Toondave Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 shots well and truly fired Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dabe Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Other than giving the ball away cheaply in his own half too often, why Oxlade? Lacks football intelligence, too busy trying to impress with dribbles, not a team player (and not good enough to get away with it like Ben Arfa). Never liked him, though there's always at least one Arsenal player I hate (Ramsay before the leg break, Denilson, Bendtner, Jenkinson, Sczcesny...). Also looks like a knacker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Knackered comment aside I think that's a fair comment. Feel for him a little bit as I think he knows he needs to do individualistic and brilliant things to hold down a place in the side, rather than be sensible and smart, and that works against him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Don't like the bloke at all, but he's absolutely spot on there like. Same goes for Andy Townsend and Robbie Earle, both nothing players commenting on what players competing in the Champions League could have done better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toondave Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Don't like the bloke at all, but he's absolutely spot on there like. Same goes for Andy Townsend and Robbie Earle, both nothing players commenting on what players competing in the Champions League could have done better. Don't think that's because they were shite players, more just that they're shite pundits. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 I'm torn tbh, if Savage was a good pundit I'd say Terry was full of shit there. Symptomatic of all of the pundit jobs going to the most popular members of the Premier League boys club with nothing else considered. I'd either rather see less punditry altogether or more well informed non-players, than what we have now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 That quote is gash. It's incomprehensible English and his point is shit too. Basically means Messi can only take criticism from Maradona. And Maradona is a fucking nutjob. Obviously it's nice that he's calling Savage a useless cunt, but I'm not letting that cloud my judgement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Don't really like the idea that a pundit who wasn't a great player can't criticise better players but at the same time I love that he's singled out Savage Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 A load of shite by a dump fuck. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Savage is a shit pundit. But I reckon Terry would have the same opinion if he knew what he was talking about. At the same token - everyone has an opinion on football so I can understand Terry's perspective a little. At the end of the day - Terry's a gargantuan cunt. Savage's an idiot. It was funny but Terry performing Terry-bly is funnier. And I wish him nothing but misfortune in all his future career endeavors. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 That quote is gash. It's incomprehensible English and his point is s*** too. Basically means Messi can only take criticism from Maradona. And Maradona is a f***ing nutjob. Obviously it's nice that he's calling Savage a useless c***, but I'm not letting that cloud my judgement. Aye -this Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Don't mind Wilshere me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 I see a clear divide between professional critics and ex-pros tbh. Ex-pros aren't critics, they're ex-pros who have been employed to talk about football because they were ex-pros and nothing more. Professional Critics generally know what they're talking about and are employed for that reason, not because they once did the same profession. Would you prefer to read the review of a film from Mark Kermode or Michael Bay? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 That quote is gash. It's incomprehensible English and his point is shit too. Basically means Messi can only take criticism from Maradona. And Maradona is a fucking nutjob. Obviously it's nice that he's calling Savage a useless cunt, but I'm not letting that cloud my judgement. Take your point, but a lot of it is about punditry style and humility IMO. Savage talks too authoritatively and emotively (because that's his shtick). He'll say something like "it's criminal Terry lost his marker there, should be tracking that run, absolutely inexcusable - shocking defending but Sparky will be delighted as Stoke are 1 up" - whereas someone not particularly good, but innocuous, like Mark Bright, would say "Terry will be disappointed in himself for not tracking that run". Don't think Terry would go after Bright. I'm just happy he's had a dig at Savage. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 I see a clear divide between professional critics and ex-pros tbh. Ex-pros aren't critics, they're ex-pros who have been employed to talk about football because they were ex-pros and nothing more. Professional Critics generally know what they're talking about and are employed for that reason, not because they once did the same profession. Really? There seems to be ex-pro's (TV, radio) and newspaper journalists (radio, internet). There isn't really a "sports personality" culture in the UK. Closest thing would be James Richardson, Marcotti & Michael Cox who are all employed by newspapers I believe but that isn't what their known of primarily. I don't count the newspaper as journalists. They have none critical perspectives. A music critic might not have any relationship with the musicians they critique. That isn't the case of sports journalists. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 That quote is gash. It's incomprehensible English and his point is shit too. Basically means Messi can only take criticism from Maradona. And Maradona is a fucking nutjob. Obviously it's nice that he's calling Savage a useless cunt, but I'm not letting that cloud my judgement. Take your point, but a lot of it is about punditry style and humility IMO. Savage talks too authoritatively and emotively (because that's his shtick). He'll say something like "it's criminal Terry lost his marker there, should be tracking that run, absolutely inexcusable - shocking defending but Sparky will be delighted as Stoke are 1 up" - whereas someone not particularly good, but innocuous, like Mark Bright, would say "Terry will be disappointed in himself for not tracking that run". Don't think Terry would go after Bright. I'm just happy he's had a dig at Savage. Savage's style is to throw as many opinions as possible on one topic out regardless if they're consistent in the hope that one sticks and he gets more coverage from it. Fair play to him, it's worked well because he is absolutely fucking everywhere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 99% of ex-pro's aren't harsh and don't speak their true mind most of the time. Especially with big clubs and English players. They'll slaughter a foreign lad at Newcastle but take it easy with people within their network. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 That quote is gash. It's incomprehensible English and his point is shit too. Basically means Messi can only take criticism from Maradona. And Maradona is a fucking nutjob. Obviously it's nice that he's calling Savage a useless cunt, but I'm not letting that cloud my judgement. Take your point, but a lot of it is about punditry style and humility IMO. Savage talks too authoritatively and emotively (because that's his shtick). He'll say something like "it's criminal Terry lost his marker there, should be tracking that run, absolutely inexcusable - shocking defending but Sparky will be delighted as Stoke are 1 up" - whereas someone not particularly good, but innocuous, like Mark Bright, would say "Terry will be disappointed in himself for not tracking that run". Don't think Terry would go after Bright. I'm just happy he's had a dig at Savage. Exactly. Nailed it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 I mean, I don't think Terry's articulated that whatsoever but that's my view Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 That quote is gash. It's incomprehensible English and his point is shit too. Basically means Messi can only take criticism from Maradona. And Maradona is a fucking nutjob. Obviously it's nice that he's calling Savage a useless cunt, but I'm not letting that cloud my judgement. Take your point, but a lot of it is about punditry style and humility IMO. Savage talks too authoritatively and emotively (because that's his shtick). He'll say something like "it's criminal Terry lost his marker there, should be tracking that run, absolutely inexcusable - shocking defending but Sparky will be delighted as Stoke are 1 up" - whereas someone not particularly good, but innocuous, like Mark Bright, would say "Terry will be disappointed in himself for not tracking that run". Don't think Terry would go after Bright. I'm just happy he's had a dig at Savage. You clearly think a lot more of John Terry than I do. Just as a reminder, his exact quote was: "On the first bit, it’s a case of, for me, we are where we are as a group. I’ve come under criticism, individually, from certain players and individuals, players I’ve looked up to and played alongside. I’ve taken that on the chin: Rio, Carra, Neville, the very best I’ve come up against in the game. I take that on the chin. When others speak, maybe I don’t take it on the chin. When players have not had a career, played at a really bad level in their career ... Robbie Savage being one. He’s dug me out a couple of times. You take it as a footballer, as an individual. I’ll take it from the Rios, Carraghers and Neville. All day long. From others? Nah." It's not like I disagree with the point of what you're saying, I just don't believe for a second that's what JT meant. He didn't mean anything other than "Robbie Savage was shit so he can fuck off". edit: I mean, I don't think Terry's articulated that whatsoever but that's my view Well this changes everything. Fucking timewaster. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 I mean, I don't think Terry's articulated that whatsoever but that's my view Aye. He chose Savage because he's loud, annoying and "fair game". But his point suggests he'll feel the same way about Murphy, Bright, Jenas, Townsend etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 On a related note Trevor Francis absolutely laid in Terry throughout Saturday's game. Something about playing like an old man was said after the 2nd or 3rd goal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Wonder what he'd say if say Neville and Savage both criticised the same aspect of Terry's game. Both of them say 'his legs have gone' is he going to accept criticism from one but not the other? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Wonder what he'd say if say Neville and Savage both criticised the same aspect of Terry's game. Both of them say 'his legs have gone' is he going to accept criticism from one but not the other? I doubt he thinks about it that much Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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