Tiotes Witch Doctor Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 Definitely want to see more of Anita, he didn't always look great but he had some very good games last season but was almost always replaced in the next game regardless of how great a performance he put in. You can tell he has the tools at his disposal to be a big hit but he just isn't being given the chance, even with an injury in central midfield I could still see Pardew doing something stupid like playing Gosling there or moving Gutierrez there. (he is better central like) Based on the majority of last season it should be Tiote & Gutierrez who are on the bench fighting for their places, not starting every bastard game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 I think in Pardew's mind, Anita playing where Tiote and Perch when Tiote wasn't fit, will not work because Anita doesn't have "the tackle in there". Seeing as football is having the tackles taken out of it, to still think that way is so dumb it sums him up. You don't need to be a great tackler to track and hassle another player, you need positioning above everything else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 Can't help but think Anita will be that player who leaves, does well at other clubs and we will all reminisce about what could have been. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 His career is in the balance here... No doubt AP not helping but Anita has got to show us something when he does get a chance... He's defiantly seems a player who is more rated when he doesn't play than when he does... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggs Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 I think in Pardew's mind, Anita playing where Tiote and Perch when Tiote wasn't fit, will not work because Anita doesn't have "the tackle in there". Seeing as football is having the tackles taken out of it, to still think that way is so dumb it sums him up. You don't need to be a great tackler to track and hassle another player, you need positioning above everything else. Never putting Anita in the same bracket as Scholes but everyone knows that he was one of the worst tacklers ever but great at everything a box to box midfielder should be . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 I think in Pardew's mind, Anita playing where Tiote and Perch when Tiote wasn't fit, will not work because Anita doesn't have "the tackle in there". Seeing as football is having the tackles taken out of it, to still think that way is so dumb it sums him up. You don't need to be a great tackler to track and hassle another player, you need positioning above everything else. Never putting Anita in the same bracket as Scholes but everyone knows that he was one of the worst tacklers ever but great at everything a box to box midfielder should be . He was brilliant imo but think about him from about 32 onwards, he sat there not needing to tackle too much, Man Utd kept the fecking ball, and when they lost it they worked hard to get it back. We can do the second part with workrate but keeping the ball is somehow beyond Pardew. Imo you dont need a hard tackler in modern football anymore, a capable one will do if he's a good footballer and can pass it nicely. Which is Anita for me. I know he's been a bit, well pretty ordinary. Again though how can we we tell really with Pardew's tactics and blind spot in playing Tiote all the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 Can't help but think Anita will be that player who leaves, does well at other clubs and we will all reminisce about what could have been. Only just found out Jon Dahl Tomasson was a manager the other day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 Thing is, if we're honest. Anita hasn't looked like a EPL holding midfielder, Marveaux hasn't looked like a player who can bother his arse for 90 mins and we've all seen Gouffran run out of puff after 70 mins. Yep. Gouffran will get fitter, the part about Marveaux is weapons grade bull s***. He hasn't been given a decent run of games to get match fit and looks far from lazy. And whatever type of player Anita looks, he's a better footballer than Tiote and should have had his place from last Christmas onwards. This Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 Neither Anita nor Marveaux have done enough to make their inclusion an absolute necessity. I love the 'Marveaux type' player, absolutely love them, but, he doesn't go looking for the ball nearly enough. Tons of ability, great control, gets his head, fantastic range of passing (best at the club), good spurt of speed when he wants. Shown a lack the competitive edge to dominate his opponents with his ability though. He's only got the likes of Jonas to compete against for a place. He should make himself undroppable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 Neither Anita nor Marveaux have done enough to make their inclusion an absolute necessity. But how can they, when they've never been given a chance? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 Neither Anita nor Marveaux have done enough to make their inclusion an absolute necessity. But how can they, when they've never been given a chance? I'm sick of this argument. People willing to write them off when neither have been afforded the same lengthy support from Pardew as say, Obertan and Perch for example. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 Neither Anita nor Marveaux have done enough to make their inclusion an absolute necessity. But how can they, when they've never been given a chance? They have actually been on the pitch if you remember. It was easy to miss at times, i know... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 There's lots we don't know about these players imo and we won't until we see them get a regular game under a real manager. So probably at another club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 Obertan lolz Terrible player. Just terrible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 Neither Anita nor Marveaux have done enough to make their inclusion an absolute necessity. I love the 'Marveaux type' player, absolutely love them, but, he doesn't go looking for the ball nearly enough. Tons of ability, great control, gets his head, fantastic range of passing (best at the club), good spurt of speed when he wants. Shown a lack the competitive edge to dominate his opponents with his ability though. He's only got the likes of Jonas to compete against for a place. He should make himself undroppable. How much more do they have to do than be clearly better footballers than Jonas and Tiote? As for making themselves undroppable, that's down to the manager...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 Neither Anita nor Marveaux have done enough to make their inclusion an absolute necessity. I love the 'Marveaux type' player, absolutely love them, but, he doesn't go looking for the ball nearly enough. Tons of ability, great control, gets his head, fantastic range of passing (best at the club), good spurt of speed when he wants. Shown a lack the competitive edge to dominate his opponents with his ability though. He's only got the likes of Jonas to compete against for a place. He should make himself undroppable. How much more do they have to do than be clearly better footballers than Jonas and Tiote? As for making themselves undroppable, that's down to the manager...... Listen, i don't like Jonas and i don't like Tiote (much) but Anita is powder puff and Marveaux goes missing. Simple. Neither of them have put in the kind of perfomance that screams for inclusion. That's a shame because we could do with their talents but they need to show more competitve spirit. More fire. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 Be as tough as old boots, this is the premier league, toughest league in the world, get stuck in man! Naaaaaaaa not having it, their class can see them ahead of the other two mentioned without having this 'fire'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 That's nonsense, like. Their 'class' hasn't produced any massively standout performances, and they've both been lacking when it comes to dealing with the physicality of the league. There's no escaping that. Granted, they haven't had a wealth of chances, but they haven't done a great deal with what they have been afforded. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 That's nonsense, like. Their 'class' hasn't produced any massively standout performances, and they've both been lacking when it comes to dealing with the physicality of the league. There's no escaping that. Granted, they haven't had a wealth of chances, but they haven't done a great deal with what they have been afforded. It was nothing short of disgusting the way Anita was treated over new year, he struggled early doors not being given the run and was struggling but once Tiote got injured then left for African Nations, Anita came into his own and was showing all the signs of developing into a top player then soon as Tiote came back he was instantly dropped to hardly be seen again for the season. Marv on the other had has been given cameo roles off the bench where he's expected to come and create some magic when our backs are against the wall and confidence is low, makes things 10 times harder to shine. One he was given a boost of confidence and actually picked to start, he was given the job of defending Leighton Baines at Goodison Park, what an awful decision that was, Marv was in for a killing soon as he got on the pitch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 Neither Anita nor Marveaux have done enough to make their inclusion an absolute necessity. I love the 'Marveaux type' player, absolutely love them, but, he doesn't go looking for the ball nearly enough. Tons of ability, great control, gets his head, fantastic range of passing (best at the club), good spurt of speed when he wants. Shown a lack the competitive edge to dominate his opponents with his ability though. He's only got the likes of Jonas to compete against for a place. He should make himself undroppable. How much more do they have to do than be clearly better footballers than Jonas and Tiote? As for making themselves undroppable, that's down to the manager...... Listen, i don't like Jonas and i don't like Tiote (much) but Anita is powder puff and Marveaux goes missing. Simple. Neither of them have put in the kind of perfomance that screams for inclusion. That's a shame because we could do with their talents but they need to show more competitve spirit. More fire. I bet you were banging this drum re: Ben Arfa as well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 That's nonsense, like. Their 'class' hasn't produced any massively standout performances, and they've both been lacking when it comes to dealing with the physicality of the league. There's no escaping that. Granted, they haven't had a wealth of chances, but they haven't done a great deal with what they have been afforded. I agree they lack something physically, for example why Marveaux isn't suitable for wide of a forward three. Anita also struggles under the high ball. I just think that those weaknesses aren't enough to justify the constant selection of Jonas and Tiote ahead of them. Although I would equally happy if Tiote recovered some form and made himself actually undroppable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
relámpago blanco Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 That's nonsense, like. Their 'class' hasn't produced any massively standout performances, and they've both been lacking when it comes to dealing with the physicality of the league. There's no escaping that. Granted, they haven't had a wealth of chances, but they haven't done a great deal with what they have been afforded. Probably because they are instructed to play in a way that doesn't suit their game. That's our whole fucking problem, most of our players are instructed to play in a way that does not suit them, or a system that does not suit them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 That's nonsense, like. Their 'class' hasn't produced any massively standout performances, and they've both been lacking when it comes to dealing with the physicality of the league. There's no escaping that. Granted, they haven't had a wealth of chances, but they haven't done a great deal with what they have been afforded. Almost the whole team didn't do a great deal last season tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 Neither Anita nor Marveaux have done enough to make their inclusion an absolute necessity. I love the 'Marveaux type' player, absolutely love them, but, he doesn't go looking for the ball nearly enough. Tons of ability, great control, gets his head, fantastic range of passing (best at the club), good spurt of speed when he wants. Shown a lack the competitive edge to dominate his opponents with his ability though. He's only got the likes of Jonas to compete against for a place. He should make himself undroppable. How much more do they have to do than be clearly better footballers than Jonas and Tiote? As for making themselves undroppable, that's down to the manager...... Listen, i don't like Jonas and i don't like Tiote (much) but Anita is powder puff and Marveaux goes missing. Simple. Neither of them have put in the kind of perfomance that screams for inclusion. That's a shame because we could do with their talents but they need to show more competitve spirit. More fire. I bet you were banging this drum re: Ben Arfa as well Nope. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 That's nonsense, like. Their 'class' hasn't produced any massively standout performances, and they've both been lacking when it comes to dealing with the physicality of the league. There's no escaping that. Granted, they haven't had a wealth of chances, but they haven't done a great deal with what they have been afforded. I agree they lack something physically, for example why Marveaux isn't suitable for wide of a forward three. Anita also struggles under the high ball. I just think that those weaknesses aren't enough to justify the constant selection of Jonas and Tiote ahead of them. Although I would equally happy if Tiote recovered some form and made himself actually undroppable. I don't disagree that those two shouldn't be undroppable, like. I'm just not comfortable with the assertion that Anita and Marv should be guaranteed starters ahead of them simply because of their apparent 'class'. If they'd shown enough, during their few starts and sub appearances, then I wouldn't have a problem with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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