Mole_Toonfan Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 That's not completely true though, the only constants are Bayern, Real and Barca. Even the last 3 finals had Juventus, Dortmund and Atletico. Not exactly teams which throw money at everything or teams which the majority thought would be in a final going into that particular season either. The KOs are the only really high standard of football IMO, most of the leagues are shit nowadays tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Football would be s*** without the Champions League like Maybe without it the leagues would level out and become more competitive perhaps so in turn making it better? But even if that happened which is very doubtful, the quality would be nowhere near as good as the champions league knockout stages are Competitive football >>>>>>> Jizzing like a pig over the same 8 corporate shells each year. If there was competitive football of a decent standard I'd agree but there isn't. Watching Barcelona vs Bayern every season >>>>> watching West Ham vs Stoke Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Football would be s*** without the Champions League like Maybe without it the leagues would level out and become more competitive perhaps so in turn making it better? But even if that happened which is very doubtful, the quality would be nowhere near as good as the champions league knockout stages are Competitive football >>>>>>> Jizzing like a pig over the same 8 corporate shells each year. If there was competitive football of a decent standard I'd agree but there isn't. Watching Barcelona vs Bayern every season >>>>> watching West Ham vs Stoke But you are comparing the two with the current status quo. What I'm saying is things would change without the ECL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Football would be s*** without the Champions League like Maybe without it the leagues would level out and become more competitive perhaps so in turn making it better? But even if that happened which is very doubtful, the quality would be nowhere near as good as the champions league knockout stages are Competitive football >>>>>>> Jizzing like a pig over the same 8 corporate shells each year. If there was competitive football of a decent standard I'd agree but there isn't. Watching Barcelona vs Bayern every season >>>>> watching West Ham vs Stoke But you are comparing the two with the current status quo. What I'm saying is things would change without the ECL. Why would they? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Football would be s*** without the Champions League like Maybe without it the leagues would level out and become more competitive perhaps so in turn making it better? But even if that happened which is very doubtful, the quality would be nowhere near as good as the champions league knockout stages are Competitive football >>>>>>> Jizzing like a pig over the same 8 corporate shells each year. If there was competitive football of a decent standard I'd agree but there isn't. Watching Barcelona vs Bayern every season >>>>> watching West Ham vs Stoke But you are comparing the two with the current status quo. What I'm saying is things would change without the ECL. Why would they? With only one less lucrative European Cup space being up for grabs it would lead to the better players being more equally distributed throughout the league along with the help of scrapping the loan system which is another big problem with football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Only a matter of time before a European Super League is created. Hopefully. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 That's been said for years, can't see it happening personally. They know that they need the smaller clubs to exist. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Idiot Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 With the silly TV contract you now have in England, I'm not sure the CL prize money is going to be that big of an advantage anymore. Players and sponsors will still value it, though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 I doubt teams will be lacking motivation, all the coachs of the champions league teams still value it as the top prize, players will too. Still I do wonder why English teams all look off the pace for the champions league of late, is there a lack of motivation when there's plenty of money at home? I think of the current crop of teams none look close to a 'great team' with Chelsea the one with maybe the players for it and yet it is always disappointing to watch them, even when they win they're not one to pass onto the grandkids as a great team you once saw. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Idiot Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Barring Arsenal with Wenger, I don't get the feeling that there's a strong vision behind the big English teams. When Ferguson was at ManU, you certainly got what they stood for, and what you could expect from them (the good and the bad), same from us and Real Madrid nowadays. Or you under Keegan. City, Chelsea and ManU seem to be drifting nowadays, looking for a football identity to rally around and drive the club. Even this Chelsea side seems devoid of that cuntish unbridled energy that other Mourinho sides had. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 With the silly TV contract you now have in England, I'm not sure the CL prize money is going to be that big of an advantage anymore. Players and sponsors will still value it, though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 In terms of money, the TV money has no impact on elite of CL anyway. All of the CL clubs that get to KO stages all have the money to spend 100m in a summer, where it does have an impact is it allows mid table PL clubs to buy players from group stage CL teams and EL teams. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Remember these so called elite teams are mainly elite due to the very thing you are saying is irrelevant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Remember these so called elite teams are mainly elite due to the very thing you are saying is irrelevant. The only ones that could be considered that are Real, Barca and Bayern and they always have been. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Yeah everyones pragmatic and no big football identity, Wenger arguably but he still always lack the steel necessary. Ferguson's second champions league team is probably last one would say, boy they were a great team. Chelsea were the worst champions league winners for a long while lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Yeah everyones pragmatic and no big football identity, Wenger arguably but he still always lack the steel necessary. Ferguson's second champions league team is probably last one would say, boy they were a great team. Chelsea were the worst champions league winners for a long while lol As in the team that was second best to Chelsea in the final? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 I know what you mean, and there have been very good Chelsea teams that maybe ought to have won champions league, but imo that ferguson team with Ronaldo in it was pretty good, if not quite the 1999 vintage. Meh not meaning to debate the merits of individual teams, they just seemed to be better at least in comparison to rest of europe than they are now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 I miss our 07/08 team. VDS in nets, Vidic and Rio at CB, Scholes and Carrick in CM and Ronaldo/Tevez/Rooney up front. Hargreaves had a great season and all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 There was a point in time when English teams had tremendous talent at CM. Essien Ballack Lampard Thiago Makelele Alonso Mascherano Gerrard Scholes Carrick Hargreaves Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Idiot Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 I miss our 07/08 team. VDS in nets, Vidic and Rio at CB, Scholes and Carrick in CM and Ronaldo/Tevez/Rooney up front. Hargreaves had a great season and all. I miss our 2014-15 team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 Fuck off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 I miss our 07/08 team. VDS in nets, Vidic and Rio at CB, Scholes and Carrick in CM and Ronaldo/Tevez/Rooney up front. Hargreaves had a great season and all. spot the odd one out Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 Some guy ran football manager for a 1000 years. NUFC won the title twice in 1000 years Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 generous tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Idiot Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 You lost a CL final too. But won the EL thrice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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