Bad Mongo Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 The black manager thing will never go away. It isn't an issue, no one (in this scenario) is going to say no to a person on their skin colour. You aren't going to appoint someone worse to look after your multimillion pound investment because of colour. You appoint the best person you can attract, the best fit, the most experienced or the cheapest, depending on your angle. If this were true, no one ever would have appointed Souness or Pardew. They look at some extremely vaguely defined qualities of 'leadership' (a white man), 'tactical nous' (a white man) and Englishness (a white man), not anything genuine (difficult to define). It's extremely difficult to hire the right person, even more the right leader, so they go with their gut feeling, which is based on prejudice and usually wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Genuinely don't think Sherwood would be that bad of an appointment I was expecting you to do a lot worse I watched our League and European Cup winning team get turned into a relegated side in six seasons. Mostly it was Ellis's fault, but to a large extend it was down to Graham Turner and Billy *spit* f***ing McNeill. When I see Sherwood I think of the arrogance of McNeill compared with the "out of his depth cluelessness" of Graham Turner. Graham Turner is one of the most over rated managers ever, I could never understand the hype because of what he did at Shrewsbury, I hated him. I couldn't believe it when you appointed him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 The black manager thing will never go away. It isn't an issue, no one (in this scenario) is going to say no to a person on their skin colour. You aren't going to appoint someone worse to look after your multimillion pound investment because of colour. You appoint the best person you can attract, the best fit, the most experienced or the cheapest, depending on your angle. If this were true, no one ever would have appointed Souness or Pardew. They look at some extremely vaguely defined qualities of 'leadership' (a white man), 'tactical nous' (a white man) and Englishness (a white man), not anything genuine (difficult to define). It's extremely difficult to hire the right person, even more the right leader, so they go with their gut feeling, which is based on prejudice and usually wrong. Just because the appointment is wrong, doesn't mean its due to racism. The owners at the time felt they went for the right person, their skin colour had no impact on those decisions to appoint. Race doesn't come in to it and hasn't for a few decades. I couldn't say that was the case before the sky era, but certainly in the last two decades it hasn't been about race. The only place racism really exists in football is in the stands, it rears its ugly head on the pitch time to time, and once in a blue moon at any kind of competent board room level. That's really the point i am trying to make here. It's nothing to do with prejudice and everything to do with the shallow pool of talented black managers that influences the numbers, same goes with English managers in general in the top flight. It's almost like certain camps are saying a black manager with 5 cup wins, 2 league titles and a 70% win ratio can't get a job over average joe simply down to his skin colour, when in reality every club who stood a chance would be after him. Just like the modern day player, no one gives a fuck about skin colour bar the very limited few knuckle heads that exists in all corners of the world, chances are, they didn't make millions and own a football club or have any real say at boardroom level. The talented black English football manager is none existent, who's fault is that? We can barely scrape together a decent English manager full stop. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Genuinely don't think Sherwood would be that bad of an appointment I was expecting you to do a lot worse I watched our League and European Cup winning team get turned into a relegated side in six seasons. Mostly it was Ellis's fault, but to a large extend it was down to Graham Turner and Billy *spit* f***ing McNeill. When I see Sherwood I think of the arrogance of McNeill compared with the "out of his depth cluelessness" of Graham Turner. Graham Turner is one of the most over rated managers ever, I could never understand the hype because of what he did at Shrewsbury, I hated him. I couldn't believe it when you appointed him. He became player-manager for the Shrews in the 1978–79 season, the same year the club sealed the Third Division championship. Shrewsbury ultimately spent ten seasons in the Second Division and Turner twice led them to the quarter-finals of the FA Cup. He ended his playing career in 1983, and left Shrewsbury after six seasons to take charge of Aston Villa in the summer of 1984. WTF, did they get him on the strength of Shrewsbury having a couple of FA Cup runs while treading water in the second tier? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Disco Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Disappointed they didn't lead with his rant against wind turbines he posted seconds before. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Why does Sol think he's qualified to be a PL manager? Same stupid shit as Sherwood, go and get some experience first and work your way up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 If Sol doesnt get the job, I want Lerners background checked. Reckon he must be part of the KKK or summit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Jesus Christ. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maybe_next_year Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Sterling/Coral-woman providing the perfect response to that claim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 He became player-manager for the Shrews in the 1978–79 season, the same year the club sealed the Third Division championship. Shrewsbury ultimately spent ten seasons in the Second Division and Turner twice led them to the quarter-finals of the FA Cup. He ended his playing career in 1983, and left Shrewsbury after six seasons to take charge of Aston Villa in the summer of 1984. WTF, did they get him on the strength of Shrewsbury having a couple of FA Cup runs while treading water in the second tier? They did, he was highly rated at the time by some people, mainly the press so things haven't changed much on that score as they are still shit when it comes to rating English managers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 What is so special about Sherwood ? He managed a good spurs team for 4 months and did ok and now he is so arrogant he's knocking jobs back left right and centre Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 What is so special about Sherwood ? He managed a good spurs team for 4 months and did ok and now he is so arrogant he's knocking jobs back left right and centre I'm not sure it's arrogance, he might just want a job he feels comfortable with and not jumping into something he feels isn't for him. In some ways it makes a change from some of the pricks who chase every job going just to get another pay cheque for failing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Jesus Christ. He'll give an interview after they appoint someone else saying he didn't get the job because of his colour. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
U2 Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 What an absolute non-story :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Finance far out ways racism in football these days, if a three legged lesbian Malaysian won the league in Portugal three years off the trot premier leagues clubs would be all over it, Campbell is stuck in the 90s with his ramblings Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 What is so special about Sherwood ? He managed a good spurs team for 4 months and did ok and now he is so arrogant he's knocking jobs back left right and centre I'm not sure it's arrogance, he might just want a job he feels comfortable with and not jumping into something he feels isn't for him. In some ways it makes a change from some of the pricks who chase every job going just to get another pay cheque for failing. I'm pretty sure arrogance at least plays a part . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 I know you'll have no doubt posted about it plenty when he was there, but how did you rate Sherwood, Leffe? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 If JC puts us 10th this season he'll have done as much as Sherwood has in his managerial career. TS is a massive gamble, especially when you consider his temperament and personality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallace Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 What is so special about Sherwood ? He managed a good spurs team for 4 months and did ok and now he is so arrogant he's knocking jobs back left right and centre I'm not sure it's arrogance, he might just want a job he feels comfortable with and not jumping into something he feels isn't for him. In some ways it makes a change from some of the pricks who chase every job going just to get another pay cheque for failing. Apparently he is making a lot of demands which has put previously interested clubs off e.g. wages, staff and other requirements. He has not got enough experience to make those demands at this stage of his career so it is putting clubs like QPR off. It is all very well having confidence in your own ability but he needs to prove it first as there is no guarantee he is going to be a success and for clubs in a relegation battle, he is a risky appointment. He is going to have to compromise at some stage otherwise he won't get a job at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Villa= Sherwood until 2018 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Sherwood, seems like an absolute tit and hopefully crashes and burns again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1878 Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Even if he keeps Villa up, I think I'd rather get relegated by Lambert than let Tim Sherwood be associated with my club. One of the biggest cunts in football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard of Byker Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Pardew Jr. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 I love it when managers are compared for no other reason than the region in which they were born. Really progressive thinking, that. Anyway, back in the real world Sherwood will get them scoring (more) goals. They'll stay up now, no bother. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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