Stray Mackem Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Going down isn't such a bad thing for them. What they lose in the tv deal they'll claw back in a few sales, a mandatory 40% pay cut for those who stay while several big contracts run out completely. They'll trim the fat, find a winning way and probably enjoy it a lot more for a bit and come straight back up. Then with some planned investment they can push on and have a squad fully built around poyets plans. As a club we changed after relegation, no longer a soft touch in wages and transfer fees, if they do the same they'll come out the other side a more balanced club still backed by an owner who cares enough to keep going and put funds in. Instead of covering £23m losses he can add to the squad. Stay up, may just allow the trend to continue, imagine us keeping Owen & duff, viduka etc...ugh. Exactly. Although relegation is painful for us fans, it can be a godsend to the bean counters. You lot got rid of some right pap when you went down, and you came straight back up in a much healthier financial state. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Going down isn't such a bad thing for them. What they lose in the tv deal they'll claw back in a few sales, a mandatory 40% pay cut for those who stay while several big contracts run out completely. They'll trim the fat, find a winning way and probably enjoy it a lot more for a bit and come straight back up. Then with some planned investment they can push on and have a squad fully built around poyets plans. As a club we changed after relegation, no longer a soft touch in wages and transfer fees, if they do the same they'll come out the other side a more balanced club still backed by an owner who cares enough to keep going and put funds in. Instead of covering £23m losses he can add to the squad. Stay up, may just allow the trend to continue, imagine us keeping Owen & duff, viduka etc...ugh. Exactly. Although relegation is painful for us fans, it can be a godsend to the bean counters. You lot got rid of some right pap when you went down, and you came straight back up in a much healthier financial state. for every 'us' there's a Leeds btw, just saying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Going down isn't such a bad thing for them. What they lose in the tv deal they'll claw back in a few sales, a mandatory 40% pay cut for those who stay while several big contracts run out completely. They'll trim the fat, find a winning way and probably enjoy it a lot more for a bit and come straight back up. Then with some planned investment they can push on and have a squad fully built around poyets plans. As a club we changed after relegation, no longer a soft touch in wages and transfer fees, if they do the same they'll come out the other side a more balanced club still backed by an owner who cares enough to keep going and put funds in. Instead of covering £23m losses he can add to the squad. Stay up, may just allow the trend to continue, imagine us keeping Owen & duff, viduka etc...ugh. Exactly. Although relegation is painful for us fans, it can be a godsend to the bean counters. You lot got rid of some right pap when you went down, and you came straight back up in a much healthier financial state. for every 'us' there's a Leeds btw, just saying. More chance of a Leicester, derby, forest than either, statistically speaking. What Leeds didn't have is a billionaire backer. So no chance of a Leeds in this case. We came out of it a much better club, we'd be completely on track had we had short instead of Ashley. That's a huge advantage. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 We wouldn't have went down in the first place if we had a 'Short' tbf. He'd have lurched from solution to solution similar to what he is doing at Sunderland. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHoob Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Aye bouncing straight back up is hardly a given. QPR have a loaded owner and they are looking like they'll miss out on automatic promotion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Aye bouncing straight back up is hardly a given. QPR have a loaded owner and they are looking like they'll miss out on automatic promotion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stray Mackem Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 for every 'us' there's a Leeds btw, just saying. Leeds situation was unique, in as much as the players Ridsdale brought in were 'leased' and not owned by the club IIRC. They've never recovered from that. Look, I'd rather we didn't go down, but we have too many s*** players on ridiculous wages, and getting relegated would be the ideal opportunity to offload them and start again, as Newcastle found out not too long ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucaAltieri Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 for every 'us' there's a Leeds btw, just saying. Leeds situation was unique, in as much as the players Ridsdale brought in were 'leased' and not owned by the club IIRC. They've never recovered from that. Look, I'd rather we didn't go down, but we have too many s*** players on ridiculous wages, and getting relegated would be the ideal opportunity to offload them and start again, as Newcastle found out not too long ago. You should be begging for it, tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Honestly think Sunderland need to go down to give them the chance to rip it up and start afresh. Finishing 17th or whatever will probably mean another struggle next season and so on. Go down, lance the boil and come back up a leaner, better squad, it's shit in the short-term but if they've got a bit of nous then they may be able to work it in their favour. General consensus on the SMB is that losing 10+ players is a good thing. Just means 10+ players will need to be signed to replace them, 10+ signing-on fees, 10+ agents to be paid and 10+ players who aren't going to play for free. It's a hell of a blow but if the situation is managed correctly then a team can bounce back stronger. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 We didn't get rid of all of our shit/disinterested players on ridiculous wages mind mate, a few aye - Owen, Viduka (both out of contract), Beye, Duff, Martins, Bassong were the main ones we moved on. Kept paying players like Smith, Xisco and Butt until their contracts were up years later. In reality the main reason we went straight back up is that we managed to keep a core of capable players at the club (probably out of sheer good fortune, as we seemed to be going for a fire sale and there seemed no takers) - a few more exits from the likes of Coloccini, Jonas, Nolan, Barton, Enrique and Carroll and we'd have been fucked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Sunderland won't do a Newcastle. And as long as Pardew is our manager, they might as well go down. I'd like to have them in PL for a while if he got the sack though. We're due a win, like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 We didn't get rid of all of our shit/disinterested players on ridiculous wages mind mate, a few aye - Owen, Viduka (both out of contract), Beye, Duff, Martins, Bassong were the main ones we moved on. Kept paying players like Smith, Xisco and Butt until their contracts were up years later. In reality the main reason we went straight back up is that we managed to keep a core of capable players at the club (probably out of sheer good fortune, as we seemed to be going for a fire sale and there seemed no takers) - a few more exits from the likes of Coloccini, Jonas, Nolan, Barton, Enrique and Carroll and we'd have been fucked. Also played the loan market really well and signed a few players who ensured promotion. The emergence of Andy Carroll also helped obviously. Harewood, Van Aarnholt, Kizanishvili, Hall in on loan plus Best and Routledge, combined with what we kept, pissed the league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucaAltieri Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 We didn't get rid of all of our shit/disinterested players on ridiculous wages mind mate, a few aye - Owen, Viduka (both out of contract), Beye, Duff, Martins, Bassong were the main ones we moved on. Kept paying players like Smith, Xisco and Butt until their contracts were up years later. In reality the main reason we went straight back up is that we managed to keep a core of capable players at the club (probably out of sheer good fortune, as we seemed to be going for a fire sale and there seemed no takers) - a few more exits from the likes of Coloccini, Jonas, Nolan, Barton, Enrique and Carroll and we'd have been fucked. Also played the loan market really well and signed a few players who ensured promotion. The emergence of Andy Carroll also helped obviously. Harewood, Van Aarnholt, Kizanishvili, Hall in on loan plus Best and Routledge, combined with what we kept, pissed the league. Mostly this. We were in a position to gamble on a few kids. The biggest beneficiaries of that being Carroll and Danny Simpson. Had we stayed up the likelihood of either getting games time on a regular basis goes down. With Carroll in particular that let him push on and be sold to ultimately finance our transfer dealings for a year. If we went down again it would almost certainly mean more game time for the likes of Sammy Ameobi, Vuckic, Tav, etc. The extra experience might help one of them turn into something useful, and will definitely increase their re-sale value of an otherwise worthless assets. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Aye all true, except I'd differ on Best as he barely played and when he did he was wank, but would add Williamson who was an excellent January signing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 That season was ace. How depressing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crayola Kid Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 for every 'us' there's a Leeds btw, just saying. Leeds situation was unique, in as much as the players Ridsdale brought in were 'leased' and not owned by the club IIRC. They've never recovered from that. Look, I'd rather we didn't go down, but we have too many s*** players on ridiculous wages, and getting relegated would be the ideal opportunity to offload them and start again, as Newcastle found out not too long ago. there was an article in the summer we went down (an agent interviewed by the northern echo, if memory serves), which spelled out some of the less obvious financial implications of selling high earners after relegation. brief example was coloccini. signed for ten mil one year before, paid across 4 years. so we had paid 2.5m, at the time of relegation. the article explained that to sell him, we would have to pay the rest of his fee in full, so 7.5m to pay (fifa regs, no pay, no transfer). then, we'd have to pay a loyalty bonus, likely to be a years wages, to the player if he had not asked to leave - which he would not as he would want the contractual bonus. thats likely to take our outlay to 10m, just to get him to leave. if we got 6m that summer, we'd have paid 4m to weaken our squad, albeit for a wages saving of around 2m (guess). if you want to get any players to leave, they will all cost money to shift if they are under contract. a tricky business, in some situations you will be better off keeping them on your books, maybe hoping for a loan, but this doesnt put anything towards new transfers or wages. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jericho Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 13 players can leave them after season because they are out of contract or loan ends. Players like Johnson, Giaccherini, Fletcher, Altidore probably would like to stay in Premier League or go abroad. Maybe also Brown, O'Shea, Cattermole. That is nothing similar to our situation after relegation... Even signing a free agent isn't cheap nowadays and they would have to bring more than a dozen players. Again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Not many 'established' Premier League clubs come straight up at all. We seem the exception. WBA & West Ham seem to yo-yo between the divisions, but while people frown when you bring up Portsmouth & Leeds, just look at Bolton, Blackburn, Charlton, Leicester, Boro, etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Icke - Son of God Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 That season was ace. How depressing. From February onwards it was ridiculously good fun. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benwell Lad Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 That season was ace. How depressing. From February onwards it was ridiculously good fun. Several reasons seemed to combine to make it such an enjoyable season once the depression of relegation and the horrible season which had preceded it lifted. The post match beer definitely tastes better when your team has won - no matter who they are playing against - and more often than not we'd scored quite a few in the process. Different away trips and the emergence of a - legend in the making - Geordie centre forward all added to the enjoyment (in tha faymas Newcassel numbah nine short - for any stereotypical mackems who may be reading) Most of all, I thought the football was better to watch. Of course you do not have the quality of the Premier League but that was what made it better. Defenders who make mistakes and teams knowing they're not good enough to kill a game off at 1-0 just made it a more exciting spectacle. I stand to be corrected a year from now if they go down and they're running away with the league but I think for Sunderland circa 2014 it will be very different. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Icke - Son of God Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 That season was ace. How depressing. From February onwards it was ridiculously good fun. Several reasons seemed to combine to make it such an enjoyable season once the depression of relegation and the horrible season which had preceded it lifted. The post match beer definitely tastes better when your team has won - no matter who they are playing against - and more often than not we'd scored quite a few in the process. Different away trips and the emergence of a - legend in the making - Geordie centre forward all added to the enjoyment (in tha faymas Newcassel numbah nine short - for any stereotypical mackems who may be reading) Most of all, I thought the football was better to watch. Of course you do not have the quality of the Premier League but that was what made it better. Defenders who make mistakes and teams knowing they're not good enough to kill a game off at 1-0 just made it a more exciting spectacle. I stand to be corrected a year from now if they go down and they're running away with the league but I think for Sunderland circa 2014 it will be very different. Don't forget to mention the Friday night game against Cardiff which Sky wrongly advertising as an 8pm KO resulting in loads of fans sauntering in to find us already three goals to the good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 If Norwich win on Saturday against these, that's 7 points between them! Even with Norwich's fixtures and Sunderland's games in hand, that's enormous in the context of a relegation battle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 I wouldn't bet on Norwich beating anybody right now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 I wouldn't bet on Norwich beating anybody right now. Norwich score goals. Sunderland dont score goals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Isn't Feltcher fucked as well? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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