretty fucking likely, especially considering they are actually based on things that have happened in the last 2 seasons, ie Jonas has diminished from last season to this, the new recruits have struggled to gel, (in Happy Face's opinion) the players do panic after 45 minutes and cower back into their own half, and I don't think it's that improbable that the players mentioned may leave? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 Wind? Fucking hell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 That and the likes of Sissoko who looked a beast the first few weeks he was here, now looking more like a f***ing chicken. Pardew's negative ways effecting their game and with it our game. You seriously blaming Pardew for his lack of form due to Pardew's negative way? Sissoko did well to look a 'beast' in the first place in an unfamiliar position and a new league to contend with. Pardew's answer to his demise was to play him right wing against Liverpool, that was his clueless part. Pardew should at least take some of the praise for having the sense to play him in an advanced role which massively helped us gain wins against Villa and Chelsea. Unfortunately this form then wasn't sustained as clubs became a lot more familiar with him and he wasn't the surprise package anymore so obviously other managers would pick up on his glaring attacking weaknesses, Pardew just didn't have the sense to look and change this. Either a)drop him or b) play him in his preferred position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 MARTIN SAMUEL - THE DEBATE: Why turn to Pellegrini - the man who blew £200m at Real Madrid - when there's Pardew, Poyet, Martinez (or even Justin Edinburgh...)? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2325090/MARTIN-SAMUEL--THE-DEBATE-Why-turn-Pellegrini--man-blew-200m-Real-Madrid--theres-Pardew-Poyet-Martinez-Justin-Edinburgh--.html It would be just like when we took Souness from Blackburn, I'm all for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 This is where your argument falls apart though, I don't think there's a person on this site who would argue that Pardew hasn't quite had the luck of the draw, and if it wasn't for the many injuries, and if Ashley invested £20m in the Summer we probably wouldn't have had quite the disastrous season that we had. Everyone recognises this. However - and you can use your "evidence based deductions" here - what if we have similar problems next season? What if Cabaye, HBA, Cisse & Coloccini do all leave and the new recruits to replace them either are not brought in or just flop? He struggles massively as it is without the latter. What if after 45 minutes players (in your own words) continue to tire in matches, panic, and resort to sitting 5 yards from our goal-line frantically trying to hoof the ball as far from their presence as possible? What if his savior Jonas Gutierrez continues to diminish and is no longer capable of preventing us falling to 6 and 7 goal scorelines? If that happens then once again it will be Ashley who has failed the club in not providing a squad that can cope with the demands. If we have a fit squad, with ample quality on the bench too and Pardew has a bad start he will have no excuses when he is fired. If we have that and pardew picks up where he left off LAST season...Europa here we come. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 Wind? f***ing hell. Aye the weather. Can it or can it nor have an effect on how a team plays? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 That and the likes of Sissoko who looked a beast the first few weeks he was here, now looking more like a f***ing chicken. Pardew's negative ways effecting their game and with it our game. You seriously blaming Pardew for his lack of form due to Pardew's negative way? Sissoko did well to look a 'beast' in the first place in an unfamiliar position and a new league to contend with. Pardew's answer to his demise was to play him right wing against Liverpool, that was his clueless part. Pardew should at least take some of the praise for having the sense to play him in an advanced role which massively helped us gain wins against Villa and Chelsea. Unfortunately this form then wasn't sustained as clubs became a lot more familiar with him and he wasn't the surprise package anymore so obviously other managers would pick up on his glaring attacking weaknesses, Pardew just didn't have the sense to look and change this. Either a)drop him or b) play him in his preferred position. Pardew didn't have him playing as a number 10, he had him in CM, Sissoko only ended up in that kind of role/position because the game was becoming stretched and he was released from his shackles and getting more space and freedom to run forwards and get at the opposition. First half against Chelsea stuck in CM he was running into traffic constantly. Only Pardew would claim he turned Sissoko into a number 10 or rather that he deserves the credit for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 We stopped playing long balls because it was windy.....for 3 months? :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 We stopped playing long balls because it was windy.....for 3 months? :lol: No because Pardew is is da best innit... Look, your stats are meaningless because they do not factor in lots of things such as time of long ball, oppoistion, pressure from an opponent, player on the ball, what the score was, weather factors even Love how you pick on the one thing though... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 Newcastle is a fucking windy city mind. We played 5-a-side a few weeks back on one of those 60mph type wind days and when you tried to hit it long the ball would swirl back and hit you flat in your face. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gemmill Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 Would be good if we could get a chart with long balls in columns by match, overlaid with wind speed for that day. Put this one to bed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 That and the likes of Sissoko who looked a beast the first few weeks he was here, now looking more like a f***ing chicken. Pardew's negative ways effecting their game and with it our game. You seriously blaming Pardew for his lack of form due to Pardew's negative way? Sissoko did well to look a 'beast' in the first place in an unfamiliar position and a new league to contend with. Pardew's answer to his demise was to play him right wing against Liverpool, that was his clueless part. Pardew should at least take some of the praise for having the sense to play him in an advanced role which massively helped us gain wins against Villa and Chelsea. Unfortunately this form then wasn't sustained as clubs became a lot more familiar with him and he wasn't the surprise package anymore so obviously other managers would pick up on his glaring attacking weaknesses, Pardew just didn't have the sense to look and change this. Either a)drop him or b) play him in his preferred position. Pardew didn't have him playing as a number 10, he had him in CM, Sissoko only ended up in that kind of role/position because the game was becoming stretched and he was released from his shackles and getting more space and freedom to run forwards and get at the opposition. First half against Chelsea stuck in CM he was running into traffic constantly. Only Pardew would claim he turned Sissoko into a number 10 or rather that he deserves the credit for it. Nonsense. Sissoko has played behind Cisse for the majority of games since he arrived. Cabaye/Tiote/Anita/Perch, have mainly all been behind him. Sissoko has then reverted deeper in a few games once we've already been rolled over in the latter stages. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 I've not picked on one thing. People have harped on about us sitting on top of the chart for long balls. That's a fact used to beat Pardew up. But its a problem that has been rectified. Only the seasonal averages of Arsenal and Man City are lower than ours for the last 12 games. I'm really amazed how few people can comprehend this simple point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest palnese Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 What exactly counts as a long ball? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy Ren Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 Can someone please change the title to Pardew and the long ball as everytime I check in here I get my hopes up that the chronicle believes Alan Pardew is in line for the sack Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 As far as I can see, you're the only one who keeps harping on about long balls because it's got a stat attached to it. Personally I'm more concerned about how fucking dire we are every week. I agree with you btw, that the amount of long balls has decreased of late, at least in the first half when we still maintain a vague interest in scoring a goal. The football is still negative and ineffective though and that'll be the case no matter how many stats you can find. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 The long balls has decreased but our football has been just as dreadful still, which tells me Pardew doesn't know what to do to get the football better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 What exactly counts as a long ball? Apparently we're not allowed to talk about that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 I've not picked on one thing. People have harped on about us sitting on top of the chart for long balls. That's a fact used to beat Pardew up. But its a problem that has been rectified. Only the seasonal averages of Arsenal and Man City are lower than ours for the last 12 games. I'm really amazed how few people can comprehend this simple point. I'm amazed that you believe it's acceptable to compare the averages of our last 12 games against the averages of other teams over a 37 game period. We played 69 long balls against West Ham, equal to the highest average in the league over 37 games (us). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 The long balls has decreased but our football has been just as dreadful still, which tells me Pardew doesn't know what to do to get the football better. Not really, just tells you he sets us up far to negatively and the team has no flow/balance/movement to it. Imo he knows exactly what to do as was evident more last season and rare occasions during this year, he simply refuses to do it for some reason. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy Ren Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 Thank Fook it's now just Alan Pardew....thank you to whoever changed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 Can we all not just agree we've been uber shit and be done with it?! Because we have been uber shit, and the manager takes responsibility for that. If he doesn't then he's not the manager and should be replaced by whoever does take responsibility. At this point I don't think anyone cares about how much one poster needs to clarify to another why they think their point of view is right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 As far as I can see, you're the only one who keeps harping on about long balls because it's got a stat attached to it. Personally I'm more concerned about how fucking dire we are every week. I agree with you btw, that the amount of long balls has decreased of late, at least in the first half when we still maintain a vague interest in scoring a goal. The football is still negative and ineffective though and that'll be the case no matter how many stats you can find. None of my posts this morning said a word about it until Venky started on about it again. I've only ever mentioned it in response to people incorrectly saying Pardew is playing long ball, based on what we were doing before...not what we are doing now. It's settled afaic. Only the question of whether the wind made the difference or not left Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Slippery Sam Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 I'm surprised Ashley hasn't got wind turbines on the top of the Milburn/Leazes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 As far as I can see, you're the only one who keeps harping on about long balls because it's got a stat attached to it. Personally I'm more concerned about how fucking dire we are every week. I agree with you btw, that the amount of long balls has decreased of late, at least in the first half when we still maintain a vague interest in scoring a goal. The football is still negative and ineffective though and that'll be the case no matter how many stats you can find. None of my posts this morning said a word about it until Venky started on about it again. I've only ever mentioned it in response to people incorrectly saying Pardew is playing long ball, based on what we were doing before...not what we are doing now. It's settled afaic. Only the question of whether the wind made the difference or not left We play less long balls now than we did earlier in the season, that's fine by me. We're shit, it's his fault. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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