Mole_Toonfan Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 If Pep wanted a proper challenge f***ing manage Norwich or us for instance. Barca, Bayern and Man City, not exactly gonna be short of players is he. Love his football though. Not realistic is it, no manager in their right mind would drop down from the top willingly. People say this all the time but he's not alone, Mourinho and Ancelotti etc do the exact same thing. It's like people saying Messi has to move to a lesser team, to prove he's the best in the world. Why? The best players, want to play for the best teams, surely? Think that stems from the fact Maradona carried teams by himself in his career more so than the fact that Messi plays for the best team in the world. The comparison for Messi is Maradona, and I assume people feel they can't make that comparison if they haven't done the same s***. It's not like Maradona didn't play for a big team though, he played for Barcelona. Ok there were politics involved but it's not like he woke up one day and thought you know i'm gonna purposefully leave them and carry Napoli. I find the whole drop down and prove yourself with a small team to be very silly personally even if i would like to see it. Mind going from Bayern to City is a drop down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 If Pep wanted a proper challenge f***ing manage Norwich or us for instance. Barca, Bayern and Man City, not exactly gonna be short of players is he. Love his football though. Not realistic is it, no manager in their right mind would drop down from the top willingly. People say this all the time but he's not alone, Mourinho and Ancelotti etc do the exact same thing. It's like people saying Messi has to move to a lesser team, to prove he's the best in the world. Why? The best players, want to play for the best teams, surely? Think that stems from the fact Maradona carried teams by himself in his career more so than the fact that Messi plays for the best team in the world. The comparison for Messi is Maradona, and I assume people feel they can't make that comparison if they haven't done the same s***. You know, I almost included this in my original post. But thought it is so obvious that times have changed massively, so it's not really comparable. How many top top world class players, are signing for lesser teams? As in top 5-10? Not many. I don't like trying to compare 'the best ever' across generations, anyway. Plus, I wasn't around back then. So it's impossible for me to judge. Anyway, I digress. There are a lot of red top fan types in this country. That seem to genuinely believe the PL is the best thing ever and Messi isn't worthy of being called the best in the world, until he has played here and dealt with physical teams, or until he has done it for another club other than Barca. I've seen it used in the Ronaldo argument plenty of times and personally, I just don't buy it as a reason. The original point Mole made and that I followed with the Messi example, is applicable to a lot of sports and scenarios. Like I'm big into my horse racing, everyone now seems to be saying Ryan Moore is the best jockey in the world. People reply with "yeah, but he gets to ride the best horses." Yes, because he's the best FFS. Hence why he gets picked to ride the short priced, well fancied favourites, for the best trainers around. It's hardly like his agent is phoning round asking "are you interested in booking Ryan for your 33/1 outsider for the derby?" It's no different with top players and top managers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 Absolutely horrible this like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 Hope Pellegrini gets a good job in the summer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 Hope Pellegrini gets a good job in the summer Agree with that, comes across as a nice bloke and clearly a very good manager IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 Hope Pellegrini gets a good job in the summer Agree with that, comes across as a nice bloke and clearly a very good manager IMO. Good appointment for Valencia maybe if they get their shit together in the summer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 Guardiola's decided he's bored of playing with infinite lives and has decided to have a go with the invincibility cheat instead. Yawn. Might be trickier than it seems at the moment. The balance of power has shifted slightly and the mid-table sides are fully capable now of beating a top 4 side. Much more than a decade ago. I do agree with your general point tho. A real test would have been a 10yr project outside a top 4 club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 As much as I don't blame Pep for going to massive/rich clubs all the time, it would be interesting to see what he could do with someone slightly lower down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 Think he's going to try his hand as Djokovic's coach next. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 Just somewhere that hasn't got an infinite pool of resources would be nice. The most obnoxiously rich team in the country now has probably the best manager in the world, it's fucking vile. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 Guardiola's decided he's bored of playing with infinite lives and has decided to have a go with the invincibility cheat instead. Yawn. Might be trickier than it seems at the moment. The balance of power has shifted slightly and the mid-table sides are fully capable now of beating a top 4 side. Much more than a decade ago. I do agree with your general point tho. A real test would have been a 10yr project outside a top 4 club. The balance of power has shifted more because there isn't any consistently good team in the league rather than the midtable teams being particularly good IMO. Chelsea were consistently good just last season and ran away with the title losing less games than Barcelona did in La Liga Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41405000/jpg/_41405040_footy3.jpg It was a beautiful time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 I have a lot of respect for what Guardiola did at Barcelona, but he's pretty much just cheating now. At least Klopp's got balls. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swissmag Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 As much as I don't blame Pep for going to massive/rich clubs all the time, it would be interesting to see what he could do with someone slightly lower down. I always said the same about Mourinho...but people were laughing at me when I said that he would not be a good match with Newcastle. Just think that managers like Mourinho, Pep and Benitez (as an example) are not made for any crisis. I cannot remember anyone of them being able to avoid/move out of a crisis. Just my opinion Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
summerof69 Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 in fairness to pep, I think ( if i'm not mistaken ), he has said he wants to go manage Brescia someday, so I guess that will be his challenge. I think if I was manchester united, I would go for Pochetino plays a good brand of footbal and could be the long term appointment they are looking for . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 As much as I don't blame Pep for going to massive/rich clubs all the time, it would be interesting to see what he could do with someone slightly lower down. I always said the same about Mourinho...but people were laughing at me when I said that he would not be a good match with Newcastle. Just think that managers like Mourinho, Pep and Benitez (as an example) are not made for any crisis. I cannot remember anyone of them being able to avoid/move out of a crisis. Just my opinion Different skill sets init, as a manager Pep has already well established teams playing the best football we've probably ever seen, but he doesn't have to deal with the same issues someone like Ranieri does at Leicester. He's just perfectly suited for the Man City job, it really irritates me I think they'll wreck the league as long as he's there. Hopefully he continues the trend and fucks off after a few year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 I hate Mourinho with a passion but he won the Champions League with Porto so not exactly the same as Guardiola Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 I hate Mourinho with a passion but he won the Champions League with Porto so not exactly the same as Guardiola Aye but that's where he started, not Guardiola's fault he was given the Barca job as his first job Considering where Mourinho has gone since i highly doubt he would willingly drop down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 There was more to Mourinho than just 'give loads of money = win' though, I think it's a fair point. Mourinho's massively changed now like, he used to be a cocky daft cunt but has aged into an insufferable, miserable bellend. I cannot see him doing what he did again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 Looking forward to bumping into Pep for a pint in Alderley, mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 Just somewhere that hasn't got an infinite pool of resources would be nice. The most obnoxiously rich team in the country now has probably the best manager in the world, it's f***ing vile. I do agree it would be but it's just not realistic really, none of the top managers are willingly dropping down. They are all taking the best jobs available to them. You could say Klopp i suppose but there's no actual evidence to suggest he didn't take the best job available to him as none better were available at the time. He's no different to the rest, Ancelotti's last 4 jobs have been Chelsea, PSG, Madrid and now Bayern. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 in fairness to pep, I think ( if i'm not mistaken ), he has said he wants to go manage Brescia someday, so I guess that will be his challenge. I think if I was manchester united, I would go for Pochetino plays a good brand of footbal and could be the long term appointment they are looking for . That is who we want. Pochettino would be perfect and wouldn't fuck off in three years. We were never in for Pep. Would have loved Klopp like but oh well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 I hate Mourinho with a passion but he won the Champions League with Porto so not exactly the same as Guardiola Aye but that's where he started, not Guardiola's fault he was given the Barca job as his first job Considering where Mourinho has gone since i highly doubt he would willingly drop down. His first job was the B team. The cunt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swissmag Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 I hate Mourinho with a passion but he won the Champions League with Porto so not exactly the same as Guardiola but then again Porto was the biggest (or at least one of the biggest clubs in Portugal) portuguese club at that time. I am talking about a mid-/ or lower table club without a lot of money to spend. I mean his Porto team was: P. Ferreira, Costinha, Deco, Conceicao, McCarthy, Derlei, Maniche, Bosingwa just to name a few. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 Good thing about Pep is he's still really young and only seems to do these 3 year deals so he might fuck off from Citeh after 3 years and decide it's time for an actual challenge Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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