The Managerial Merry Go Round™

[TRon]

1 hour ago, Milburn said:

Arne Slot getting sacked puts Newcastle's stance on Howe into perspective.

 

Different clubs, different standards and different levels of ruthlessness unfortunately. 

 

 

Tbf, if we had gone after Iraola, he might just have waited for Liverpool anyway, same way as Ekitike did. 

[Ikon]

I think Iraola is class. Having said that, I'm not sure he will succeed at Liverpool despite this. That's more about Liverpool than Iraola though. Perhaps easier without Salah there anymore, to name one. Hope he doesn't succeed there (if he signs). I'm sure some will say "oh some wanted us to go for him and he's been shit"  I'm just not sure about the fit there. Wouldn't surprise me if he does well though (50/50 perhaps).

 

 

Edited May 30 by Ikon

[r0cafella]

So let me get this straight, they hang on to slot and insist he's safe and let Alonso go to Chelsea only to sack him after?

[Jonas]

Cant even have a nice enjoyable read about Slot getting sacked without having to read our fans and Iraola being thrown under the bus to defend our manager from the slightest of inferences.

[samptime29]

1 hour ago, Milburn said:

Arne Slot getting sacked puts Newcastle's stance on Howe into perspective.

 

Different clubs, different standards and different levels of ruthlessness unfortunately. 

 

Our fanbase is so whiny and disrespectful now. Such a fucking shame.

[toon25]

1 hour ago, Robster said:

If Iraola gets it, does this mean the deal was actually done months ago when Iraola handed his notice in at Bournemouth 

 

I reckon they've panicked after the Milan-Iraola links 

[Kid Icarus]

29 minutes ago, nufc123 said:

Of course but is Liverpools fall down any worse than ours this season when we compare? 

Points % wise it's a worse yeah. 

 

Ours is about a 25% drop off, their's 29%.

 

These drop offs that I've been looking at over the years that often coincide with squad overhauls seem to be 20 to 25%, so nearly 30% when their title winning points total was low to begin with isn't great like.

 

 

I can't use it as an example of clubs sticking by managers in those situations now though.

 

 

Edited May 30 by Kid Icarus

[Bimpy474]

I like Araola, now i have to hate the butthead looking goofball. 

[nufc123]

1 minute ago, Kid Icarus said:

Points % wise it's a worse yeah. 

 

Ours is about a 25% drop off, their's 29%.

 

These drop offs that I've been looking at over the years that often coincide with squad overhauls seem to be 20 to 25%, so nearly 30% when their title winning points total was low to begin with isn't great like.

 

 

I can't use it as an example of clubs sticking managers in those situations now though.

My point was only...we are no better or worse than any other fanbase.

[Kid Icarus]

Just now, nufc123 said:

My point was only...we are no better or worse than any other fanbase.

I know, and I'm saying that we are. 

[nufc123]

Just now, Kid Icarus said:

I know, and I'm saying that we are. 

Well you are wrong .

[Kid Icarus]

5 minutes ago, nufc123 said:

Well you are wrong .

Fantastic argument.

 

Delusion and what you think you're entitled to is obviously linked to what the reality is.

 

Liverpool fans' expectation of success isn't a delusion because for the most part that's been their reality, whereas for us it hasn't so an expectation of success is much more of a delusion.

 

Don't think anything about that is controversial like.

 

 

Edited May 30 by Kid Icarus

[Ikon]

God I hate Liverpool and Romano 

[Loki679]

8 minutes ago, Bimpy474 said:

I like Araola, now i have to hate the butthead looking goofball. 

 

Steady on, if he does shit we can like him again.

[nufc123]

2 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

Fantastic argument.

Didnt mean any harm to it, it was a joke.

 

 

Edited May 30 by nufc123

[nufc123]

4 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

Don't think anything about that is controversial like.

Nothing I have said is also not controversial.

[Milburn]

26 minutes ago, samptime29 said:

 

Our fanbase is so whiny and disrespectful now. Such a fucking shame.

Expecting accountability after a 12th-place finish isn’t being whiny or disrespectful.

 

And history isn’t exactly on Howe’s side. Managers who oversee a prolonged negative trend very rarely suddenly produce a renaissance the following season. More often than not, the decline continues and the club ends up making the change six months later anyway. 
 

I’m convinced the owners have made a huge mistake in keeping Howe this summer, but would be happy to be proven wrong. 

[Zero]

I just care about who is available coming September / October in case we are in deep trouble. Iraola is never a choice so whatever 

[Kid Icarus]

3 minutes ago, Milburn said:

Expecting accountability after a 12th-place finish isn’t being whiny or disrespectful.

 

And history isn’t exactly on Howe’s side. Managers who oversee a prolonged negative trend very rarely suddenly produce a renaissance the following season. More often than not, the decline continues and the club ends up making the change six months later anyway. 
 

I’m convinced the owners have made a huge mistake in keeping Howe this summer, but would be happy to be proven wrong. 

 

You got examples? Managers with prolonged success, who then have a bad season, see it through to next season, and then things either don't improve or get worse.

[Milburn]

2 hours ago, Joe1984 said:

You forgot different budgets...

 

Edit: no no. Make that VASTLY different budgets...

 

 

 

Of course the budgets are different. Newcastle shouldn't be judged by Liverpool's standards in absolute terms.

 

But both clubs have underperformed massively relative to expectations. Liverpool were expected to challenge for the title. Newcastle were expected to be competing for the top 5-6. Both failed spectacularly, yet only one club allowed that to have consequences.

 

And if we're going to keep hearing about the 58-game season, it's worth remembering that Aston Villa played 56 games, won the Europa League and still qualified for the Champions League through a 4th-place finish.

 

We absolutely don't have Liverpool's budget. We do, however, have a budget that should be capable of finishing a lot higher than 12th.

[El Prontonise]

Bournemouth were very hard to beat this season which is another tick for Irola.  lots of draws but they had a very good determination this season despite all their changes.

 

 

Edited May 30 by El Prontonise

[TheInfiniteOdyssey]

Howe not even in the frame for the Liverpool job? Hmm.

[Mike]

1 hour ago, Joe1984 said:

Pardew.

 

@Alan Pardew

 

Return of the King, King?

[Mike]

Just now, TheInfiniteOdyssey said:

Howe not even in the frame for the Liverpool job? Hmm.

 

Eddie's such a lad he tanked the season so no one would poach him.

[MagMal]

45 minutes ago, Ikon said:

I think Iraola is class. Having said that, I'm not sure he will succeed at Liverpool despite this. That's more about Liverpool than Iraola though. Perhaps easier without Salah there anymore, to name one. Hope he doesn't succeed there (if he signs). I'm sure some will say "oh some wanted us to go for him and he's been shit"  I'm just not sure about the fit there. Wouldn't surprise me if he does well though (50/50 perhaps).

 

 

 

I think he might struggle at Liverpool if he goes there with the amount of games they will play, this is based on nothing but wishful thinking and been out in the sun all day without a hat on!.