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Tiote's "wayward passing" is a bit of a myth. His pass completion rates are very high. His problem is he takes too long on the ball and only passes sideways. He tries to do too much on and off the ball.

 

He usually has the ball more than anyone else in the midfield. Which is why he has a higher success rate on passes. Most of them are as you say short sideway passes. But when he tries something slightly more difficult it is nine times out of ten a wayward pass. He still mess up the simple ones quite often too.

 

Still his pass success rates are around the 90%'s. It's because he's making twice the amount of passes as whoever he's next to that it might stick it. But % wise he looses the ball less than most of our other cm's.

 

I do think oppo. are very tactical in their approach with him. Closing him down rapidly early doors when he's fannying about with it he might loose it and they can break. When in the lead or happy with the game, just let him have it. He'll not do anything useful with it. Although he has a decent cross on him.

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Twice as many passes backward or to the side. Or to a man 2 feet from him. You watch us play? Because if you did you see mistake after mistake after mistake after foul after card after etc. repeat.

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IMO football philosophy wise - NUFC is a swashbuckling, high-octane club. I don't think a possession based approach suits us or the crowd. Our best teams, dominated at times but where always quick, powerful and attacking but never possession for the sake of it. Similar to Man Utd in that respect. It would take patience (which we don't have) or a top, top manager like LVG to change that.

 

Man U did play a possession game, only it was very fast paced with lots of forward movement. A million miles from the deep sitting long ball game we've adopted under Pardew.

 

Forget Pardew man. I'm talking Sir Bob & Keegan.

 

Man Utd never "played a possession game". Never was keeping the ball for keeping the ball's sake a strategic maneuver. That's what they've got now under LVG. That was never the case under SAF. They attacked and pressed.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/11424827/Manchester-United-fans-must-stop-pining-for-Sir-Alex-Fergusons-champagne-football-that-era-is-over.html

 

Playing Brendan era "we won the possession" and finishing  11th and bowing out early of the cups isn't going to satisfy anyone. Or what Martinez did last season.

 

Alright, for the sake of not getting lost in the pedantics, forget about the term possession, we'll call it passing football instead. Man U played passing football on the deck with lots of pace and forward movement. If that's what you're advocating then I'm all for it. Man U most definitely didn't ask their keeper to boot it long towards the centre forward who was deployed on the wing which has been our modus operandi for the past 5 years.

 

It's not pedantic at all. "Possession football" is Pep, Brendan & Martinez approach. That's a world away from the Klopp, Heynckes & SAF brand of football. It's all passing football but still very different.

 

Again - nobody mentioned playing super direct football. I'm saying NUFC DNA is fast paced, passing football. Not the slow possession stuff.

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Tiote is passable (excuse the pun) alongside someone good who can do all his ball work for him, if not he's a waste of time therefore currently he's a waste of time.

 

Regardless of what strengths he does have, he's tactically inept and for this reason I'd not be arsed if he was binned (post someone else being brought in, of course)

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Then stop f***ing spouting off stats that don't mean s***

But he doesn't lose the ball that often. Abeid under Carver was much worse for that. People here just spout any crap. I provide logic.

 

If you think Tiote doesn't lose the ball often, your logic is as sound as your opinion of Cabella's towering height.

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Would like a squad of 22-24 players

 

GOAL

 

1. krul

2. Darlow

 

RB

 

3. Janmaat

4. New young back up

 

LB

 

5. Haidara

6. Dummet

7. New first choice

 

CB.

 

8. Colo (could still be good in the new set up)

9. New (maybe Matip)

10. New (first choice)

11. New young 4th choice (or Dummet or Taylor)

 

CM

 

12. Anita

13. Wijnaldum

14. Sissoko

15. Colback

16. De Jong

17. Abeid or Tiote

 

RW & LW

 

18. Aarons

19. Cabella

20. New quality winger

(Sissoko, Perez and Wijnaldum can all cover)

 

Striker

 

21. Cisse (would like to keep)

22. Perez

23. New quality striker (maybe Austin or Mitrović)

 

 

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Would like a squad of 22-24 players

 

GOAL

 

1. krul

2. Darlow

 

RB

 

3. Janmaat

4. New young back up

 

LB

 

5. Haidara

6. Dummet

7. New first choice

 

CB.

 

8. Colo (could still be good in the new set up)

9. New (maybe Matip)

10. New (first choice)

11. New young 4th choice (or Dummet or Taylor)

 

CM

 

12. Anita

13. Wijnaldum

14. Sissoko

15. Colback

16. De Jong

17. Abeid or Tiote

 

RW & LW

 

18. Aarons

19. Cabella

20. New quality winger

(Sissoko, Perez and Wijnaldum can all cover)

 

Striker

 

21. Cisse (would like to keep)

22. Perez

23. New quality striker (maybe Austin or Mitrović)

 

 

 

Unfortunately that wont happen while Williamson, Obertan, Riviere, Marveaux, Gouffran, Elliott etc are still here stealing a wage

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Then stop f***ing spouting off stats that don't mean s***

But he doesn't lose the ball that often. Abeid under Carver was much worse for that. People here just spout any crap. I provide logic.

 

If you think Tiote doesn't lose the ball often, your logic is as sound as your opinion of Cabella's towering height.

 

Tiote - 81.7

Anita - 81.1

 

 

He might lose the ball more times a match due to having the ball more. But he doesn't lose it more often.

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IMO football philosophy wise - NUFC is a swashbuckling, high-octane club. I don't think a possession based approach suits us or the crowd. Our best teams, dominated at times but where always quick, powerful and attacking but never possession for the sake of it. Similar to Man Utd in that respect. It would take patience (which we don't have) or a top, top manager like LVG to change that.

 

Man U did play a possession game, only it was very fast paced with lots of forward movement. A million miles from the deep sitting long ball game we've adopted under Pardew.

 

Forget Pardew man. I'm talking Sir Bob & Keegan.

 

Man Utd never "played a possession game". Never was keeping the ball for keeping the ball's sake a strategic maneuver. That's what they've got now under LVG. That was never the case under SAF. They attacked and pressed.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/11424827/Manchester-United-fans-must-stop-pining-for-Sir-Alex-Fergusons-champagne-football-that-era-is-over.html

 

Playing Brendan era "we won the possession" and finishing  11th and bowing out early of the cups isn't going to satisfy anyone. Or what Martinez did last season.

 

Alright, for the sake of not getting lost in the pedantics, forget about the term possession, we'll call it passing football instead. Man U played passing football on the deck with lots of pace and forward movement. If that's what you're advocating then I'm all for it. Man U most definitely didn't ask their keeper to boot it long towards the centre forward who was deployed on the wing which has been our modus operandi for the past 5 years.

 

It's not pedantic at all. "Possession football" is Pep, Brendan & Martinez approach. That's a world away from the Klopp, Heynckes & SAF brand of football. It's all passing football but still very different.

 

Again - nobody mentioned playing super direct football. I'm saying NUFC DNA is fast paced, passing football. Not the slow possession stuff.

 

So yes, we want fast passing football not the long ball hoof we've been watching for the last 5 years.

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Then stop f***ing spouting off stats that don't mean s***

But he doesn't lose the ball that often. Abeid under Carver was much worse for that. People here just spout any crap. I provide logic.

 

If you think Tiote doesn't lose the ball often, your logic is as sound as your opinion of Cabella's towering height.

 

Tiote - 81.7

Anita - 81.1

 

 

He might lose the ball more times a match due to having the ball more. But he doesn't lose it more often.

 

Is that pass completion?  Does that include all the times he holds on to the ball, spins around a bit beofre being tackled?

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Would like a squad of 22-24 players

 

GOAL

 

1. krul

2. Darlow

 

RB

 

3. Janmaat

4. New young back up

 

LB

 

5. Haidara

6. Dummet

7. New first choice

 

CB.

 

8. Colo (could still be good in the new set up)

9. New (maybe Matip)

10. New (first choice)

11. New young 4th choice (or Dummet or Taylor)

 

CM

 

12. Anita

13. Wijnaldum

14. Sissoko

15. Colback

16. De Jong

17. Abeid or Tiote

 

RW & LW

 

18. Aarons

19. Cabella

20. New quality winger

(Sissoko, Perez and Wijnaldum can all cover)

 

Striker

 

21. Cisse (would like to keep)

22. Perez

23. New quality striker (maybe Austin or Mitrović)

 

 

 

Unfortunately that wont happen while Williamson, Obertan, Riviere, Marveaux, Gouffran, Elliott etc are still here stealing a wage

 

I know. But it would be an exciting squad.

 

Should be fairly easy to ship some of the deadwood you mention. The should still be attractive for smaller clubs with all their experience ;D

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Would like a squad of 22-24 players

 

GOAL

 

1. krul

2. Darlow

 

RB

 

3. Janmaat

4. New young back up

 

LB

 

5. Haidara

6. Dummet

7. New first choice

 

CB.

 

8. Colo (could still be good in the new set up)

9. New (maybe Matip)

10. New (first choice)

11. New young 4th choice (or Dummet or Taylor)

 

CM

 

12. Anita

13. Wijnaldum

14. Sissoko

15. Colback

16. De Jong

17. Abeid or Tiote

 

RW & LW

 

18. Aarons

19. Cabella

20. New quality winger

(Sissoko, Perez and Wijnaldum can all cover)

 

Striker

 

21. Cisse (would like to keep)

22. Perez

23. New quality striker (maybe Austin or Mitrović)

 

 

 

Unfortunately that wont happen while Williamson, Obertan, Riviere, Marveaux, Gouffran, Elliott etc are still here stealing a wage

 

I know. But it would be an exciting squad.

 

Should be fairly easy to ship some of the deadwood you mention. The should still be attractive for smaller clubs with all their experience ;D

 

If only, their wages will keep them here til next year anyway. Can genuinely see 2/3 at most coming in and them telling us to wait til next year to judge them. Unless we sell 3/4 for big money

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Then stop f***ing spouting off stats that don't mean s***

But he doesn't lose the ball that often. Abeid under Carver was much worse for that. People here just spout any crap. I provide logic.

 

If you think Tiote doesn't lose the ball often, your logic is as sound as your opinion of Cabella's towering height.

 

Tiote - 81.7

Anita - 81.1

 

 

He might lose the ball more times a match due to having the ball more. But he doesn't lose it more often.

 

Is that pass completion?  Does that include all the times he holds on to the ball, spins around a bit beofre being tackled?

Doubt it given that that isn't a pass mate

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Would rather 75% completed forwards than 100% 5 yards backwards mind. Such a worthless stat to use

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Then stop f***ing spouting off stats that don't mean s***

But he doesn't lose the ball that often. Abeid under Carver was much worse for that. People here just spout any crap. I provide logic.

 

If you think Tiote doesn't lose the ball often, your logic is as sound as your opinion of Cabella's towering height.

 

Kanji with the smackdown!

 

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Then stop f***ing spouting off stats that don't mean s***

But he doesn't lose the ball that often. Abeid under Carver was much worse for that. People here just spout any crap. I provide logic.

 

If you think Tiote doesn't lose the ball often, your logic is as sound as your opinion of Cabella's towering height.

 

Tiote - 81.7

Anita - 81.1

 

 

He might lose the ball more times a match due to having the ball more. But he doesn't lose it more often.

 

Is that pass completion?  Does that include all the times he holds on to the ball, spins around a bit beofre being tackled?

 

rates are similar. Tiote gets dispossesed once on average per 90 minutes. Anita 0.8.

 

Tiote gets "fouled" a lot when he fannies on the ball. And he must make some passes under extreme pressure that don't help build a rhythm.

 

But Tiote losing the ball often? Myth.

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Would like a squad of 22-24 players

 

GOAL

 

1. krul

2. Darlow

 

RB

 

3. Janmaat

4. New young back up

 

LB

 

5. Haidara

6. Dummet

7. New first choice

 

CB.

 

8. Colo (could still be good in the new set up)

9. New (maybe Matip)

10. New (first choice)

11. New young 4th choice (or Dummet or Taylor)

 

CM

 

12. Anita

13. Wijnaldum

14. Sissoko

15. Colback

16. De Jong

17. Abeid or Tiote

 

RW & LW

 

18. Aarons

19. Cabella

20. New quality winger

(Sissoko, Perez and Wijnaldum can all cover)

 

Striker

 

21. Cisse (would like to keep)

22. Perez

23. New quality striker (maybe Austin or Mitrović)

 

 

 

:pardsgrin:

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Would rather 75% completed forwards than 100% 5 yards backwards mind. Such a worthless stat to use

It's not worthless when comparing players that mostly play it sideways in Tiote & Anita.

 

And any decent forward thinking player still has really respectable pass completion. The one thing I like about henderson is that he tries ambitious passes. His ps% is 82%. Michael carrick is brilliant at 2 touch - instant forward passes. 89%. YoCabs 89%. 89% Mata. Fabregas 85%. Wijnaldum 83%. Sissoko 79%.

 

Regardless of the type of pass. A good passer finds his man. Tiote's not good but he's not constantly giving it away either.

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Would like a squad of 22-24 players

 

GOAL

 

1. krul

2. Darlow

 

RB

 

3. Janmaat

4. New young back up

 

LB

 

5. Haidara

6. Dummet

7. New first choice

 

CB.

 

8. Colo (could still be good in the new set up)

9. New (maybe Matip)

10. New (first choice)

11. New young 4th choice (or Dummet or Taylor) Lascelles

 

CM

 

12. Anita

13. Wijnaldum

14. Sissoko

15. Colback

16. De Jong

17. Abeid or Tiote

 

RW & LW

 

18. Aarons

19. Cabella

20. New quality winger

(Sissoko, Perez and Wijnaldum can all cover)

 

Striker

 

21. Cisse (would like to keep)

22. Perez

23. New quality striker (maybe Austin or Mitrović)

 

 

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