The Managerial Merry Go Round™ - Silva leaves Fulham

[SUPERTOON]

2 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

 

Not sure if Glasner would have been the right fit for Liverpool but when I suggested him as a replacement for Howe it got a fair bit of blowback. He's not too popular, maybe because of what is perceived to be a defensive style, but he's won silverware twice now at a small club. I think he is seriously underrated. 

I think he’s great, but he’s seems very outspoken regarding the board. I definitely wouldn’t be against him if Howe was to go.

[Stottie]

29 minutes ago, Andy said:

 

The likes of Bournemouth, Brighton and Brentford are set up from the very top to allow a manager to succeed in that environment, their recruitment infrastructure in particular is absolutely superb and it's why Brighton and Brentford especially have been able to change managers and maintain the exact same level of success, with the previous managers hardly pulling up trees at their respective new jobs. 

This is very true. You could also say it about some of those teams' players when they join new clubs, including the one we bought.

 

On a similar tip, Liverpool are yet to get 30% of what we got out of Isak. On peak form, the Carabao semi vs. Arsenal for example, Isak terrified teams.

[andycap]

4 hours ago, Charlies said:

 

Could he get a start for once? Justice for chiesa. 😂 

[toon25]

Genuinely think Glasner is a better manager than Iraola

[andycap]

4 hours ago, SUPERTOON said:

Wonder who Palace end up with now.

Brucey he knows the club ex manager in the 90s.

[Joe1984]

Just now, andycap said:

Brucey he knows the club ex manager in the 90s.

Pardew exactly the same just a different decade.

 

Former player too.

[toon25]

2 hours ago, Jackie Broon said:

 

Arsene Wenger

Brenden Rogers at Liverpool

Harry Redknapp at Spurs

Manuel Pellegrini

This cunt Arteta?

[andycap]

When the time comes where we need to partways with eddie I hope there's some good managers left. Alonso taken, iraola taken, maresca taken, if glasner gets snapped up we could end up with Mike Williamson managing us. 😂 

[toon25]

12 minutes ago, andycap said:

When the time comes where we need to partways with eddie I hope there's some good managers left. Alonso taken, iraola taken, maresca taken, if glasner gets snapped up we could end up with Mike Williamson managing us. 😂 

 

Maresca 

 

Give over man

[Milburn]

2 hours ago, Kid Icarus said:

 

That bit that gets forgot about Pochettino was them focussing on the Champions League, wasn't it? The way Spurs treated him was a joke and they've never been the same since.

 

The Rodgers example is a good one I think. From what I remember he'd ran the players into the ground, the injuries got ridiculous, and everything collapsed.

 

The Howe one (aside from it being Howe obviously) isn’t though really, those 9th, 12th, 14th positions were 46, 44, 45 points, so it was more steady than it wad a decline that couldn't be halted, until the following season.

 

 

 

I agree that Rodgers is probably the strongest example of the three.

 

On Pochettino, I agree the Champions League run complicates things, but I'd still argue it masked a decline that was already visible domestically. The final was an incredible achievement, but their league form throughout 2019 was nowhere near the level people associated with peak Spurs under him.

 

As for Howe at Bournemouth, that's fair. The league positions themselves don't scream decline. My point is more that when Bournemouth eventually did hit a wall, Howe didn't find a way out of it. The trajectory continued all the way to relegation.

 

Ultimately I'm not saying Howe is guaranteed to fail next season. I'm saying history suggests managers in this situation are far more likely to continue the decline than suddenly reverse it. That's why I'm struggling to share the optimism.

 

And to flip it around: can you actually name many managers who were on a clear downward trajectory for an extended period and then genuinely reversed it? Not just a brief uptick, but a sustained turnaround. Because that's really the point here. If iyou're arguing Howe will buck that trend, I'd be interested to hear which managers you're using as examples of that happening 

 

 

Edited Saturday at 17:30 by Milburn

[Deuce]

3 hours ago, The Bonk said:

Should see a new brand of touchline inhaler’s next season. Isak will be cooked if that’s how he runs training.

Therein lies the risk for Iraola: he’ll be implementing something very different at a club that expects immediate results. You don’t get a bedding in period at a cartel club looking to compete in multiple competitions.

 

I think he’s more than capable of being successful there, just don’t know if he’ll be given the time.

[Deuce]

3 hours ago, El Prontonise said:

 

Well you don't know until they get the job at such a club.

 

I actually think Glasner would probably be a better choice for them.

 

 

 

They have a perfect pair of wingbacks, neither of whom is very good in a back 4, for Glasner’s system. Problem is they need to sign like 3 more CBs  

[Andy]

1 hour ago, toon25 said:

Genuinely think Glasner is a better manager than Iraola

 

Aye, can't argue with two trophies at Palace.

[andycap]

47 minutes ago, toon25 said:

 

Maresca 

 

Give over man

City got him in so he must be decent. 

[KaKa]

51 minutes ago, Deuce said:

Therein lies the risk for Iraola: he’ll be implementing something very different at a club that expects immediate results. You don’t get a bedding in period at a cartel club looking to compete in multiple competitions.

 

I think he’s more than capable of being successful there, just don’t know if he’ll be given the time.

 

I like Iraola, but hoping it's a spectacular disaster somehow.

[OverThere]

5 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

I like Iraola, but hoping it's a spectacular disaster somehow.

Because it's Liverpool, the self proclaimed best club and fans in the world 

[greydos]

1 hour ago, Deuce said:

Therein lies the risk for Iraola: he’ll be implementing something very different at a club that expects immediate results. You don’t get a bedding in period at a cartel club looking to compete in multiple competitions.

 

I think he’s more than capable of being successful there, just don’t know if he’ll be given the time.

The real beauty of this is, whatever the risk for Iraola, there’s a greater risk for Isak’s groin training 7 days week and pressing man for man in games! He’ll blow out by Christmas!

[KaKa]

30 minutes ago, greydos said:

The real beauty of this is, whatever the risk for Iraola, there’s a greater risk for Isak’s groin training 7 days week and pressing man for man in games! He’ll blow out by Christmas!

 

Howe often mentioned how they had to manage his training due to that groin issue.

 

Hopefully no one gives Iraola the memo.

 

 

Edited Saturday at 19:25 by KaKa

[Erikse]

I actually think that Man City will do better with Maresca than Liverpool will do with Iraola. Maresca is underrated in here imo. Chelsea is the problem, and he did improve them. Man City is a much better place for him to come atm.

 

 

Edited Saturday at 19:39 by Erikse

[Ben]

35 minutes ago, Erikse said:

I actually think that Man City will do better with Maresca than Liverpool will do with Iraola. Maresca is underrated in here imo. Chelsea is the problem, and he did improve them. Man City is a much better place for him to come atm.

 

 

 

 

100% agree, I dont think the Liverpool players will work for Iraola 

[TBG]

If you hold other teams to the same standards, Arteta must be under pressure?

[Hudson]

8 minutes ago, TBG said:

If you hold other teams to the same standards, Arteta must be under pressure?

Just a shame it’s not Oceangate levels.

[Kid Icarus]

3 hours ago, Milburn said:

I agree that Rodgers is probably the strongest example of the three.

 

On Pochettino, I agree the Champions League run complicates things, but I'd still argue it masked a decline that was already visible domestically. The final was an incredible achievement, but their league form throughout 2019 was nowhere near the level people associated with peak Spurs under him.

 

As for Howe at Bournemouth, that's fair. The league positions themselves don't scream decline. My point is more that when Bournemouth eventually did hit a wall, Howe didn't find a way out of it. The trajectory continued all the way to relegation.

 

Ultimately I'm not saying Howe is guaranteed to fail next season. I'm saying history suggests managers in this situation are far more likely to continue the decline than suddenly reverse it. That's why I'm struggling to share the optimism.

 

And to flip it around: can you actually name many managers who were on a clear downward trajectory for an extended period and then genuinely reversed it? Not just a brief uptick, but a sustained turnaround. Because that's really the point here. If iyou're arguing Howe will buck that trend, I'd be interested to hear which managers you're using as examples of that happening 

 

 

 

I'd argue it's rare predominantly because managers rarely, if ever, get the chance to, but the obvious ones that come to mind are:

 

Fergie went 3 years not winning the title then won it 3 years in a row. Man United also had finishes of 11th, 2nd, 13th, 8th, 6th, and 2nd before he started his dominance.

 

Arteta had a good start with an F.A Cup at Arsenal, but finished 8th, 5th, 2nd, 2nd before finally winning something (the league) again.

 

The other two that I've spoken about loads are Klopp and Guardiola. Both had transition seasons with big drop offs that they somewhat recovered from.

 

Klopp had two within a run of from 1st to 3rd to 2nd to 5th to 3rd. 1st to 3rd was a 30 point drop off, back to 2nd a 23 point gain, down to 5th a 25 point drop off, up to 3rd a 15 point gain, then Slot came in and won the league on 1 point more.

 

Guardiola was in the middle of something similar, highs then dropping off and regaining, but with the rebuild still needing to be complete, but he's left.

 

 

Edited Saturday at 20:33 by Kid Icarus

[Optimistic Nut]

Ranieri back at Leicester. Love that. 

 

Ah was just a Charity Match. Shame. 

 

 

Edited Saturday at 21:05 by Optimistic Nut

[EssexMaggy]

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