Mike Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 Rich dun like footy cos gay lol Rich, man. Think of what's waiting in the other end of the WC, man. Get your fill now, cause the king is on the way. Already seen a pic today of the King at SJP. It brought back the hatred. As soon as Rich sees a free kick floated up to Willo he'll be begging for the WC back Struggling to string three passes together, thinking about that time he was sick of watching Messi play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucaAltieri Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 What 'context' would you like? See the above post. As it's near impossible to separate the individual from the context of his team, role, competition they're playing in, etc I think it's risky business giving too much importance to these numbers when comparing them side by side. Statistical analysis has a role to play in football, but you've got to be comparing like for like otherwise the numbers are meaningless. A great example is comparing Demba Ba's pre-Cisse and post-Cisse scoring records with us. If you remove all context, it looks like Ba's form completely dropped. You need the context of knowing he was being played in a wide position to figure out what's really going on. Another example would be Jozy Altidore's scoring record in Holland. The numbers alone are meaningless without context. You can't compare Messi's all-Barca career to Ronaldo's career looking just at the numbers, which is why I'm focusing on their current talent, attitudes, performances. Actually, those stats were derived in context, the article had a whole segment trying to separate Messi's numbers from the impact Barca has had on his numbers. Not to be a jerk, but try reading it during halftime, I'd be curious what you think afterwards. I'll take a look in a few, see what they came up with. But it'll have to be some work of genius to separate out the fact they've played for completely different clubs at different levels, in different countries for their entire careers. Barcelona and Madrid are in the same country for the time being at least But they are different clubs. There's not a single like-for-like factor in their careers. Guess we can't say Ronaldo is better than Dean Whitehead then. We can, because when you add in the context Ronaldo is a better player. If you look at the technique, fitness, etc it's no contest. Stats only work in apples to apples comparisons. For the rest you have to use your brain. Ronaldo, having won less, scored less, assisted less, looked worse, achieved less internationally and been less critically acclaimed is a better player? Bizarre. Possibly you saw some 'context' in the king that we all missed for so long. That's quite the distortion of my premise. You can't compare two sets of numbers derived in different ways and expect a meaningful result. It's basic science and remains true whether you choose to accept it or not. Messi may well be the "better" (whatever that means, given how subjective it is) player. I said as much. But it's not because numbers say so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 Rich dun like footy cos gay lol Rich, man. Think of what's waiting in the other end of the WC, man. Get your fill now, cause the king is on the way. Won't be watching that shit like Riiiiiiiiiight. We're all gonna watch it like dickheads. I'll watch when I have to, otherwise it's not happening. I don't buy it, man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 Rich spent the protest fund on platinum club tickets to the Kings show I bought a sense deprivation chamber to go in when our games are on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 Rich dun like footy cos gay lol Rich, man. Think of what's waiting in the other end of the WC, man. Get your fill now, cause the king is on the way. Won't be watching that shit like Riiiiiiiiiight. We're all gonna watch it like dickheads. I'll watch when I have to, otherwise it's not happening. I don't buy it, man. I missed loads of games at the back end of last season after throwing in the towel. Working during most of them helps, though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 What 'context' would you like? See the above post. As it's near impossible to separate the individual from the context of his team, role, competition they're playing in, etc I think it's risky business giving too much importance to these numbers when comparing them side by side. Statistical analysis has a role to play in football, but you've got to be comparing like for like otherwise the numbers are meaningless. A great example is comparing Demba Ba's pre-Cisse and post-Cisse scoring records with us. If you remove all context, it looks like Ba's form completely dropped. You need the context of knowing he was being played in a wide position to figure out what's really going on. Another example would be Jozy Altidore's scoring record in Holland. The numbers alone are meaningless without context. You can't compare Messi's all-Barca career to Ronaldo's career looking just at the numbers, which is why I'm focusing on their current talent, attitudes, performances. Actually, those stats were derived in context, the article had a whole segment trying to separate Messi's numbers from the impact Barca has had on his numbers. Not to be a jerk, but try reading it during halftime, I'd be curious what you think afterwards. I'll take a look in a few, see what they came up with. But it'll have to be some work of genius to separate out the fact they've played for completely different clubs at different levels, in different countries for their entire careers. Barcelona and Madrid are in the same country for the time being at least But they are different clubs. There's not a single like-for-like factor in their careers. Guess we can't say Ronaldo is better than Dean Whitehead then. We can, because when you add in the context Ronaldo is a better player. If you look at the technique, fitness, etc it's no contest. Stats only work in apples to apples comparisons. For the rest you have to use your brain. Ronaldo, having won less, scored less, assisted less, looked worse, achieved less internationally and been less critically acclaimed is a better player? Bizarre. Possibly you saw some 'context' in the king that we all missed for so long. That's quite the distortion of my premise. You can't compare two sets of numbers derived in different ways and expect a meaningful result. It's basic science and remains true whether you choose to accept it or not. Messi may well be the "better" (whatever that means, given how subjective it is) player. I said as much. But it's not because numbers say so. Ok, i'm sorry the nasty numbers hurt your feelings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 Rich dun like footy cos gay lol Rich, man. Think of what's waiting in the other end of the WC, man. Get your fill now, cause the king is on the way. Won't be watching that shit like Riiiiiiiiiight. We're all gonna watch it like dickheads. Not me, LIKE. I'm not at all interested. I'm an International guy now. Might get into FC St. Pauli. Vamos Las Palmas or whatever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 Anyway, these cunts have kicked off again. Howay Argentina. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 Rich spent the protest fund on platinum club tickets to the Kings show I bought a sense deprivation chamber to go in when our games are on. Waste of cash. Nothing deprives the senses like King footy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemtizz Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 Rich spent the protest fund on platinum club tickets to the Kings show I bought a sense deprivation chamber to go in when our games are on. Sensory* Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 GTFO Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 Romero Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucaAltieri Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 Pls dead this Ronaldo/Messi thing pls How do you want to define "dead?" What dataset should I take as a benchmark? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Snrub Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 Pls dead this Ronaldo/Messi thing pls For anyone with a clue, it was dead after the group stages of this world cup. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 Clearly Hansen hasn't watched France or Colombia. Both have been pretty impressive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieDazzler Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 Argentina keeper challenging Muller for biggest derp moment of the last 16 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 Pls dead this Ronaldo/Messi thing pls Are they still going on? Fuck you man. 5 pages on what pocket to have your keys in and we can't have a few posts? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 What's wrong with Higuain? Why is he so slow? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 Come on people, stop reminding me that NUFC exists. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 What's wrong with Higuain? Why is he so slow? Bet they wish they brought Tevez now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Away Toon Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 There have been some good games at this World Cup, but plenty of shit ones as well. This one is boring as fuck so far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemtizz Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 Pls dead this Ronaldo/Messi thing pls How do you want to define "dead?" What dataset should I take as a benchmark? There data supports that no one cares about the discussion. Where? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 There have been some good games at this World Cup, but plenty of shit ones as well. This one is boring as fuck so far. Thanks Away Toon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 There have been some good games at this World Cup, but plenty of shit ones as well. This one is boring as fuck so far. Yeah but you're not allowed to talk about anything else or Santoon pisses his nappy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 Inler has been great in this game Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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