The Managerial Merry Go Round™

[TRon]

Celtic are a fantastic club, same goes for Rangers, Scotland is a wonderful country, but the Scottish Premier league because of it's smaller size just doesn't have the pull of the EPL. When you know only one of two clubs will win the title, both from the same city, then it takes a bit of the excitement out of it. 

While Celtic would undoubtedly be an exciting prospect for a manager, if you can get a job at a decent PL club instead, a lot of managers will prefer that option. Howe's standing is high enough you would expect he could get a decent offer soon enough if he doesn't take the Celtic job.

[Ben]

I backed Domenec Torrent in February for the Celtic job but Skybet settled it as a loser last week  

[Pilko]

Totally understand why Howe isn't wanting to take that job unless there's a really clear direction and massive transfer plans. Sellick are a million miles behind Rangers and unless he closes the gap in a couple of seasons, which is a hell of a lot easier said than done, his stock could fall rapidly.

[Ben]

Jack Ross linked now 

[Froggy]

4 hours ago, mofo said:

@Froggy Do you think the majority of Mun U fans want Solskjaer out? All my mates who support Manu U are happy with what he is doing (trying to do....)

Nobody wants him out. Everyone I know is happy with him.

[Collage]

4 hours ago, astraguy said:

I did think of Sunderland they love taking from man u

Makes sense. Two awful, awful clubs.

[rgk_lfc]

2 hours ago, Wullie said:

To take a club that had spent essentially its entire existence in the 3rd and 4th tiers of English football from bottom of the 4th tier on -17 points to established Premier League safety for several seasons, in the space of about six years, is one of English football's greatest ever achievements. 

And then because that tiny club then got relegated again eventually, the manager becomes a laughing stock to some people.

Really gets my goat, and shows how in thrall some people are to the "Premier League/Sky/Big 6 etc" narrative that they claim to hate. Basically unless you're one of the world's best managers, in charge of a club with the resources to win everything all the time, you're shit.

Here, people evaluate and label managers on outcomes rather than looking at the context. Poch and Rodgers = bottler. Klopp = bottler till May 2019, No longer a bottler post May 2019. Nobody (pundits, media, fans, owners) wants to dig deeper and understand the conditions under which certain things were achieved and then rate a manager. 

For example, Rafa. Dismissed from Real Valladolid after a run of 2 wins in 23 games. Dismissed from Osasuna after 1 win in 9 games in second division. Extramudara, got them promoted to La liga but got relegated in first year. Got Tenerife promoted to La Liga. Then he was offered the Valencia job who had just lost the CL final. In the first press conference, he told "You come from the Champions League final and I come from Segunda División, but humbly I think I have tools to make you improve" and that was widely applauded in Spain. In England, he would not have been offered a job in the championship based on his Real Valladolid performance. He would have been laughed out by the pundits here - Gray, Keys, Neville, Carragher - for making that statement. "Hahaha, gets fired from multiple jobs in the second division and he thinks he can teach Ayala to be a better defender". There are many reasons why Italy, Germany, Spain, Portugal, Netherland seem to produce quality managers at a regular frequency. I think one of the reason is that the public, pundits, owners are able to identify a quality coaching job when they see one without looking at the results and back them. 

Regarding Howe, I think he is a quality coach with a style of play which fits very well the ethos of a progressive club. I like his Bournemouth style more than early Rodgers (and I really rate Rodgers). I felt that Rodgers Swansea and early LFC teams, sometimes passed for the sake of passing, so that he can gloat about passing statistics in the press conference. I feel Howe's team pass with more purpose. And maybe his transfers were not good. But it is not like players were queuing up to play for Bournemouth.  Even if he has not got an eye for a player, I don't think it will be a problem. Lot of clubs - LFC, Brentford, Leicester, Wolves- have moved onto a DOF model where the manager focuses on coaching and tactics only. I am confident more will adopt that model. He will excel in that model where he can just focus on coaching and player improvement. 

Even if he fails elsewhere (I don't think that's likely), I would rather take a chance on someone like Howe, rather than keep giving PFMs jobs constantly. And that still will not diminish his achievements at Bournemouth as one of English football's greatest ever achievements by an inch. 

[Fantail Breeze]

3 hours ago, Wullie said:

To take a club that had spent essentially its entire existence in the 3rd and 4th tiers of English football from bottom of the 4th tier on -17 points to established Premier League safety for several seasons, in the space of about six years, is one of English football's greatest ever achievements. 

And then because that tiny club then got relegated again eventually, the manager becomes a laughing stock to some people.

Really gets my goat, and shows how in thrall some people are to the "Premier League/Sky/Big 6 etc" narrative that they claim to hate. Basically unless you're one of the world's best managers, in charge of a club with the resources to win everything all the time, you're shit.

It is fairly unbelievable, until you realise @Tubestationatmidnightposted it.

[joeyt]

18 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said:

It is fairly unbelievable, until you realise @Tubestationatmidnightposted it.

Didn't you join a long time after tubes was banned?

[Fantail Breeze]

1 minute ago, joeyt said:

Didn't you join a long time after tubes was banned?

Yeah. Well, that depends on which tubes account you’re talking about  

Browsed the forum for many years. On and off at times though. There was a period where I didn’t come on at all for about a year. But apart from that, probably 6+ years before I joined.

[joeyt]

 

[GavMcEl]

Terrible move for howe, not going to celtic, massive club fanatical fan base, couple of good signings and they would be winning titles and domestic honours, with a few European nights under the flood lights at Park head... Whats next for him now managing mid table prem teams like palace and Southampton where its an achievement finishing above 12th, he will never get an opportunity like that again

[Fantail Breeze]

21 minutes ago, joeyt said:

 

What a random appointment that is. Reeks of desperation like.

[Pandamninator]

Postecoglou is a very good coach, but all of his success has come in Australia, apart from the recent J-League title.  He also cracked under the pressure towards the end in the Australian National Manager job. 

The criticism was unfair, but it's Australia - the Socceroos and the sport in general locally are a non entity outside of the pool stages of the World Cup every 4 years.  If he couldn't handle that, good luck with the bullshit that you have to put up with being the Celtic manager where a Domestic Treble at best buys you another 12 months.

[rgk_lfc]

Zidane's open letter to Madrid fans

https://en.as.com/en/2021/05/31/football/1622417445_986023.html

Dear Real Madrid fans,

For more than 20 years, from the first day I arrived in Madrid and wore the white shirt, you’ve shown me your love. I’ve always felt that there was something special between us. I’ve had the enormous honour of being a player and the coach of the greatest club ever, but above all I’m just another Madrid fan. For all these reasons I wanted to write this letter, to say goodbye to you and explain my decision to leave the coaching job.

When, in March 2019, I accepted the offer to return to Real Madrid after a break of eight months it was, of course, because President Florentino Pérez asked me, but also because all of you asked me every day to do so. When I met any of you in the street I felt your support and the desire to see me with the team again. Because I share the values of Real Madrid; this club belongs to its members, its fans and the entire world. I’ve tried to follow these values in everything I have done, and I’ve tried to be an example. Being at Madrid for 20 years is the most beautiful thing that’s happened to me in my life and I know I owe that entirely to the fact Florentino Pérez backed me in 2001, he fought to get me, to bring me here when some people were against it. I say it from the heart when I say that I will always be grateful to the ‘presi’ for that. Always.

I have now decided to leave and I want to properly explain the reasons. I’m going, but I’m not jumping overboard, nor am I tired of coaching. In May 2018 I left because after two and a half years, with so many victories and so many trophies, I felt the team needed a new approach to stay at the very highest level. Right now, things are different. I’m leaving because I feel the club no longer has the faith in me I need, nor the support to build something in the medium or long term. I understand football and I know the demands of a club like Real Madrid. I know when you don’t win, you have to leave. But with this a very important thing has been forgotten, everything I built day-to-day has been forgotten, what I brought to my relationships with the players, with the 150 people who work with and around the team. I’m a natural-born winner and I was here to win trophies, but even more important than this are the people, their feelings, life itself and I have the sensation these things have not been taken into account, that there has been a failure to understand that these things also keep the dynamics of a great club going. To some extent I have even been rebuked for it.

I want there to be respect for what we have achieved together. I would have liked my relationship with the club and the president over the past few months to have been a little different to that of other coaches. I wasn’t asking for privileges, of course not, just a little more recollection. These days the life of a coach in the dugout at a big club is two seasons, little more. For it to last longer the human relationships are essential, they are more important than money, more important than fame, more important than everything. They need to be nurtured. That’s why it hurt me so much when I read in the press, after a defeat, that I would be sacked if I didn’t win the next game. It hurt me and the whole team because these deliberately leaked messages to the media negatively influenced the squad, they created doubts and misunderstandings. Luckily I had these amazing lads who were with me to the death. When things turned ugly they saved me with magnificent victories. Because they believed in me and knew I believed in them. Of course I’m not the best coach in the world, but I’m able to give everyone, whether it’s a player, a member of the coaching staff or any employee, the strength and confidence they need in their job. I know perfectly well what a team needs. Over these 20 years at Madrid I’ve learnt that you, the fans, want to win, of course, but above all you want us to give our all: the coach, the staff, the employees and of course the players. And I can assure you we’ve given 100% of ourselves to this club.

I’d like to take this opportunity to send a message to the journalists. I’ve given hundreds of press conferences and unfortunately we have spoken very little of football, though I know that you love football, this sport that brings us together. However, and without any desire to criticise or lecture, I would have liked the questions not to have always been about controversy, that we might have talked more often about the game and above all the players, who are and always will be the most important thing in this sport. Let’s not forget about football, let’s care for it.

Dear Madrid fans, I will always be one of you.

Hala Madrid!

Zinedine Zidane

 

[Guest]

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[Ben]

 

[Rafalove]

Wow. Wasn’t expecting that.

[cubaricho]

Everton to go after Howe then? Would be a decent move.

[Away Toon]

On 28/05/2021 at 02:19, Froggy said:

What were Chelsea's distractions?  Lampard? Liverpool's distractions were losing defenders to injury? Liverpool had more CB's at their disposal than we did. Not like Klopp's teams to start dying off with injury either...

People seem to forget we had no real pre-season this year and played 61 games. Rashford and Bruno were absolutely shagged by March/April. 

Greenwood and Martial were two of our best players last season and scored 40 goals between them. Yet this year Martial has had his issues with form and injury and Greenwood was non-existent for months due to being depressed at his close friend committing suicide.

Our captain who played essentially every single game for us since joining was missing for the final in which we dominated but conceded from a set piece.

As always on here it's all about how Ole is certain to fail and the only reason we finished ahead of Chelsea and Liverpool is because of their issues, as if we had none of our own.  A very poor lack of insight, blinded by hatred of the club. Everyone on here gave Ole less than a year. You have all been wrong. None of you understand the impact he has made around the club either. Clearing out the leeches and the team finally becoming a team. Everyone is happy, and that hasn't been the case for years.

Ole has brought us from 6th to 3rd to 2nd. He deserves a new contract. You can evaluate him again at the end of next season, when the expectation will have increased. He has 1-2 years now to win trophies, simple as that.

If you don't like your beloved MU being criticised don't post on here. You can be sure that firstly virtually every NUFC supporters dislikes/hates MU to various degrees and most of us think that your manager is an under performing nonentity that should be replaced asap unless your owners are happy pulling money out of the club and not actually winning anything. I would never post of any other clubs boards because I have no interest at all in what other clubs are doing.

[Fantail Breeze]

2 hours ago, cubaricho said:

Everton to go after Howe then? Would be a decent move.

What is wrong at Everton? They seem to buy well and recruit decent managers but it always seems to go to shit or be totally average.

[Pandamninator]

6 hours ago, Fantail Breeze said:

What is wrong at Everton? They seem to buy well and recruit decent managers but it always seems to go to shit or be totally average.

They can always cobble together a decent looking First XI, but they will never be able to have the depth of the Top Clubs who will have 9 figures worth of players in their unused substitute list.

After Lukaku they also never had a workhorse striker they can strap themselves to and give them 35 goals a season across all competitions.  

[Fantail Breeze]

4 hours ago, Pandamninator said:

They can always cobble together a decent looking First XI, but they will never be able to have the depth of the Top Clubs who will have 9 figures worth of players in their unused substitute list.

After Lukaku they also never had a workhorse striker they can strap themselves to and give them 35 goals a season across all competitions.  

But you could say the same about Leicester - beyond their first 11 the squad is really poor, but they’ve manage to do well (and much better than Everton) the last few seasons.

Agree re: Lukaku leaving though.

[The Prophet]

4 hours ago, Pandamninator said:

They can always cobble together a decent looking First XI, but they will never be able to have the depth of the Top Clubs who will have 9 figures worth of players in their unused substitute list.

After Lukaku they also never had a workhorse striker they can strap themselves to and give them 35 goals a season across all competitions.  

I'd say their recruitment was pretty poor until Anchelotti came in. Spending bucket fulls on the likes of Iwobi.

They look painfully one paced and take an age to get the ball from back to front. Its why the likes and us and Fulham found it so easy to sit in at Goodison. They could actually do with someone like ASM.

[KaKa]

Must be really frustrating being an Everton fan. The owner seems engaged and has made a lot of funds available and has also brought in decent managers but it's all been pretty unimpressive in the end.