madras Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 Colo didn't have much luck with his Bicycle kicks last season, did his back in with that one at the corner flag too. Was a glorious moment though how ? he gave the ball directly to an opponent about 25yds out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Idiot Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 Going towards a TV collective agreement would solve very few problems of Spanish football. It would cut down both Real Madrid and Barcelona to size (they'd still far above the other clubs in revenue, though), but the actual difference in other clubs' bottom lines would be pretty small. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 Going towards a TV collective agreement would solve very few problems of Spanish football. It would cut down both Real Madrid and Barcelona to size (they'd still far above the other clubs in revenue, though), but the actual difference in other clubs' bottom lines would be pretty small. how come ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 Barca fan: Aye it would only solve a few problems. You lot would still be in the shit and we would still be great. Let's keep the status quo yeah lads? Good boys. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Idiot Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 Ignore the club I am a fan of in this issue. Thing is that if we equalized the TV receipts, it would only be an average windfall of around €10m for each club, even less if Liga Adelante clubs get part of that money too (they are part of La Liga and would need to approve any deal). Atlético and Valencia would lose money, actually, as their own contracts are over the average. Overarching issue is awful revenue generation across the board. Spanish clubs outside Barça and Madrid are extremely insular and barely have any following outside their natural catchment areas. They are still trapped in the 1980s in many areas. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 Completely agree with VI, as i said before in a separate thread Spain's issues are too deep rooted to simply be solved by collective tv rights. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 Ignore the club I am a fan of in this issue. Thing is that if we equalized the TV receipts, it would only be an average windfall of around €10m for each club, even less if Liga Adelante clubs get part of that money too (they are part of La Liga and would need to approve any deal). Atlético and Valencia would lose money, actually, as their own contracts are over the average. Overarching issue is awful revenue generation across the board. any tables on how much tv money gets paid to each club ? and how much they'd get if it were evenly distributed ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 Aye it's not a solution, I say just give barcalona and real madrid their own minileague where they can play each other again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and then the rest of the league will improve now there's actual competition to win it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Idiot Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 Ignore the club I am a fan of in this issue. Thing is that if we equalized the TV receipts, it would only be an average windfall of around €10m for each club, even less if Liga Adelante clubs get part of that money too (they are part of La Liga and would need to approve any deal). Atlético and Valencia would lose money, actually, as their own contracts are over the average. Overarching issue is awful revenue generation across the board. any tables on how much tv money gets paid to each club ? and how much they'd get if it were evenly distributed ? Awful quality, but the best I've found: http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/9403/j1i.jpg It averages to €30m with equal distribution. As I said, Barça and Madrid would be brought down two or three notches, but those extra €18m per year would make very little difference to Racing's €150m+ debt for example. And Atlético and Valencia would be even worse off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 Spanish league needs the reset button Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 I was massively disappointed Wigan went down. They were one of the best teams in the PL too watch. I also like Dave Whelan, even though he is a moron his heart couldn't be more in the right place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 Ignore the club I am a fan of in this issue. Thing is that if we equalized the TV receipts, it would only be an average windfall of around €10m for each club, even less if Liga Adelante clubs get part of that money too (they are part of La Liga and would need to approve any deal). Atlético and Valencia would lose money, actually, as their own contracts are over the average. Overarching issue is awful revenue generation across the board. any tables on how much tv money gets paid to each club ? and how much they'd get if it were evenly distributed ? Awful quality, but the best I've found: http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/9403/j1i.jpg It averages to €30m with equal distribution. As I said, Barça and Madrid would be brought down two or three notches, but those extra €18m per year would make very little difference to Racing's €150m+ debt for example. And Atlético and Valencia would be even worse off. could go either of two ways, the league gets more competitive and real, barce can't just hoover up the talent which could increase revenues for the others, or because barce, real aren't the two biggest clubs in the world anymore so no one gives a toss about the league anymore and the arse drops out of it. as a fan who possibly wouldn't support one of those two if I was in spain i'd be willing to take the risk. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Idiot Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 Thing is that even with their comparatively s*** TV revenues, TV income is actually a *bigger* part of those clubs' budgets than it is for Barça and Madrid. For example Espanyol's current TV contract is 23 million, their non-TV revenue rises up to 27m. Barça's TV contract is 140 million and non-TV revenue in excess of 300 million (just going off google). I'm fine with us going towards a more equitable distribution, but it is often used as a smokescreen to hide that most of La Liga clubs are awfully run. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 Thing is that even with their comparatively s*** TV revenues, TV income is actually a *bigger* part of those clubs' budgets than it is for Barça and Madrid. For example Espanyol's current TV contract is 23 million, their non-TV revenue rises up to 27m. Barça's TV contract is 140 million and non-TV revenue in excess of 300 million (just going off google). I'm fine with us going towards a more equitable distribution, but it is often used as a smokescreen to hide that most of La Liga clubs are awfully run. isn't some of that down to the idea that it's easier to make money if you have money to start with ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 I couldn't give a shit about almost all of our current players. They're just complete strangers compared to not even that long ago. The endless analysis of formations etc is incredibly boring and achieves nothing. Football is chaos, embrace it. I much preferred Shepherd's " " approach to Ashley's "erm no" approach. I couldn't care less about our finances the same as most other clubs don't. I want Sunderland to be in whatever league we're in. There's already too many emotionless matches without losing another 2. England needs Kevin Nolan and a few more players of his ilk. Their squad is like our atm, all talk and no end product. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 I couldn't give a shit about almost all of our current players. They're just complete strangers compared to not even that long ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 I enjoy watching the Championship a lot more than the Premier League, sure the quality may be lower but hell at least most sides honestly have something to play for and its a more competitive competition unlike the Prem where beyond Man Utd, City and Chelsea what the hell are the rest of the sides doing other than making up the numbers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 I'd like Boro to get back in the PL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolution Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 I'd like Boro to get back in the PL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leazes1986 Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 I think Jonas is probably the best winger in the league after Jarvis Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 I miss Freddie Shepherd/John Hall. Deep down I wish they never sold us and wish they'd have found a resolution on our debt issues and found a way to restructure and move us forward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leazes1986 Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 :lol: I wish Ameobi had Shearers head, brain and feet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 I'd not be opposed to a third Keegan reign under new ownership. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEEJ Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 I want Sunderland to be in whatever league we're in. There's already too many emotionless matches without losing another 2. You can talk absolute horseshite at times, but this is a brilliant one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEEJ Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 I think Jonas is probably the best winger in the league after Jarvis Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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