AlanSkÃrare Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 He's a shit manager. Sack him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 What worries me is how easily our players will revert to hoofing the ball and/or passing it backwards when things aren't going to well. Thats alright if your that type of player but all of our players are natural on the floor get at them type of players, at least all of them on the pitch today were. The fact that they have now been trained to revert to that type of football when things are not going well is telling of Pardew's and our other coaches ability and mentality. I'm not sure it's all down to Pardew though, this has been a problem persistent since Souness came so to me it suggests our coaches are fucking dinosaurs and changing our manager will not change much unless things are changed behind the scenes as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 Its Pardew job that Debuchy doesnt go wandering off for that first goal & leave Ben Arfa doing what hes weakest at. Same with our ability to defend set pieces. Twice we let them rebuild momentum which is why theyve won, they dont get that confidence without our mistakes. We were in control beforehand. HBA can do the basics of actually following his man. He doesn't have to tackle or anything, just actually be there, he simply didn't look arsed today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 My opinion of him stays the same. T'was the same after the Fulham game and the same after the Villa game too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 Doesn't really sound like he told the players to sit off after the first goal, they seemingly took their foot off the gas and didn't go for it. He meddled too much in the second though, knacked our shape. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 My opinion of him stays the same. T'was the same after the Fulham game and the same after the Villa game too. Yep. He's clearly not cut out for the job. But hardly his fault for our loss today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 Doesn't really sound like he told the players to sit off after the first goal, they seemingly took their foot off the gas and didn't go for it. He meddled too much in the second though, knacked our shape. Mate I've been watching his team for nearly three years now and can almost count the number of times we've taken a 2-0 lead at home on one hand. That is his gameplan, always has been and always will be. Take a lead then try and hold it. Sick of reading about how wrong I am and how he's actually telling them before the game to get 2, 3, 4. He's not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 Doesn't really sound like he told the players to sit off after the first goal, they seemingly took their foot off the gas and didn't go for it. He meddled too much in the second though, knacked our shape. He's just said on the radio that he told the midfield to get closer to our defenders at half time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 Doesn't really sound like he told the players to sit off after the first goal, they seemingly took their foot off the gas and didn't go for it. He meddled too much in the second though, knacked our shape. Mate I've been watching his team for nearly three years now and can almost count the number of times we've taken a 2-0 lead at home on one hand. That is his gameplan, always has been and always will be. Take a lead then try and hold it. Sick of reading about how wrong I am and how he's actually telling them before the game to get 2, 3, 4. He's not. "Go out there, keep it tight, nothing silly and we might nick a goal". Proper underdog mentality. It's pathetic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 Still shit then Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BONTEMPI Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 Still shit then Never in question was it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 Still shit then Never in question was it? Nope. Although his supporters were getting quite excited after 1 good result Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 people think he pushed the negative button today? didn't see that myself, thought hull reacted to us very well and got the better of us...bruce did pardew tactically but i didn't see that we'd necessarily took our foot off the gas or anything Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 Doesn't really sound like he told the players to sit off after the first goal, they seemingly took their foot off the gas and didn't go for it. He meddled too much in the second though, knacked our shape. Mate I've been watching his team for nearly three years now and can almost count the number of times we've taken a 2-0 lead at home on one hand. That is his gameplan, always has been and always will be. Take a lead then try and hold it. Sick of reading about how wrong I am and how he's actually telling them before the game to get 2, 3, 4. He's not. I've watched the team sit off after half time plenty, but after 15 minutes? His quotes are pretty damning. I think the team got complacent, wandering about when Huddlestone was in yards of space inside the box, MYM trying to dribble out of defence etc. Pardew's not very good and deserves a lot of stick for the second half's changes but our lot got cocky. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 Doesn't really sound like he told the players to sit off after the first goal, they seemingly took their foot off the gas and didn't go for it. He meddled too much in the second though, knacked our shape. Mate I've been watching his team for nearly three years now and can almost count the number of times we've taken a 2-0 lead at home on one hand. That is his gameplan, always has been and always will be. Take a lead then try and hold it. Sick of reading about how wrong I am and how he's actually telling them before the game to get 2, 3, 4. He's not. If people haven't cottoned on by now then they never will I'm afraid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 Doesn't really sound like he told the players to sit off after the first goal, they seemingly took their foot off the gas and didn't go for it. He meddled too much in the second though, knacked our shape. He's just said on the radio that he told the midfield to get closer to our defenders at half time. Half time being the point I'm not disputing. Did you not watch our lot after that first goal went in? Their desire to do anything at pace just wasn't there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 The Tiote sub was beyond incompetent by the way, more signs that the guy in the dugout doesn't have a clue. gouffran for cabaye was worse, terrible sub Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiLvOR Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 Doesn't really sound like he told the players to sit off after the first goal, they seemingly took their foot off the gas and didn't go for it. He meddled too much in the second though, knacked our shape. Mate I've been watching his team for nearly three years now and can almost count the number of times we've taken a 2-0 lead at home on one hand. That is his gameplan, always has been and always will be. Take a lead then try and hold it. Sick of reading about how wrong I am and how he's actually telling them before the game to get 2, 3, 4. He's not. Then wonders why we fuck up. The bloke's an idiot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 I missed the Villa game. So far all I'm seeing this season is the same bunch of players looking like individuals. We're still just a below average team + Ben Arfa, nowt's changed. The amount of lofted diagonal passes to the front line today was appalling. It doesn't work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 people think he pushed the negative button today? didn't see that myself, thought hull reacted to us very well and got the better of us...bruce did pardew tactically but i didn't see that we'd necessarily took our foot off the gas or anything It's not that he "pushed the negative button", the players have had it drilled into them for three years that when we lead, that's the time to slow down the pace of the game, stop trying so hard to score and hold their positions instead of committing men forward. It's not a case of telling them to do something. That's the way his Newcastle United want to play. It was the same last week man, people kid themselves that he's had some sort of epiphany just because we happened to win a game when in fact last week was exactly what he wants - get a lead, hold it, if they equalise, try again. Can't believe this is still proving difficult to grasp. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 people think he pushed the negative button today? didn't see that myself, thought hull reacted to us very well and got the better of us...bruce did pardew tactically but i didn't see that we'd necessarily took our foot off the gas or anything I didn't think we needed to make a change, he got the Cabaye change right but I think he was forced into that. Debuchy should have been changed earlier and with someone else and not Tiote. In the end he changed our formation and attacking force, I don't think Remy or Ben Arfa knew where they needed to be since Gouffran came on and it got worse when Marvaux came on, all off them wanting to play in each others position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 Doesn't really sound like he told the players to sit off after the first goal, they seemingly took their foot off the gas and didn't go for it. He meddled too much in the second though, knacked our shape. He's just said on the radio that he told the midfield to get closer to our defenders at half time. There you go, drop back give huddlestone the freedom of the park. Anyone with half a brain could see he was running the show, we should have pressed the midfield and squeezed him and shut them down I commented on that in the match thread, someone needed to get close to him. It's was ridiculous how much time and space he had. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 We've conceded three and thrown away two leads, at home, so he's had a pretty bad day. However, I think the game was there to be won in the first half, and some of his players have let him down by dropping their intensity after the first goal. They thought they were in for an easy day. When Hull parked the bus, we didn't have the desire there to break them down. Too happy to play the easy clipped ball in to the forward. I'd have liked to have seen Marveaux take up Cabaye's position, like. Not sure Pardew trusts him in there against a dominant midfield, though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 We definitely don't play with the same intent once we take the lead. No matter how early on we score, and no matter whether home or away, which is quite frankly hideous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 I've watched the team sit off after half time plenty, but after 15 minutes? His quotes are pretty damning. I think the team got complacent, wandering about when Huddlestone was in yards of space inside the box, MYM trying to dribble out of defence etc. Pardew's not very good and deserves a lot of stick for the second half's changes but our lot got cocky. We were winning 2-1 at half time when Pardew pulled our midfielders back, the gaps between midfield and the forwards were shocking and all down to him because he's admitted it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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