Optimistic Nut Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 (edited) If Man Utd, Chelsea, Liverpool have a shite window and poor season, they can write it off and spend £150m without flinching. Everton and Wolves do similar, they can't spend to put it right. I don't think that's 'financial fair play' at all. If the owners have the money to correct what they've done, there shouldn't be anything to stop them. All we're going to get if clubs continue to be punished this way is a big 6, then the rest filled up with clubs like Palace and Ashley- NUFC, happy with their lot just to be in the league without threatening the big boys. Edited August 9, 2023 by Optimistic Nut Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieDazzler Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 Seems the transfer busts and gradual owner estrangement have cost them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRaspberryJam Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 15 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said: On a graph of people versus task, where does the line go? You know ONeill has two assistants and I don’t even know what he uses them for. When ONeill was managing Bournemouth, Jagtens perception was that he’s having a laugh. Mucking around at the expense of Michael B Jordan and William Foley. Jagten got the impression that O’Neill would rather be popular than steer Bournemouth in the right direction. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 10 hours ago, madras said: One of our lot has family there. Lovely people, he was NUFC through and through but with the thickest, I'm guessing Smethwickian, accent ever. Put us up and put up with us, cracking and unexpected Sunday dinner as well. But I'd never seen so many Ford Cortina's, even passing a car with a cover on, lifted the cover what are the odds.....a Mk IV fucking Cortina ! Great cars, though, very redolent of my childhood, my Dad had a series of them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 2 hours ago, GeordieDazzler said: Seems the transfer busts and gradual owner estrangement have cost them It's Randy Lerner. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Pardew Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 I’ve applied for the Wolves job lads. Do you think they will read my application or should I aim lower? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 Had a bit of a soft spot for Wolves, not dissimilar to Leeds, Sheffield clubs etc. Probably a combination of nostalgia and geography, although for some reason I've always felt nothing for clubs like Derby or Forest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiLvOR Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 Thought Wolves were doomed a few weeks back, this all but confirms it for me. Course, they could pull it out the bag, but I just don't see it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 27 minutes ago, Alan Pardew said: I’ve applied for the Wolves job lads. Do you think they will read my application or should I aim lower? Gonna get referred to as "Dances with Wolves" a lot mate Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 This iteration of Wolves are absolutely rank, like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhog63 Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 Notwithstanding Man City and, before them, Chelsea took the piss but isn't the top and bottom of "modern" Top flight football that you have to get the big calls (transfers) bang on. If you don't, and you're general turn over can't accommodate huge levels of transfer failure, you're doomed. All about revenue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
catlover24 Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 7 hours ago, MrRaspberryJam said: You know ONeill has two assistants and I don’t even know what he uses them for. When ONeill was managing Bournemouth, Jagtens perception was that he’s having a laugh. Mucking around at the expense of Michael B Jordan and William Foley. Jagten got the impression that O’Neill would rather be popular than steer Bournemouth in the right direction. Real-life Ted Lasso? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 What has he done to inspire a 3 year contract. They are likely paying two years of that out before the end of the season. Crazy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 I thought Wolves had guaranteed sustainability with their dodgy ownership model… did that change at some point? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 1 hour ago, Groundhog63 said: Notwithstanding Man City and, before them, Chelsea took the piss but isn't the top and bottom of "modern" Top flight football that you have to get the big calls (transfers) bang on. If you don't, and you're general turn over can't accommodate huge levels of transfer failure, you're doomed. All about revenue. I actually agree with that model in principle, but it's basic economics. If you throw money around hoping you have invested well - great if it does, tough luck if it doesn't. Our problem isn't money, it's that other clubs have been allowed to spend theirs in the last 20 years and we are now stopped from doing it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bonk Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 1 hour ago, toon25 said: This iteration of Wolves are absolutely rank, like. They were a good watch for a few seasons there, really gone to shit in a hurry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhog63 Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 8 minutes ago, TRon said: I actually agree with that model in principle, but it's basic economics. If you throw money around hoping you have invested well - great if it does, tough luck if it doesn't. Our problem isn't money, it's that other clubs have been allowed to spend theirs in the last 20 years and we are now stopped from doing it. Aye, the cunts have pulled the ladder right up from under them. Boils my piss even more that the FCB allowed our turnover to fall so much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagten Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 10 hours ago, MrRaspberryJam said: what underlying numbers? e.g., average of publicly available expected points models had them last. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRaspberryJam Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 2 minutes ago, Jagten said: e.g., average of publicly available expected points models had them last. Genuinely not sure if you're pulling my leg here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagten Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, MrRaspberryJam said: Genuinely not sure if you're pulling my leg here. No. I think approximating latent properties of noisy processes is interesting. If you don't that's OK. Edited August 9, 2023 by Jagten Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 4 hours ago, TRon said: Had a bit of a soft spot for Wolves, not dissimilar to Leeds, Sheffield clubs etc. Probably a combination of nostalgia and geography, although for some reason I've always felt nothing for clubs like Derby or Forest. Fucking HATE wolves, but probably only because my dad was Villa through and through Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhog63 Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 1 hour ago, Shearergol said: Fucking HATE wolves, but probably only because my dad was Villa through and through Quite liked Wolves. Largely based on the fact, as a young'un, I had Kenny Hibbert in my Toon team to play alongside his brother 😂 That and Steve Bull. Loved him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 6 hours ago, Alan Pardew said: I’ve applied for the Wolves job lads. Do you think they will read my application or should I aim lower? I thoroughly enjoy your commitment to jumping into this thread in character every damn time a manager is sacked, no matter the league and no matter the nation they play in Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted August 10, 2023 Share Posted August 10, 2023 On 09/08/2023 at 07:30, Optimistic Nut said: If Man Utd, Chelsea, Liverpool have a shite window and poor season, they can write it off and spend £150m without flinching. Everton and Wolves do similar, they can't spend to put it right. I don't think that's 'financial fair play' at all. If the owners have the money to correct what they've done, there shouldn't be anything to stop them. All we're going to get if clubs continue to be punished this way is a big 6, then the rest filled up with clubs like Palace and Ashley- NUFC, happy with their lot just to be in the league without threatening the big boys. That's the entire point of FFP. It's a feature, not a bug. They don't want anyone else buying their way into their little club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted August 10, 2023 Share Posted August 10, 2023 1 hour ago, Chris_R said: That's the entire point of FFP. It's a feature, not a bug. They don't want anyone else buying their way into their little club. Yep, it's by design to protect themselves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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