The Managerial Merry Go Round™

[Dokko]

2 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

 

 

Imagine trying to get to know 314 players when you're only there for 7 weeks. 

 

Long term, its probably the right thing, but I doubt his pally pall approach is going to yield results. Half won't care as they know he won't be here next season.

[Dokko]

1 minute ago, 54 said:

To be fair, given how he's had 3 games in 7 days, there isn't a whole lot you could do tactically in that time, so trying to lift the players spirits is probably the correct thing to do in those circumstances.

 

And I say that as someone who doesn't rate Lampard.

 

Probably best treat it like National team callup. Everything focused on bonding the team, fitness, and deal with the basics tactically. I've heard he's switched formations...brave and probably stupid, unless its what the players want.

[SUPERTOON]

5 minutes ago, 54 said:

To be fair, given how he's had 3 games in 7 days, there isn't a whole lot you could do tactically in that time, so trying to lift the players spirits is probably the correct thing to do in those circumstances.

 

And I say that as someone who doesn't rate Lampard.

I’d have spent it being tactically ready for Real Madrid tbh.

[SUPERTOON]

On another note, Gary O’Neil manger of the year if Bournemouth stay up ?

[Hanshithispantz]

14 minutes ago, Rich said:

In comparison to us, you mean?

I just think it’s more likely that they’re just bad at managing players than them being lazy tactically, or not taking the science side of the game seriously. I think Lampard actually comes across as someone who looked dedicated to becoming a great manager, he’s just shite at it.

 

 

Edited April 16, 2023 by Hanshithispantz

[Yorkie]

3 minutes ago, Hanshithispantz said:

I just think it’s more likely that they’re just bad at managing players than them being lazy tactically, or not taking the science side of the game seriously. I think Lampard actually comes across as someone who looked dedicated to becoming a great manager, he’s just shite at it.

 

Agree with you here. I don't particularly like Lampard but bundling him in with that utter shitstain Gerrard is harsh imo. Arrogant doesn't even come close with that arsehole. 

[toon25]

47 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

 

I thought he already knew the players?

[Bimpy474]

How an earth can any of you accuse Lampard and Gerrard of laziness, thinking they're too arrogant to try hard, just plucking that accusation out of thin air. They're just not good managers, it's doesn't mean they aren't trying or working as hard as they can. 

 

One thing iwould day is true, they got their jobs on who they are, not their ability as managers, and even then Lampard and Gerrard first jobs went OK, so it wasn't a complete surprise they got big jobs.

 

They're both just not good at the higher level. 

[Novocastrian]

9 minutes ago, Bimpy474 said:

How an earth can any of you accuse Lampard and Gerrard of laziness, thinking they're too arrogant to try hard, just plucking that accusation out of thin air. They're just not good managers, it's doesn't mean they aren't trying or working as hard as they can. 

 

One thing iwould day is true, they got their jobs on who they are, not their ability as managers, and even then Lampard and Gerrard first jobs went OK, so it wasn't a complete surprise they got big jobs.

 

They're both just not good at the higher level. 

After playing for many years at the highest level and working with some of the most elite managers in the game it should be a given they ‘know’ about football. I think there’s an additional dimension to football management and tactics that only the deepest thinkers and strategists can unlock. The likes of Lampard and Gerrard are either lacking this faculty or they understand but cannot impart this knowledge to their players.

 

 

Edited April 16, 2023 by Novocastrian

[Bimpy474]

44 minutes ago, Novocastrian said:

After playing for many years at the highest level and working with some of the most elite managers in the game it should be a given they ‘know’ about football. I think there’s an additional dimension to football management and tactics that only the deepest thinkers and strategists can unlock. The likes of Lampard and Gerrard are either lacking this faculty or they understand but cannot impart this knowledge to their players.

 

 

 

 

That's it on the head, it's that lack of acumen to get your ideas and football knowledge over to players,  not laziness on their part imo. 

 

Past players who are now Managers like Rafa, Eddie and Mourinho who were never elite or higher level players for that matter, so despite never having the same playing experience, they can.

 

It's the same as some of the merry go round managers, until owners see those managers and their abilities are not good enough, they'll stay on carousel. And, continue to be picked for jobs for who they are. 

 

 

Edited April 16, 2023 by Bimpy474

[magvicar]

Obviously Lampard isn't going to turn down Chelsea and especially a big pay day for a short amount of time.

The thing is Lampard's walked back into a club he says he knows inside out and in a way he does in terms of the ground and training facilities and such, plus a fair chunk of players.

 

He's likely looked at the players bought and thought he could quickly turn them around and fire Chelsea into winning ways and be hailed a hero.

What he's likely not getting is that many of those players are mercenaries and a fair few of the older guard will be disillusioned.

Not an easy thing to turn around just with that.

The individual quality is one thing but getting those egos to gel and actually create a trench like attitude will be hard for most managers.

 

If the owner stops trying to play FIFA 22/23 and actually hands the reins to a manager to actually do a proper manager/coach role then Chelsea will become a force again.

Personally I hope he keeps playing his FIFA with live players and they sink like a big lead block.

[Ben]

1 hour ago, SUPERTOON said:

On another note, Gary O’Neil manger of the year if Bournemouth stay up ?

Good shout didn't Parker say the players weren't good enough 

[Yorkie]

1 hour ago, Bimpy474 said:

How an earth can any of you accuse Lampard and Gerrard of laziness, thinking they're too arrogant to try hard, just plucking that accusation out of thin air. They're just not good managers, it's doesn't mean they aren't trying or working as hard as they can. 

 

One thing iwould day is true, they got their jobs on who they are, not their ability as managers, and even then Lampard and Gerrard first jobs went OK, so it wasn't a complete surprise they got big jobs.

 

They're both just not good at the higher level. 

 

That really isn't the case with Gerrard. He only has to open his mouth to provide piles of evidence. 

[SUPERTOON]

8 minutes ago, Ben said:

Good shout didn't Parker say the players weren't good enough 

Yep, pretty much said they where down at the beginning of the season.

[The Butcher]

 

[astraguy]

 

[gbandit]

2 hours ago, Bimpy474 said:

How an earth can any of you accuse Lampard and Gerrard of laziness, thinking they're too arrogant to try hard, just plucking that accusation out of thin air. They're just not good managers, it's doesn't mean they aren't trying or working as hard as they can. 

 

One thing iwould day is true, they got their jobs on who they are, not their ability as managers, and even then Lampard and Gerrard first jobs went OK, so it wasn't a complete surprise they got big jobs.

 

They're both just not good at the higher level. 

The arrogance was clear in almost every press conference they did at Everton and Aston Villa respectively. Where does that arrogance come from? What have they achieved as managers? It’s lazy to come into a top job after having only got it because of an amazing footballing career and then act the big lad and throw your players under the bus like they both did

[SUPERTOON]

6 minutes ago, astraguy said:

 

That’s staggeringly bad ?

[Ben]

3 minutes ago, gbandit said:

The arrogance was clear in almost every press conference they did at Everton and Aston Villa respectively. Where does that arrogance come from? What have they achieved as managers? It’s lazy to come into a top job after having only got it because of an amazing footballing career and then act the big lad and throw your players under the bus like they both did

I think the comments of the Everton and Villa players since the departure of Lampard and Gerrard speaks volumes. Hollywood managers that turn up on match day and pick the team, take credit for the victories and blame others for defeats.

 

Top class selfish players don't make good managers.

[KaKa]

20 minutes ago, The Butcher said:

 

 

I genuinely think the managers themselves also think like this, and totally buy into this victim mindset, and so instead of looking at learning and improving on themselves, they just tell themselves they are being looked over because owners 'just like a foreign name'. My God man ... seriously.

 

 

Edited April 16, 2023 by KaKa

[joeyt]

Not sure how Lampard was a selfish player

 

Gerrard possibly but he was still brilliant

[Ben]

Just now, joeyt said:

Not sure how Lampard was a selfish player

 

Gerrard possibly but he was still brilliant

I don't mean his play was selfish but at that level with personal staff looking after you and agents blowing your trumpet it breeds selfishness.

[joeyt]

Just now, Ben said:

I don't mean his play was selfish but at that level with personal staff looking after you and agents blowing your trumpet it breeds selfishness.

 

So just like every top class player?

 

There's plenty to bash Lampard and Gerrard about but they were unbelievable players

[Dr.Spaceman]

3 hours ago, Bimpy474 said:

How an earth can any of you accuse Lampard and Gerrard of laziness, thinking they're too arrogant to try hard, just plucking that accusation out of thin air. They're just not good managers, it's doesn't mean they aren't trying or working as hard as they can. 

 

One thing iwould day is true, they got their jobs on who they are, not their ability as managers, and even then Lampard and Gerrard first jobs went OK, so it wasn't a complete surprise they got big jobs.

 

They're both just not good at the higher level. 

 

Gerrard's a known coke addict, right? Probably affects him in some way.

[Ben]

23 minutes ago, joeyt said:

 

So just like every top class player?

 

There's plenty to bash Lampard and Gerrard about but they were unbelievable players

I said they were top class