The Managerial Merry Go Round™

[Froggy]

1 minute ago, Cronky said:

I always felt that this complicated set up at Man U where the Glazers and Ratcliffe divide responsibilities was going to be problematic. The drawn out decision making over Ten Haag is symptomatic of this. He still looks vulnerable. It’s hard to tell whether they really have confidence in him, or  they just couldn’t find a better alternative. 

 

The Glazers have absolutely nothing to do with the footballing side anymore. 

 

Reality is, if they had spoken to a manager they thought was a better option, they'd have pulled the plug on Ten Hag. You do always have to go with what you think is the best option available, and I personally don't think Tuchel, Pochettino, De Zerbi, McKenna etc. were an upgrade on Ten Hag, so I'm happy they've stuck with him. If you had asked me a few months ago about De Zerbi I'd have been very keen but I'm not a fan of how it ended between him and Brighton.

 

15 minutes ago, CallumG6 said:

I've no reason why they would, but for them to find out at a similar time as everyone else seems a bit suspect.

I read somewhere they expected him to be sacked and were shocked to hear him staying, is that correct?

 

I haven't read anything about that to be honest. The vast majority of the current players will be happy he's staying. 

[Tiresias]

Ten Hag has to be a better manager than he has shown, but he has made some outrageous man management blunders it seems, and his transfers havent inspired, but there generally is a lot of positives to keeping managers in situ, I think there definitely has been a move away from the culture of sacking managers so quickly almost everywhere but Chelsea just out of seeing how well the likes of Arteta have done once they are stable and got everything how they want, it takes time. 

 

 

[Kimbo]

6 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

The Glazers have absolutely nothing to do with the footballing side anymore. 

 

Reality is, if they had spoken to a manager they thought was a better option, they'd have pulled the plug on Ten Hag. You do always have to go with what you think is the best option available, and I personally don't think Tuchel, Pochettino, De Zerbi, McKenna etc. were an upgrade on Ten Hag, so I'm happy they've stuck with him. If you had asked me a few months ago about De Zerbi I'd have been very keen but I'm not a fan of how it ended between him and Brighton.

 

 

I haven't read anything about that to be honest. The vast majority of the current players will be happy he's staying. 

Their number 1 target isn’t available until after the euros, all they’re doing is trying to shut down media speculation until they can get their man.

[Lotus]

It's hard to argue with Froggy. He's in a very unique situation whereby he has excellent contacts at the Executive and Boardroom level, coaches and management and also the senior players in the dressing room.

So when he tells you they have the very best decision makers at the top of the club, the best post war manager, probably the best young striking prospect in the world, possibly the best midfielders and at least 3 of their defenders are among the top 2 in the world, you'd better listen.

[Froggy]

9 minutes ago, Tiresias said:

Ten Hag has to be a better manager than he has shown, but he has made some outrageous man management blunders it seems

 

When people say this, who are they talking about? Sancho and Ronaldo? Fans are 100% behind him with both. We're delighted with how he's handled them.

[Froggy]

2 minutes ago, Lotus said:

It's hard to argue with Froggy. He's in a very unique situation whereby he has excellent contacts at the Executive and Boardroom level, coaches and management and also the senior players in the dressing room.

So when he tells you they have the very best decision makers at the top of the club, the best post war manager, probably the best young striking prospect in the world, possibly the best midfielders and at least 3 of their defenders are among the top 2 in the world, you'd better listen.

 

[Lotus]

[Paully]

Absolutely outrageous how they've treated Ten Haag mind - he must be embarressed by it

 

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5543044/2024/06/12/erik-ten-hag-manchester-united-why-not-sacked/

 

 

[Froggy]

1 minute ago, Paully said:

Absolutely outrageous how they've treated Ten Haag mind - he must be embarressed by it

 

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5543044/2024/06/12/erik-ten-hag-manchester-united-why-not-sacked/

 

New contract for the bald magician. He'll be happy.

[Dr.Spaceman]

Imagine going to Ibiza for a 1-2-1 with your boss 

[Tiresias]

7 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

When people say this, who are they talking about? Sancho and Ronaldo? Fans are 100% behind him with both. We're delighted with how he's handled them.

 

Ronaldo looked spot on, the Sancho thing looked like Sancho was being unprofessional but also like it got blown up into a massive standoff that i think a better manager would have found a way to defuse and got some performance out of him who may need different management to get back to his best. 

 

It's difficult to know if there is a lot of drama because of the manager or just because of the clown show behind the scenes where everything gets leaked. So will retract partially.

[Checko]

Dunno what happened with Sancho, but the flip in blaming Ten Hag is to say maybe Eddie should have found a way to integrate Ryan Fraser back into the squad instead of banishing him. Could have done with his little legs at times last season.

 

Obviously Sancho is a much more valuable asset, but sometimes you've just got to put a red line in the sand to avoid crossing the rubicon to the tipping point of no return.

 

 

 

[Froggy]

1 minute ago, Tiresias said:

Ronaldo looked spot on, the Sancho thing looked like Sancho was being unprofessional but also like it got blown up into a massive standoff that i think a better manager would have found a way to defuse and got some performance out of him who may need different management to get back to his best. 

 

It's difficult to know if there is a lot of drama because of the manager or just because of the clown show behind the scenes where everything gets leaked. So will retract partially.

 

The Sancho situation is essentially this:

 

He was given three months off to go and get his head right and put on a specialised training program for his fitness after Ten Hag expressed concern over the way he was acting and training. He came back and when he was brought on as a sub and you could see Ten Hag essentially congratulating him and telling him to go and enjoy himself. It was all smiles, all positive body language.

 

Fast forward a few months and he's late to training again, sleeping in and staying up playing the playstation all night. His committment levels dropped as did his fitness, which was really poor after what the club had done for him. Ten Hag was asked about why he was dropped in a post match interview after a defeat against Arsenal, and told the truth that he wasn't fit enough to be in the squad. I won't argue with anyone who believes this was the wrong approach, but it was the truth and the club had protected him enough at this point. Sancho obviously took issue with being publicly called out and went straight on to social media to have a little moan and claim he's being made to be a scapegoat.

 

The worst thing of all, is that all Ten Hag has asked for is an apology, and he'd be straight back into the team. Sancho has refused. Ten Hag won't budge.

 

Ten Hag in my opinion is 100% right not to give in to player power. If Rashford hadn't apologised after the Belfast fiasco then he'd be out on loan or rotting in the reserves as well. I know I give Rashford a lot of stick as well, but three times he's dropped by Ten Hag for various reasons like being late or going out in bars when he shouldn't have. He's apologised each time, and they've moved on and he's been straight back into the team. It's a simple case of the manager demanding respect. Sancho doesn't have any respect.

 

It was the same at Dortmund as well, but he was performing to an extremely high level (that he isn't capable of at Premier League level IMO) so it wasn't as publicised. He was fined and made to train with the youth multiple times in Germany though. He's a waste of space.

[Cronky]

1 hour ago, Froggy said:

 

The Glazers have absolutely nothing to do with the footballing side anymore. 

 

 

It was reported that the plan was for Ratcliffe, Brailsford and Joel Glazer to form a three-man football committee to have the ultimate responsibility for football matters. 

 

I'd be very surprised if that's changed. The Glazers own 75% of the club. To allow a 25% shareholder to have completely free rein over a major part of the business seems absurd and unworkable.

 

The whole thing looks like an uneasy compromise. The Glazers wanted to maintain control of the club but also to attract investment from outside. Ratcliffe wanted to buy the club but settled for a minority stake with the carrot of being able to play at real-life Football Manager. That looks inherently unstable.

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[Cronky]

1 hour ago, Checko said:

Dunno what happened with Sancho, but the flip in blaming Ten Hag is to say maybe Eddie should have found a way to integrate Ryan Fraser back into the squad instead of banishing him. Could have done with his little legs at times last season.

 

Obviously Sancho is a much more valuable asset, but sometimes you've just got to put a red line in the sand to avoid crossing the rubicon to the tipping point of no return.

 

 

 

 

Eddie has made it clear that he only wants players who are prepared to give 100%. He would rather play an inferior player who gives his all, than pick a star who thinks he only has to give 80% to stay in the team.

 

There's no way back for Sancho, but they still have a similar issue with Rashford IMO. 

[Froggy]

17 minutes ago, Cronky said:

 

It was reported that the plan was for Ratcliffe, Brailsford and Joel Glazer to form a three-man football committee to have the ultimate responsibility for football matters. 

 

I'd be very surprised if that's changed. The Glazers own 75% of the club. To allow a 25% shareholder to have completely free rein over a major part of the business seems absurd and unworkable.

 

The whole thing looks like an uneasy compromise. The Glazers wanted to maintain control of the club but also to attract investment from outside. Ratcliffe wanted to buy the club but settled for a minority stake with the carrot of being able to play at real-life Football Manager. That looks inherently unstable.

 

It was Ratcliffe, Brailsford, Wilcox and Blanc in Monaco. The Glazers just want the paycheck. The stipulation of the Ratcliffe investment was that they'd gain full control over the footballing side of things.

[AJ9]

17 minutes ago, Jack27 said:

 

Would be a good fit here if Howe went to England.

[Ketsbaia]

Will Terzic go where Still and Rosenior wouldn't dare?

[TRon]

4 minutes ago, AJ9 said:

Would be a good fit here if Howe went to England.

 

He'd be a good fit anywhere, his team ouptlayed us twice. I have a feeling he's going places.

[LFEE]

 

[Geogaddi]

1 minute ago, LFEE said:

 

They have basically kept him because nobody else wanted the job.

[joeyt]

I don't think I had remember a summer with so many managerial changes and speculation 

[80]

16 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

He'd be a good fit anywhere, his team ouptlayed us twice. I have a feeling he's going places.

Same. I wasn't surprised they got to the final after seeing them against us. Sounds like they've had internal power struggles?

[GeordieDazzler]

They were pretty poor in the league, given their relative financial advantage over everyone other than Bayern.