AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 If Carr has more influence than Charnley then it's just another example of how we desperately need someone qualified to run this club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 I can imagine our board meetings looking something like this. http://www.asset1.net/tv/pictures/show/yonderland/Yonderland-Ep3-Preview-16x9-1.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 Carr pretty much has the final say on who to go for, they have a bloke called Steve Nickson who is supposedly very good at identifying talent (Perez for example) however, it is Carr who is the go/ no go bloke. Carr has been a manager and a scout for a long long time; you therefore have to seriously question some of our summer transfers, especially the Thauvin deal. We know the model but the model also has to fit the team needs. Carr needs to get more criticism and you would be forgiven for asking what's in it for him. We go round in circles with Carr and the 'failed' transfers and no one, either those who blame him or those who don't, really know the full extent of what goes on and just how highly he rates the players we end up buying. Nor, I suppose, how heavily weighted the 'potential' factor is these days, I suspect very personally. I'm inclined to believe a lot of the issues will lie at Charnley's door because he seems like he's incapable of reconciling the reality of what's going on on the pitch with his balance sheets. Sticking with Pardew and Carver prove this beyond doubt. Also it wasn't Carr who extended Colo's contract, supposedly against the wishes of the head coach who asked for an upgrade at CB, for example. I'm told that Carr has more influence than Charnley, Colo's contract was extended due to inability to bring in another CB. I've no doubt that McClaren would love to bring his own players in but that's not the case. You have to wonder what Agents do with all the money they receive from a transfer and where it all ends up. You have Agents agitating for moves where their own player doesn't want to move and where clubs don't actually need the player. Yet these transfers still happen. Hads on. Colo extended because we couldn't bring in another CB but Carr has more say? Makes no sense whatsoever. Carr doesn't control the purse strings, not a fucking chance, and the chances he couldn't identify a better CB than Colo are also less than zero. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallace Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 It shows their incompetence if they are unable to bring in another centre back - whether that comes down to scouting, negotiations, budget. As usual, it will end up costing them a lot more because I am sure that Colo would not have signed a new contract on reduced wages so they will up either having a very expensive reserve or having to pay him off. They have needed another CB for years and to say they can't get one is just not credible. It seems as if they don't get their first choice (i.e. the one that they end up deciding to pursue who is probably 6th on the list in the anyway) that everything grinds to a halt and they move on to another position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 Carr pretty much has the final say on who to go for, they have a bloke called Steve Nickson who is supposedly very good at identifying talent (Perez for example) however, it is Carr who is the go/ no go bloke. Carr has been a manager and a scout for a long long time; you therefore have to seriously question some of our summer transfers, especially the Thauvin deal. We know the model but the model also has to fit the team needs. Carr needs to get more criticism and you would be forgiven for asking what's in it for him. We go round in circles with Carr and the 'failed' transfers and no one, either those who blame him or those who don't, really know the full extent of what goes on and just how highly he rates the players we end up buying. Nor, I suppose, how heavily weighted the 'potential' factor is these days, I suspect very personally. I'm inclined to believe a lot of the issues will lie at Charnley's door because he seems like he's incapable of reconciling the reality of what's going on on the pitch with his balance sheets. Sticking with Pardew and Carver prove this beyond doubt. Also it wasn't Carr who extended Colo's contract, supposedly against the wishes of the head coach who asked for an upgrade at CB, for example. I'm told that Carr has more influence than Charnley, Colo's contract was extended due to inability to bring in another CB. I've no doubt that McClaren would love to bring his own players in but that's not the case. You have to wonder what Agents do with all the money they receive from a transfer and where it all ends up. You have Agents agitating for moves where their own player doesn't want to move and where clubs don't actually need the player. Yet these transfers still happen. Hads on. Colo extended because we couldn't bring in another CB but Carr has more say? Makes no sense whatsoever. Carr doesn't control the purse strings, not a f***ing chance, and the chances he couldn't identify a better CB than Colo are also less than zero. I mean, he did, or a least identify new CBs or partners. That Douglas fella, that was X'd by that senile chap. There was MYM who was the replacement, that Carver/Pardew/Charnley showed the door to and then subsequently issued these odd loan deals whereby even if they go on and become what they were supposed to be, a pre-negotiated fee and appearance clause forces the deal to auto-trigger. Again, stupid business. Then there is Toby Alderweireld who Southampton and Spurs were able to get over us despite us having looked at him for an eternity. Now, would these guys have been perfect for us at the end of the day long-term, who knows... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 Carr pretty much has the final say on who to go for, they have a bloke called Steve Nickson who is supposedly very good at identifying talent (Perez for example) however, it is Carr who is the go/ no go bloke. Carr has been a manager and a scout for a long long time; you therefore have to seriously question some of our summer transfers, especially the Thauvin deal. We know the model but the model also has to fit the team needs. Carr needs to get more criticism and you would be forgiven for asking what's in it for him. We go round in circles with Carr and the 'failed' transfers and no one, either those who blame him or those who don't, really know the full extent of what goes on and just how highly he rates the players we end up buying. Nor, I suppose, how heavily weighted the 'potential' factor is these days, I suspect very personally. I'm inclined to believe a lot of the issues will lie at Charnley's door because he seems like he's incapable of reconciling the reality of what's going on on the pitch with his balance sheets. Sticking with Pardew and Carver prove this beyond doubt. Also it wasn't Carr who extended Colo's contract, supposedly against the wishes of the head coach who asked for an upgrade at CB, for example. I'm told that Carr has more influence than Charnley, Colo's contract was extended due to inability to bring in another CB. I've no doubt that McClaren would love to bring his own players in but that's not the case. You have to wonder what Agents do with all the money they receive from a transfer and where it all ends up. You have Agents agitating for moves where their own player doesn't want to move and where clubs don't actually need the player. Yet these transfers still happen. Hads on. Colo extended because we couldn't bring in another CB but Carr has more say? Makes no sense whatsoever. Carr doesn't control the purse strings, not a f***ing chance, and the chances he couldn't identify a better CB than Colo are also less than zero. I mean, he did, or a least identify new CBs or partners. That Douglas fella, that was X'd by that senile chap. There was MYM who was the replacement, that Carver/Pardew/Charnley showed the door to and then subsequently issued these odd loan deals whereby even if they go on and become what they were supposed to be, a pre-negotiated fee and appearance clause forces the deal to auto-trigger. Again, stupid business. Then there is Toby Alderweireld who Southampton and Spurs were able to get over us despite us having looked at him for an eternity. Now, would these guys have been perfect for us at the end of the day long-term, who knows... All Carr's fault though... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Pinkman Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 Im not even a football scout and know Van Dijk, James Chester, Jonny Evans, Nastasic and Niklas Sule were all available in the summer are in within our price range (10m) and will probably double in value if they play well enough in the Premier League. They just wanted scrimp and save and make do with Colo. More money in the bank meaning more interest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 It's down to Charnley to do the financial side of the deals Carr has the say who to go for. Carr could have said if we can't get another CB in because Charnley couldn't agree a deal that we'd save that money for another go in January but we signed Thauvin. Who benefited from that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 Carr's remit is to provide players that are quality and provide sell on value. So we'll end up buying MYM or Mbemba rather than a 28 yr old 6'4 centre back who might be what the team needs but won't turn a profit. It's not even like they try to hide this policy. Not that there's anything wrong with either MYM or Mbemba, but we clearly need some height in that position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 Im not even a football scout and know Van Dijk, James Chester, Jonny Evans, Nastasic and Niklas Sule were all available in the summer are in within our price range (10m) and will probably double in value if they play well enough in the Premier League. They just wanted scrimp and save and make do with Colo. More money in the bank meaning more interest. Alreet Peter Ridsdale. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 Carr pretty much has the final say on who to go for, they have a bloke called Steve Nickson who is supposedly very good at identifying talent (Perez for example) however, it is Carr who is the go/ no go bloke. Carr has been a manager and a scout for a long long time; you therefore have to seriously question some of our summer transfers, especially the Thauvin deal. We know the model but the model also has to fit the team needs. Carr needs to get more criticism and you would be forgiven for asking what's in it for him. We go round in circles with Carr and the 'failed' transfers and no one, either those who blame him or those who don't, really know the full extent of what goes on and just how highly he rates the players we end up buying. Nor, I suppose, how heavily weighted the 'potential' factor is these days, I suspect very personally. I'm inclined to believe a lot of the issues will lie at Charnley's door because he seems like he's incapable of reconciling the reality of what's going on on the pitch with his balance sheets. Sticking with Pardew and Carver prove this beyond doubt. Also it wasn't Carr who extended Colo's contract, supposedly against the wishes of the head coach who asked for an upgrade at CB, for example. I'm told that Carr has more influence than Charnley, Colo's contract was extended due to inability to bring in another CB. I've no doubt that McClaren would love to bring his own players in but that's not the case. You have to wonder what Agents do with all the money they receive from a transfer and where it all ends up. You have Agents agitating for moves where their own player doesn't want to move and where clubs don't actually need the player. Yet these transfers still happen. Hads on. Colo extended because we couldn't bring in another CB but Carr has more say? Makes no sense whatsoever. Carr doesn't control the purse strings, not a fucking chance, and the chances he couldn't identify a better CB than Colo are also less than zero. Colo extended his contract on 6th August. Must have dreamt other clubs managing to sign players in the following 25 days Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 Carr's remit is to provide players that are quality and provide sell on value. So we'll end up buying MYM or Mbemba rather than a 28 yr old 6'4 centre back who might be what the team needs but won't turn a profit. It's not even like they try to hide this policy. Not that there's anything wrong with either MYM or Mbemba, but we clearly need some height in that position. It's self defeating to stick to it exclusively, that's the weird thing. An experienced CB and DM would get another 20% out of all these young imports and we would get the money back that way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Townshend for £8m in the Daily Fail. Ebeneezer Levy would want more than that you would think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 He'd almost be worth a shot for that sort of money, even though I don't rate him. As you say though, can't see Spurs letting him go for that and there will be other teams willing to spend that on him as well for sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Jetro would be class: http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/newcastle-united-consider-shopping-new-10591184 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Me and Kanji don't agree! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Newcastle United may have to consider bringing in cover at left-back during the January transfer window. :lol: :lol: Cause cover is the only thing we miss... Fuck you! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Im not even a football scout and know Van Dijk, James Chester, Jonny Evans, Nastasic and Niklas Sule were all available in the summer are in within our price range (10m) and will probably double in value if they play well enough in the Premier League. They just wanted scrimp and save and make do with Colo. More money in the bank meaning more interest. Alreet Peter Ridsdale. Nah more Alexandre Gaydamak. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sugoinufc Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 LB - first Choice CB - quality CB (young/old)? RB - cover 2 x CM/DCM first choice please.... new striker comes after all above Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 We didn't even manage to get 5 players in the summer We'll do the bare minimum again. I guess we can wish though.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulie Walnuts Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Knowing this lot, they'll be saying having Williamson back from Wolves will be like a new signing, once he recovers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Me and Kanji don't agree! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 CM for me first followed by a CB. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Townsend Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 I really can't see Levy accepting 8M for Townsend without a whole heap of add-ons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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