LooneyToonArmy Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 haven`t trawled through the thread so not sure if it`s been posted https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97-p_hFsFao Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 the alternative to the kinnear grenade theory is that a man who is worth billions, has ran a successful company during an economic meltdown and whatever other positives we attribute him, is the only person on the f***ing planet that can't see kinnear is a joke and unsuited to the job i think it might be a mix of what's been posted in the other thread; he lost it with pardew and llamblias after last season (and i don't blame him) and he's either (a) executing a solution to the worst of anyone's imaginations or (b) doing something to drive everyone out of the club and start afresh i have to believe (b), f***ing have to man or another theory, is that there is no plan at all, and he's just hoyed Kinnear in for the fun of it, being old chums that they are. If it is a method to drive Pardew out then it's massively calculated. Pardew's the only bastard who's refusing to go. Everyone else from the Chairman to the chief scout are throwing the towel in so if it's a plan it's not going too well at this point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 haven`t trawled through the thread so not sure if it`s been posted https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97-p_hFsFao was questionable when he once again announced "i've had loads of requests to do this" AGAIN, made it 1:50 fuck off Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomson Mouse Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 the alternative to the kinnear grenade theory is that a man who is worth billions, has ran a successful company during an economic meltdown and whatever other positives we attribute him, is the only person on the f***ing planet that can't see kinnear is a joke and unsuited to the job i think it might be a mix of what's been posted in the other thread; he lost it with pardew and llamblias after last season (and i don't blame him) and he's either (a) executing a solution to the worst of anyone's imaginations or (b) doing something to drive everyone out of the club and start afresh i have to believe (b), f***ing have to man or another theory, is that there is no plan at all, and he's just hoyed Kinnear in for the fun of it, being old chums that they are. If it is a method to drive Pardew out then it's massively calculated. Pardew's the only b****** who's refusing to go. Everyone else from the Chairman to the chief scout are throwing the towel in so if it's a plan it's not going too well at this point. If he's clever and astute, how come he bought the club without carrying out due diligence? People giving Ashley too much credit here Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 the alternative to the kinnear grenade theory is that a man who is worth billions, has ran a successful company during an economic meltdown and whatever other positives we attribute him, is the only person on the f***ing planet that can't see kinnear is a joke and unsuited to the job i think it might be a mix of what's been posted in the other thread; he lost it with pardew and llamblias after last season (and i don't blame him) and he's either (a) executing a solution to the worst of anyone's imaginations or (b) doing something to drive everyone out of the club and start afresh i have to believe (b), f***ing have to man or another theory, is that there is no plan at all, and he's just hoyed Kinnear in for the fun of it, being old chums that they are. If it is a method to drive Pardew out then it's massively calculated. Pardew's the only b****** who's refusing to go. Everyone else from the Chairman to the chief scout are throwing the towel in so if it's a plan it's not going too well at this point. If he's clever and astute, how come he bought the club without carrying out due diligence? People giving Ashley too much credit here jesus christ man Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomson Mouse Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 the alternative to the kinnear grenade theory is that a man who is worth billions, has ran a successful company during an economic meltdown and whatever other positives we attribute him, is the only person on the f***ing planet that can't see kinnear is a joke and unsuited to the job i think it might be a mix of what's been posted in the other thread; he lost it with pardew and llamblias after last season (and i don't blame him) and he's either (a) executing a solution to the worst of anyone's imaginations or (b) doing something to drive everyone out of the club and start afresh i have to believe (b), f***ing have to man or another theory, is that there is no plan at all, and he's just hoyed Kinnear in for the fun of it, being old chums that they are. If it is a method to drive Pardew out then it's massively calculated. Pardew's the only b****** who's refusing to go. Everyone else from the Chairman to the chief scout are throwing the towel in so if it's a plan it's not going too well at this point. If he's clever and astute, how come he bought the club without carrying out due diligence? People giving Ashley too much credit here jesus christ man Jesus Christ man what? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 Jesus Christ man what? you're questioning whether a man who has made over a billion pounds is clever or astute that's what Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuy_O Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 or another theory, is that there is no plan at all, and he's just hoyed Kinnear in for the fun of it, being old chums that they are. If it is a method to drive Pardew out then it's massively calculated. give me an example where a multi-billionairre has ever f***ed with one of his multi-million pound business just for s***s and giggles any, in history, that are vaguely comparable Like I say, it's a theory, and none of us on this forum have the faintest clue what is going on or why Ashley does what he does. Of course its plausible that he doesn't fancy paying Pardew whatever he's due if he's sacked so wants him to throw in the towel. If he takes out any of the others whom have mis-performed in the process well then so be it. Losing Carr would be a huge blow though. The players Kinnear recommend are likely to cost more than the ones Carr does. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 Most likely in my view is that he doesn't fancy paying Pardew whatever he's due if he's sacked so wants him to throw in the towel. If he takes out any of the others whom have mis-performed in the process well then so be it. so you agree with the grenade theory then Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuy_O Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 I think it's possible aye, if not hugely sly at the same time (edited post previous) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 I think it's possible aye, if not hugely sly at the same time (edited post previous) i just can't see an alternative "theory", you don't get that smart by being that dumb Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomson Mouse Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 Jesus Christ man what? you're questioning whether a man who has made over a billion pounds is clever or astute that's what He would be good in his particular line of business, that doesn't mean he is across the board which has been shown when buying the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JS Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 Jesus Christ man what? you're questioning whether a man who has made over a billion pounds is clever or astute that's what He started out alone but don't think he did it all on his own back with SD. Some businessmen and women are complete fucking morons but for any number of reasons, be it good instinct or a good idea do become successful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 nah he's famously shrewd and hard-nosed when it comes to business.... still struggling to wrap my head round this one Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomson Mouse Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 He's only in one real type of business and he's good at it. Anything else he's ballsed up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 Joe Kinnear Smells of Beer. and piss. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 He's only in one real type of business and he's good at it. Anything else he's ballsed up. I would tend to agree, although you could argue that from his point of view he hasn't really ballsed up his management of Newcastle, at least not in the short term. He has returned us to the PL, the massive TV deal has arrived, the wage bill and transfer spending is relatively affordable. He doesn't have to pour his own money in. We have these disasters from time-to-time, but maybe Ashley doesn't see them like that. I don't understand the reasons for stuff like appointing Kinnear, maybe he just thinks he can do it without doing too much damage. He seems to underestimate the effect of these changes on results as well. But if our finances continue to improve and we provide him with a distraction from Sports Direct and something else to entertain him, he might not think he's ballsed it up at all. The problem is we could do so much more given the right conditions. But if he doesn't care about that, he doesn't care about that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 He's only in one real type of business and he's good at it. Anything else he's ballsed up. I would tend to agree, although you could argue that from his point of view he hasn't really ballsed up his management of Newcastle, at least not in the short term. He has returned us to the PL, the massive TV deal has arrived, the wage bill and transfer spending is relatively affordable. He doesn't have to pour his own money in. We have these disasters from time-to-time, but maybe Ashley doesn't see them like that. I don't understand the reasons for stuff like appointing Kinnear, maybe he just thinks he can do it without doing too much damage. He seems to underestimate the effect of these changes on results as well. But if our finances continue to improve and we provide him with a distraction from Sports Direct and something else to entertain him, he might not think he's ballsed it up at all. The problem is we could do so much more given the right conditions. But if he doesn't care about that, he doesn't care about that. You cannot say returning us to the Premiership is an Ashley achievement , it was his fault we weren't in it to start with . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 Well yes, I don't think his tenure is a balls-up at all. If you step back and squint at it, as I've always said, it looks pretty decent and overall I've thought for a while we were on more or less a good trajectory. But this is just weird. Two of my favourite things about Newcastle in the last couple of years have been the cool-headed transfer policy and showing faith in the staff by giving them long contracts (albeit probably quite porous ones). So to bring about this wacky change and antagonise the people you showed so much faith in only a year ago and seemed so willing to back through thick and thin, including the guy who is the nucleus of that sensible, long-termist transfer policy, just doesn't square with anything. This is the first time I've thought, long or short term, this has to be a cock-up. Unpopular decisions (stadium branding, sponsorship etc, not buckling and spending in the summer window last year) are one thing- some would argue they were destructive, some would argue they were simply necessary or justified by serving a greater purpose. But this seems destructive even in the context of his own plans. That's what bugs me about it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 He's only in one real type of business and he's good at it. Anything else he's ballsed up. I would tend to agree, although you could argue that from his point of view he hasn't really ballsed up his management of Newcastle, at least not in the short term. He has returned us to the PL, the massive TV deal has arrived, the wage bill and transfer spending is relatively affordable. He doesn't have to pour his own money in. We have these disasters from time-to-time, but maybe Ashley doesn't see them like that. I don't understand the reasons for stuff like appointing Kinnear, maybe he just thinks he can do it without doing too much damage. He seems to underestimate the effect of these changes on results as well. But if our finances continue to improve and we provide him with a distraction from Sports Direct and something else to entertain him, he might not think he's ballsed it up at all. The problem is we could do so much more given the right conditions. But if he doesn't care about that, he doesn't care about that. You cannot say returning us to the Premiership is an Ashley achievement , it was his fault we weren't in it to start with . Not so sure about that. We'd been on a pretty grim path for a long time before he took over Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 He's only in one real type of business and he's good at it. Anything else he's ballsed up. I would tend to agree, although you could argue that from his point of view he hasn't really ballsed up his management of Newcastle, at least not in the short term. He has returned us to the PL, the massive TV deal has arrived, the wage bill and transfer spending is relatively affordable. He doesn't have to pour his own money in. We have these disasters from time-to-time, but maybe Ashley doesn't see them like that. I don't understand the reasons for stuff like appointing Kinnear, maybe he just thinks he can do it without doing too much damage. He seems to underestimate the effect of these changes on results as well. But if our finances continue to improve and we provide him with a distraction from Sports Direct and something else to entertain him, he might not think he's ballsed it up at all. The problem is we could do so much more given the right conditions. But if he doesn't care about that, he doesn't care about that. You cannot say returning us to the Premiership is an Ashley achievement , it was his fault we weren't in it to start with . Nah I know, he was a big part of the cause, but what I mean is that particular negative has now been corrected. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 Well yes, I don't think his tenure is a balls-up at all. If you step back and squint at it, as I've always said, it looks pretty decent and overall I've thought for a while we were on more or less a good trajectory. But this is just weird. Two of my favourite things about Newcastle in the last couple of years have been the cool-headed transfer policy and showing faith in the staff by giving them long contracts (albeit probably quite porous ones). So to bring about this wacky change and antagonise the people you showed so much faith in only a year ago and seemed so willing to back through thick and thin, including the guy who is the nucleus of that sensible, long-termist transfer policy, just doesn't square with anything. This is the first time I've thought, long or short term, this has to be a cock-up. Unpopular decisions (stadium branding, sponsorship etc, not buckling and spending in the summer window last year) are one thing- some would argue they were destructive, some would argue they were simply necessary or justified by serving a greater purpose. But this seems destructive even in the context of his own plans. That's what bugs me about it Basically my thinking too, it's just totally baffling. He seems to think he can make massive decisions based on personal whims, and not have it damage the club at all. It's genuinely impossible to understand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomson Mouse Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 He ballsed up right at he start by not doing due diligence and therefore needing to put his own money in. A debt that has not one away and one that he is unlikely to get back if he keeps the club. He has streamlined the club but it could be performing way above what it is now with a bit of common sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 He's only in one real type of business and he's good at it. Anything else he's ballsed up. I would tend to agree, although you could argue that from his point of view he hasn't really ballsed up his management of Newcastle, at least not in the short term. He has returned us to the PL, the massive TV deal has arrived, the wage bill and transfer spending is relatively affordable. He doesn't have to pour his own money in. We have these disasters from time-to-time, but maybe Ashley doesn't see them like that. I don't understand the reasons for stuff like appointing Kinnear, maybe he just thinks he can do it without doing too much damage. He seems to underestimate the effect of these changes on results as well. But if our finances continue to improve and we provide him with a distraction from Sports Direct and something else to entertain him, he might not think he's ballsed it up at all. The problem is we could do so much more given the right conditions. But if he doesn't care about that, he doesn't care about that. You cannot say returning us to the Premiership is an Ashley achievement , it was his fault we weren't in it to start with . Not so sure about that. We'd been on a pretty grim path for a long time before he took over But never in peril of relegation. His constant fuck ups were the catalyst to us going down absolutely no doubt about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 He ballsed up right at he start by not doing due diligence and therefore needing to put his own money in. A debt that has not one away and one that he is unlikely to get back if he keeps the club. He has streamlined the club but it could be performing way above what it is now with a bit of common sense. Yep, he ballsed up the acquisition, no doubt about it. But in a weird way that might make our current financial situation even more pleasing to him. And obviously you're right, we're not fulfilling our potential. But if he doesn't care about that it won't bother him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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