Guest firetotheworks Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 Name your price basically. That AC Milan back 4 would easily fetch £400m+ on its own. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonArmy1892 Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 Roberto Carlos isn't the undisputed GOAT in that position anyway really. There are plenty of other contenders above Carlos, with others who were defensively solid while still contributing going forward, most notably Maldini and even the likes of Ashley Cole. Lahm too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 Lahm was mint. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsprillasShinPad Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 Name your price basically. That AC Milan back 4 would easily fetch £400m+ on its own. The mid Nineties AC Milan team was insane. Class players all over the pitch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 Lahm was just a cracking footballer all round wasn't he? Class at right back and in midfield as well. I can't think of a more reliable utility player in the modern game after him and Milner. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 Marcelo is absolutely amazing, better than Lahm IMO Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 The ‘balanced’ left back is hard to find. Cole, Lahm etc. And although Cole was good going forward he wasn’t close to a Marcelo. Players like Marcelo and Lahm would’ve come played in midfield for loads of teams. Lahm did iirc. I agree with the person that said PD suits oursystem which is defensive first. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 Marcelo is absolutely amazing, better than Lahm IMO I must be missing a lot with Marcelo tbh. Need to see more because when I do see him I'm just meh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 Marcelo’s easily the best attacking fullback I’ve ever seen. Him and Alves. He genuinely struggles to defend against top players although he rarely has someone covering him in LM/LW. He’s been a decisive player in Real’s golden era imo. Him, Ramos, Modric, Ronaldo and Benzema. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 Marcelo is absolutely amazing, better than Lahm IMO I must be missing a lot with Marcelo tbh. Need to see more because when I do see him I'm just meh. Mental that, nee offence. He can be got at defensively because he gets forward so much but he's often the best player on the pitch in big CL games IMO Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 Marcelo is absolutely amazing, better than Lahm IMO I must be missing a lot with Marcelo tbh. Need to see more because when I do see him I'm just meh. Marcelo is excellent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 Marcelo is absolutely amazing, better than Lahm IMO I must be missing a lot with Marcelo tbh. Need to see more because when I do see him I'm just meh. Mental that, nee offence. He can be got at defensively because he gets forward so much but he's often the best player on the pitch in big CL games IMO I get what you mean, I just wouldn't put a defender that can be got at defensively in the 'better than Lahm etc' bracket. Might just be personal preference that I prefer full backs that can do both. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 Marcelo is absolutely amazing, better than Lahm IMO I must be missing a lot with Marcelo tbh. Need to see more because when I do see him I'm just meh. Mental that, nee offence. He can be got at defensively because he gets forward so much but he's often the best player on the pitch in big CL games IMO I get what you mean, I just wouldn't put a defender that can be got at defensively in the 'better than Lahm etc' bracket. Might just be personal preference that I prefer full backs that can do both. I always felt Lahm was a bit overrated, technically excellent at everything and solid as they come but lacked the overall influence of a Dani Alves or Marcelo IMO Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 Marcelo is absolutely amazing, better than Lahm IMO I must be missing a lot with Marcelo tbh. Need to see more because when I do see him I'm just meh. Mental that, nee offence. He can be got at defensively because he gets forward so much but he's often the best player on the pitch in big CL games IMO I get what you mean, I just wouldn't put a defender that can be got at defensively in the 'better than Lahm etc' bracket. Might just be personal preference that I prefer full backs that can do both. I always felt Lahm was a bit overrated, technically excellent at everything and solid as they come but lacked the overall influence of a Dani Alves or Marcelo IMO Dani Alves is a different kettle of fish for me, he couldn't really be got at defensively, which is why for me he's the best right back I've seen, whereas I'm not as convinced by Marcelo, admittedly maybe because I've watched far less of him, Champions League aside. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 The ‘balanced’ left back is hard to find. Cole, Lahm etc. And although Cole was good going forward he wasn’t close to a Marcelo. Players like Marcelo and Lahm would’ve come played in midfield for loads of teams. Lahm did iirc. I agree with the person that said PD suits oursystem which is defensive first. Rafa always puts a high price on defence, but he also wants a team that can pass out of defence. I don't think he would have wanted someone like Dummett in his Liverpool side for example. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsprillasShinPad Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 The ‘balanced’ left back is hard to find. Cole, Lahm etc. And although Cole was good going forward he wasn’t close to a Marcelo. Players like Marcelo and Lahm would’ve come played in midfield for loads of teams. Lahm did iirc. I agree with the person that said PD suits oursystem which is defensive first. Rafa always puts a high price on defence, but he also wants a team that can pass out of defence. I don't think he would have wanted someone like Dummett in his Liverpool side for example. No, I doubt he would have wanted Paul Dummett in his CL winning side. In the same way many fans would suck off a tramp to see some of 2005 Liverpool's players who weren't even in the 1st team play for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 He's actually a worse footballer than Ciaran Clark in terms of on the ball. Impressive, that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonArmy1892 Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 Lahm was just a cracking footballer all round wasn't he? Class at right back and in midfield as well. I can't think of a more reliable utility player in the modern game after him and Milner. He started out at left back (i think), my first memory of him was scoring a wonder goal in the world cup cutting in from the left. Think it was the opening game of 06 WC, might be wrong. But yea, class all round player. Lahm>Marcelo for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 He's actually a worse footballer than Ciaran Clark in terms of on the ball. Impressive, that. He offers us nowt. The fact we had to try and use the cross field ball to Manquillo because he’s so inept says a lot. But he can tackle so it’s all ok. A further threat down the left makes us a much better team. I hardly saw Dummett at all today but for a couple of crap late crosses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 There are plenty of cheapish LBs who are decently competent at both ends of the pitch but we spend fuck all on player I don’t think this is true. In 15 years we’ve had 2 better leftbacks than PD. That Bryan fella today was decent. The Wolves fullback was decent. That Neil Taylor guy was decent. I’m not even naming the what if’s either. PD is a good defensive player I’ve never ever doubted that. But his fitness record isn’t ideal and we lack quality and pace out wide in depth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toon No9 Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 Dummett is a leftsided cb in a 3-cb-system for me. Dummett Fernandez Lejeune That would be our 3 cb:s in that system imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 Dummett as one of our starting CB's ffs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
magorific Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 There are plenty of cheapish LBs who are decently competent at both ends of the pitch but we spend f*** all on player I don’t think this is true. In 15 years we’ve had 2 better leftbacks than PD. That Bryan fella today was decent. The Wolves fullback was decent. That Neil Taylor guy was decent. I’m not even naming the what if’s either. PD is a good defensive player I’ve never ever doubted that. But his fitness record isn’t ideal and we lack quality and pace out wide in depth. Neil Taylor is absolute pig wank. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 Marcelo is absolutely amazing, better than Lahm IMO I must be missing a lot with Marcelo tbh. Need to see more because when I do see him I'm just meh. Mental that, nee offence. He can be got at defensively because he gets forward so much but he's often the best player on the pitch in big CL games IMO Aye and this is because you simply don't get fullbacks as good at attacking as Marcelo. It's not just passing and crossing, he's genuinely as talented a footballer as you'll come across. First touch, vision, creativity. I always felt Alves was unstoppable coming onto the ball from deep. But when he was already pushed on and receiving the ball to feet. He'd need to find another way to make a good run or something. Marcelo can damage you in any way. I agree with Triggs. Lahm was a top notch but solid player. Marcelo and Alves would regularly be far more influential. If Lahm played elsewhere it would be as a CM, great technically but intelligently tidying things up. Marcelo would be a number 10 pulling the strings, being creative. which is a lot more fun imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astroblack Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 Jordi Alba's good too. An absolute prick who I always feel will win any dual he's placed in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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