The College Dropout Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 Tiote's "wayward passing" is a bit of a myth. His pass completion rates are very high. His problem is he takes too long on the ball and only passes sideways. He tries to do too much on and off the ball. He usually has the ball more than anyone else in the midfield. Which is why he has a higher success rate on passes. Most of them are as you say short sideway passes. But when he tries something slightly more difficult it is nine times out of ten a wayward pass. He still mess up the simple ones quite often too. Still his pass success rates are around the 90%'s. It's because he's making twice the amount of passes as whoever he's next to that it might stick it. But % wise he looses the ball less than most of our other cm's. I do think oppo. are very tactical in their approach with him. Closing him down rapidly early doors when he's fannying about with it he might loose it and they can break. When in the lead or happy with the game, just let him have it. He'll not do anything useful with it. Although he has a decent cross on him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 Twice as many passes backward or to the side. Or to a man 2 feet from him. You watch us play? Because if you did you see mistake after mistake after mistake after foul after card after etc. repeat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 IMO football philosophy wise - NUFC is a swashbuckling, high-octane club. I don't think a possession based approach suits us or the crowd. Our best teams, dominated at times but where always quick, powerful and attacking but never possession for the sake of it. Similar to Man Utd in that respect. It would take patience (which we don't have) or a top, top manager like LVG to change that. Man U did play a possession game, only it was very fast paced with lots of forward movement. A million miles from the deep sitting long ball game we've adopted under Pardew. Forget Pardew man. I'm talking Sir Bob & Keegan. Man Utd never "played a possession game". Never was keeping the ball for keeping the ball's sake a strategic maneuver. That's what they've got now under LVG. That was never the case under SAF. They attacked and pressed. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/11424827/Manchester-United-fans-must-stop-pining-for-Sir-Alex-Fergusons-champagne-football-that-era-is-over.html Playing Brendan era "we won the possession" and finishing 11th and bowing out early of the cups isn't going to satisfy anyone. Or what Martinez did last season. Alright, for the sake of not getting lost in the pedantics, forget about the term possession, we'll call it passing football instead. Man U played passing football on the deck with lots of pace and forward movement. If that's what you're advocating then I'm all for it. Man U most definitely didn't ask their keeper to boot it long towards the centre forward who was deployed on the wing which has been our modus operandi for the past 5 years. It's not pedantic at all. "Possession football" is Pep, Brendan & Martinez approach. That's a world away from the Klopp, Heynckes & SAF brand of football. It's all passing football but still very different. Again - nobody mentioned playing super direct football. I'm saying NUFC DNA is fast paced, passing football. Not the slow possession stuff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 Tiote is passable (excuse the pun) alongside someone good who can do all his ball work for him, if not he's a waste of time therefore currently he's a waste of time. Regardless of what strengths he does have, he's tactically inept and for this reason I'd not be arsed if he was binned (post someone else being brought in, of course) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 Btw i'm all for giving Tiote the chop for Abeid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 Then stop fucking spouting off stats that don't mean shit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 Then stop f***ing spouting off stats that don't mean s*** But he doesn't lose the ball that often. Abeid under Carver was much worse for that. People here just spout any crap. I provide logic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 you provide the lols I'll give you that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 A nothing article/rumour from a random site, but i'd love it if we're looking at left backs (signed one). We really need one! http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2015/07/09/report-newcastle-united-consider-7m-move-for-serie-a-star-faouzi/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 Then stop f***ing spouting off stats that don't mean s*** But he doesn't lose the ball that often. Abeid under Carver was much worse for that. People here just spout any crap. I provide logic. If you think Tiote doesn't lose the ball often, your logic is as sound as your opinion of Cabella's towering height. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sugoinufc Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 Would like a squad of 22-24 players GOAL 1. krul 2. Darlow RB 3. Janmaat 4. New young back up LB 5. Haidara 6. Dummet 7. New first choice CB. 8. Colo (could still be good in the new set up) 9. New (maybe Matip) 10. New (first choice) 11. New young 4th choice (or Dummet or Taylor) CM 12. Anita 13. Wijnaldum 14. Sissoko 15. Colback 16. De Jong 17. Abeid or Tiote RW & LW 18. Aarons 19. Cabella 20. New quality winger (Sissoko, Perez and Wijnaldum can all cover) Striker 21. Cisse (would like to keep) 22. Perez 23. New quality striker (maybe Austin or Mitrović) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 Would like a squad of 22-24 players GOAL 1. krul 2. Darlow RB 3. Janmaat 4. New young back up LB 5. Haidara 6. Dummet 7. New first choice CB. 8. Colo (could still be good in the new set up) 9. New (maybe Matip) 10. New (first choice) 11. New young 4th choice (or Dummet or Taylor) CM 12. Anita 13. Wijnaldum 14. Sissoko 15. Colback 16. De Jong 17. Abeid or Tiote RW & LW 18. Aarons 19. Cabella 20. New quality winger (Sissoko, Perez and Wijnaldum can all cover) Striker 21. Cisse (would like to keep) 22. Perez 23. New quality striker (maybe Austin or Mitrović) Unfortunately that wont happen while Williamson, Obertan, Riviere, Marveaux, Gouffran, Elliott etc are still here stealing a wage Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 Then stop f***ing spouting off stats that don't mean s*** But he doesn't lose the ball that often. Abeid under Carver was much worse for that. People here just spout any crap. I provide logic. If you think Tiote doesn't lose the ball often, your logic is as sound as your opinion of Cabella's towering height. Tiote - 81.7 Anita - 81.1 He might lose the ball more times a match due to having the ball more. But he doesn't lose it more often. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 IMO football philosophy wise - NUFC is a swashbuckling, high-octane club. I don't think a possession based approach suits us or the crowd. Our best teams, dominated at times but where always quick, powerful and attacking but never possession for the sake of it. Similar to Man Utd in that respect. It would take patience (which we don't have) or a top, top manager like LVG to change that. Man U did play a possession game, only it was very fast paced with lots of forward movement. A million miles from the deep sitting long ball game we've adopted under Pardew. Forget Pardew man. I'm talking Sir Bob & Keegan. Man Utd never "played a possession game". Never was keeping the ball for keeping the ball's sake a strategic maneuver. That's what they've got now under LVG. That was never the case under SAF. They attacked and pressed. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/11424827/Manchester-United-fans-must-stop-pining-for-Sir-Alex-Fergusons-champagne-football-that-era-is-over.html Playing Brendan era "we won the possession" and finishing 11th and bowing out early of the cups isn't going to satisfy anyone. Or what Martinez did last season. Alright, for the sake of not getting lost in the pedantics, forget about the term possession, we'll call it passing football instead. Man U played passing football on the deck with lots of pace and forward movement. If that's what you're advocating then I'm all for it. Man U most definitely didn't ask their keeper to boot it long towards the centre forward who was deployed on the wing which has been our modus operandi for the past 5 years. It's not pedantic at all. "Possession football" is Pep, Brendan & Martinez approach. That's a world away from the Klopp, Heynckes & SAF brand of football. It's all passing football but still very different. Again - nobody mentioned playing super direct football. I'm saying NUFC DNA is fast paced, passing football. Not the slow possession stuff. So yes, we want fast passing football not the long ball hoof we've been watching for the last 5 years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonsays Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 Then stop f***ing spouting off stats that don't mean s*** But he doesn't lose the ball that often. Abeid under Carver was much worse for that. People here just spout any crap. I provide logic. If you think Tiote doesn't lose the ball often, your logic is as sound as your opinion of Cabella's towering height. Tiote - 81.7 Anita - 81.1 He might lose the ball more times a match due to having the ball more. But he doesn't lose it more often. Is that pass completion? Does that include all the times he holds on to the ball, spins around a bit beofre being tackled? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sugoinufc Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 Would like a squad of 22-24 players GOAL 1. krul 2. Darlow RB 3. Janmaat 4. New young back up LB 5. Haidara 6. Dummet 7. New first choice CB. 8. Colo (could still be good in the new set up) 9. New (maybe Matip) 10. New (first choice) 11. New young 4th choice (or Dummet or Taylor) CM 12. Anita 13. Wijnaldum 14. Sissoko 15. Colback 16. De Jong 17. Abeid or Tiote RW & LW 18. Aarons 19. Cabella 20. New quality winger (Sissoko, Perez and Wijnaldum can all cover) Striker 21. Cisse (would like to keep) 22. Perez 23. New quality striker (maybe Austin or Mitrović) Unfortunately that wont happen while Williamson, Obertan, Riviere, Marveaux, Gouffran, Elliott etc are still here stealing a wage I know. But it would be an exciting squad. Should be fairly easy to ship some of the deadwood you mention. The should still be attractive for smaller clubs with all their experience Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 Would like a squad of 22-24 players GOAL 1. krul 2. Darlow RB 3. Janmaat 4. New young back up LB 5. Haidara 6. Dummet 7. New first choice CB. 8. Colo (could still be good in the new set up) 9. New (maybe Matip) 10. New (first choice) 11. New young 4th choice (or Dummet or Taylor) CM 12. Anita 13. Wijnaldum 14. Sissoko 15. Colback 16. De Jong 17. Abeid or Tiote RW & LW 18. Aarons 19. Cabella 20. New quality winger (Sissoko, Perez and Wijnaldum can all cover) Striker 21. Cisse (would like to keep) 22. Perez 23. New quality striker (maybe Austin or Mitrović) Unfortunately that wont happen while Williamson, Obertan, Riviere, Marveaux, Gouffran, Elliott etc are still here stealing a wage I know. But it would be an exciting squad. Should be fairly easy to ship some of the deadwood you mention. The should still be attractive for smaller clubs with all their experience If only, their wages will keep them here til next year anyway. Can genuinely see 2/3 at most coming in and them telling us to wait til next year to judge them. Unless we sell 3/4 for big money Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 Then stop f***ing spouting off stats that don't mean s*** But he doesn't lose the ball that often. Abeid under Carver was much worse for that. People here just spout any crap. I provide logic. If you think Tiote doesn't lose the ball often, your logic is as sound as your opinion of Cabella's towering height. Tiote - 81.7 Anita - 81.1 He might lose the ball more times a match due to having the ball more. But he doesn't lose it more often. Is that pass completion? Does that include all the times he holds on to the ball, spins around a bit beofre being tackled? Doubt it given that that isn't a pass mate Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 Would rather 75% completed forwards than 100% 5 yards backwards mind. Such a worthless stat to use Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 Then stop f***ing spouting off stats that don't mean s*** But he doesn't lose the ball that often. Abeid under Carver was much worse for that. People here just spout any crap. I provide logic. If you think Tiote doesn't lose the ball often, your logic is as sound as your opinion of Cabella's towering height. Kanji with the smackdown! http://media2.giphy.com/media/7dawJnybJ4cz6/200w.gif Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 Then stop f***ing spouting off stats that don't mean s*** But he doesn't lose the ball that often. Abeid under Carver was much worse for that. People here just spout any crap. I provide logic. If you think Tiote doesn't lose the ball often, your logic is as sound as your opinion of Cabella's towering height. Tiote - 81.7 Anita - 81.1 He might lose the ball more times a match due to having the ball more. But he doesn't lose it more often. Is that pass completion? Does that include all the times he holds on to the ball, spins around a bit beofre being tackled? rates are similar. Tiote gets dispossesed once on average per 90 minutes. Anita 0.8. Tiote gets "fouled" a lot when he fannies on the ball. And he must make some passes under extreme pressure that don't help build a rhythm. But Tiote losing the ball often? Myth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ads Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 Would like a squad of 22-24 players GOAL 1. krul 2. Darlow RB 3. Janmaat 4. New young back up LB 5. Haidara 6. Dummet 7. New first choice CB. 8. Colo (could still be good in the new set up) 9. New (maybe Matip) 10. New (first choice) 11. New young 4th choice (or Dummet or Taylor) CM 12. Anita 13. Wijnaldum 14. Sissoko 15. Colback 16. De Jong 17. Abeid or Tiote RW & LW 18. Aarons 19. Cabella 20. New quality winger (Sissoko, Perez and Wijnaldum can all cover) Striker 21. Cisse (would like to keep) 22. Perez 23. New quality striker (maybe Austin or Mitrović) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 Would rather 75% completed forwards than 100% 5 yards backwards mind. Such a worthless stat to use It's not worthless when comparing players that mostly play it sideways in Tiote & Anita. And any decent forward thinking player still has really respectable pass completion. The one thing I like about henderson is that he tries ambitious passes. His ps% is 82%. Michael carrick is brilliant at 2 touch - instant forward passes. 89%. YoCabs 89%. 89% Mata. Fabregas 85%. Wijnaldum 83%. Sissoko 79%. Regardless of the type of pass. A good passer finds his man. Tiote's not good but he's not constantly giving it away either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conjo Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 Would like a squad of 22-24 players GOAL 1. krul 2. Darlow RB 3. Janmaat 4. New young back up LB 5. Haidara 6. Dummet 7. New first choice CB. 8. Colo (could still be good in the new set up) 9. New (maybe Matip) 10. New (first choice) 11. New young 4th choice (or Dummet or Taylor) Lascelles CM 12. Anita 13. Wijnaldum 14. Sissoko 15. Colback 16. De Jong 17. Abeid or Tiote RW & LW 18. Aarons 19. Cabella 20. New quality winger (Sissoko, Perez and Wijnaldum can all cover) Striker 21. Cisse (would like to keep) 22. Perez 23. New quality striker (maybe Austin or Mitrović) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 Be delighted if we kept all our useful(ish) players and added good: CB, wide player, CM & striker Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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