Pata Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 B-b-b-b-b-but modern fullbacks spend most of their time attacking. Play on the front foot and they'll rarely be defending. Said it all along. We need 4 good defenders at the back. We need Debuchy to fucking wake up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 Well Mapou is the best defensive option we have at LB, and maybe Anita at RB, who knows its f***ing shambolic. What did Santon do wrong today? Nothing which is everyone is changing the subject instead of blaming the french homo like they should do. If someone can remind me at any stage during the game where Santon f*cked up defensively i'll gladly eat some humble pie but fact is he didn't do anything wrong. All defence getting blamed for Debuchy's positional sense being worse than an rabbit on speed is not cool. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 Well Mapou is the best defensive option we have at LB, and maybe Anita at RB, who knows its f***ing shambolic. What did Santon do wrong today? Nothing which is everyone is changing the subject instead of blaming the french homo like they should do. Unnecessary. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
binnsy Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 Santon wasn't too bad today but yet again though when he gets forward his delivery is woeful, the lad just can't get a ball into the box, yet people think he would make a good winger. In the formation we play we need to rely on the fullbacks getting forward to provide the width and get crosses in. Debuchy last week against Villa looked like a top class international full back but today he barely resembled a sunday league player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 We've bought a dud in Debuchy simple as that, he hasn't heard of the concept of defending and he is nowhere near a good enough attacker to put up with being such a liability. We were better off with Simpson at least he had a vague notion of what defending is. Santons our best full back, though he's as prone to forgetting how to defend as the rest of them but I'll let him off with being young. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 Necessary thread about yourself is necessary Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley17 Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 Thought Santon was pretty shit today going forward, don't remember him making any defensive errors but pretty sure it was him giving it away which led to their third. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 He always does that cutting inside bullshit and often loses the ball...Led to a goal today as it has done many times in the past...I'd play Yanga there when Taylor is back. We have Remy now with att threat from that area Santon hangs around in fiddling around for ages with all his bullshit...Basically him and Debby do a lot of bullshit in the wrong areas and have a very vague clue about defending...Both total ponces as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 He doesn't often lose the ball.... in fact he's one of the best players for ball retention in the entire squad. I agree he was poor going forward today mind.... also as for Taylor coming back and moving MYM to LB do you really want to go through that again? Its pretty proven that its a shit setup and we have been a much better team for it.... Next you will tell me you want to bench Cisse for Jonas and Anita for Tiote. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 He doesn't often lose the ball.... in fact he's one of the best players for ball retention in the entire squad. I agree he was poor going forward today mind.... also as for Taylor coming back and moving MYM to LB do you really want to go through that again? Its pretty proven that its a shit setup and we have been a much better team for it.... Next you will tell me you want to bench Cisse for Jonas and Anita for Tiote. There are no facts in football. [/clough] Cisse, Debbyand Cabaret all need dropping and like now...I'm tiring of Santon's little frills...But he is sexy so gets a little leeway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 I agree with that.... won't happen though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PineBarrens Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 We've bought a dud in Debuchy simple as that, he hasn't heard of the concept of defending and he is nowhere near a good enough attacker to put up with being such a liability. We were better off with Simpson at least he had a vague notion of what defending is. Santons our best full back, though he's as prone to forgetting how to defend as the rest of them but I'll let him off with being young. Funnily enough, I seem to recall similar being prematurely said about Colo, Enrique, Darren Peacock and Gary Speed to name but a few. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 He always does that cutting inside bullshit and often loses the ball...Led to a goal today as it has done many times in the past...I'd play Yanga there when Taylor is back. We have Remy now with att threat from that area Santon hangs around in fiddling around for ages with all his bullshit...Basically him and Debby do a lot of bullshit in the wrong areas and have a very vague clue about defending...Both total ponces as well. I agree tbh. Santon's a good footballer, but since he's one footed and can't cross with his left, if you stop him cutting inside, then he's pretty much out of options as an attacking full back. So then you are left with an attacking full back with no end product who isn't that good at defending either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segun Oluwaniyi Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 I'm willing to persevere with Debuchy because I believe and know that he has the ability to be much better than he is showing, but at the same time, he needs to be dropped from the team at this moment. It has been useful to have a better ball player sharing the wing with Ben Arfa, but he is hurting the team on a far too consistent basis with his poor play and petulance. The man has not looked right mentally for some time and needs to fix whatever the hell is wrong. Santon has been our second best player this season in my opinion. Very solid in the air, rarely beaten in 1 v. 1 situations, and while his final ball has been disappointing at times, we've benefited from his ability and thrust in driving the ball forward. I don't understand vitriol towards him. Cabaye hasn't been remarkable in either direction. He's put in a lot of effort though, and I think he will improve. The comparisons I've seen to Danny Guthrie elsewhere are nonsensical. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 I'd give Dummett a run at left back and let Debuchy and Santon fight it out for right back. Right now, I'd have Santon ahead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
healthyaddiction Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 I'd give Dummett a run at left back and let Debuchy and Santon fight it out for right back. Right now, I'd have Santon ahead. This is what i'd do. Though i'd test it out first against Leeds. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 I'm willing to persevere with Debuchy because I believe and know that he has the ability to be much better than he is showing, but at the same time, he needs to be dropped from the team at this moment. It has been useful to have a better ball player sharing the wing with Ben Arfa, but he is hurting the team on a far too consistent basis with his poor play and petulance. The man has not looked right mentally for some time and needs to fix whatever the hell is wrong. Santon has been our second best player this season in my opinion. Very solid in the air, rarely beaten in 1 v. 1 situations, and while his final ball has been disappointing at times, we've benefited from his ability and thrust in driving the ball forward. I don't understand vitriol towards him. Cabaye hasn't been remarkable in either direction. He's put in a lot of effort though, and I think he will improve. The comparisons I've seen to Danny Guthrie elsewhere are nonsensical. On what basis is Debuchy better than he is showing? Because he did well in the french league? Thats a poor league and getting poorer by the second outside of the artificial clubs of PSG and Monaco. Because he's a French international? Thats not much of a reference these days. The problem with Cabaye is he doesn't want to be here so why the hell would he put much effort in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segun Oluwaniyi Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 I'm willing to persevere with Debuchy because I believe and know that he has the ability to be much better than he is showing, but at the same time, he needs to be dropped from the team at this moment. It has been useful to have a better ball player sharing the wing with Ben Arfa, but he is hurting the team on a far too consistent basis with his poor play and petulance. The man has not looked right mentally for some time and needs to fix whatever the hell is wrong. Santon has been our second best player this season in my opinion. Very solid in the air, rarely beaten in 1 v. 1 situations, and while his final ball has been disappointing at times, we've benefited from his ability and thrust in driving the ball forward. I don't understand vitriol towards him. Cabaye hasn't been remarkable in either direction. He's put in a lot of effort though, and I think he will improve. The comparisons I've seen to Danny Guthrie elsewhere are nonsensical. On what basis is Debuchy better than he is showing? Because he did well in the french league? Thats a poor league and getting poorer by the second outside of the artificial clubs of PSG and Monaco. Because he's a French international? Thats not much of a reference these days. The problem with Cabaye is he doesn't want to be here so why the hell would he put much effort in. Because I watched him several times and he could run, hold a position, put a cross in, and make proper decisions. I know people have decided amongst themselves that the French league is poor, but I don't believe it is the step up in class to Hull City that is making an accomplished footballer play like he has taken poorly cut hallucinogenic drugs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 I'm willing to persevere with Debuchy because I believe and know that he has the ability to be much better than he is showing, but at the same time, he needs to be dropped from the team at this moment. It has been useful to have a better ball player sharing the wing with Ben Arfa, but he is hurting the team on a far too consistent basis with his poor play and petulance. The man has not looked right mentally for some time and needs to fix whatever the hell is wrong. Santon has been our second best player this season in my opinion. Very solid in the air, rarely beaten in 1 v. 1 situations, and while his final ball has been disappointing at times, we've benefited from his ability and thrust in driving the ball forward. I don't understand vitriol towards him. Cabaye hasn't been remarkable in either direction. He's put in a lot of effort though, and I think he will improve. The comparisons I've seen to Danny Guthrie elsewhere are nonsensical. On what basis is Debuchy better than he is showing? Because he did well in the french league? Thats a poor league and getting poorer by the second outside of the artificial clubs of PSG and Monaco. Because he's a French international? Thats not much of a reference these days. The problem with Cabaye is he doesn't want to be here so why the hell would he put much effort in. Because I watched him several times and he could run, hold a position, put a cross in, and make proper decisions. I know people have decided amongst themselves that the French league is poor, but I don't believe it is the step up in class to Hull City that is making an accomplished footballer play like he has taken poorly cut hallucinogenic drugs. At times he panics, like he's not used to the Premiership yet. The pace is that bit faster and he needs to concentrate that much harder in order not to be out of position. I think in English football, full backs are often faced with opponents running straight at them, whereas on the continent they're more inclined to pass their way round a defence. I suspect that Debuchy is still getting used to that. Unfortunately, there's no guarantee that he'll adjust. It's a test of him mentally as well as physically. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Agree with Neville here. We are rarely nice and compact, on a string. Two fullbacks always on walkies. What happened to the counter-attack? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Should we even consider, until Saylor comes in? Mapou - Willo - Colo - Dummett Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 A lot of it is down to Pardew. The fullbacks positionally are terrible but some of it is down to Pardew's defensive drilling. So fucking high and wide... but ineffective going forward. Get fucking compact and defend. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Debuchy was good tonight, he swapped positions with Santon as he was f*cking dogshit. Should we even consider, until Saylor comes in? Mapou - Willo - Colo - Dummett Dummett i'm with you on but please no CBs as FBs i hate seeing that it causes major imbalance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Aye Debuchy wasn't too bad besides his wandering. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaus Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Is it to much to ask for full backs who can defend, have positional sense and be comfortable on the ball? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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